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Warren, the Lawmaker of Demacia

Vanic998··5 votes·2,274 views

Warren, the Lawmaker of Demacia

This is an idea of what he should look like. White hair to show age, sword, and wearing Demacian colors: http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/Lutzburg/paladin_mckell_by_smexyheroes-d4ir6wt_zpsxmpklpzj.jpg

Lore: Warren Crownguard, father of Garen and Lux Crownguard, serves as the lawmaker of Demacia. In addition to lawmaking, he also has mastery in magic and physical might as evident in his children’s inherent skills. As a loyal and wise Demacian, Warren was appointed the prestigious role of grand legislature of Demacia by King Jarvan. Warren's wisdom that he has acquired over the years also made him qualified for the job. He has also collected magical artifacts over the years some of which he uses in battle. Warren isnt afraid to use his mastery in magic and might to enforce the laws he makes. The rest of the lore will be added later. Help me out and give me some ideas guys!

Role: Fighter Auto attack Range: Melee 175 (Uses a sword) Secondary Bar: Charge (Abilities have no cost)

Passive: Cape of Nullification: Warren’s near weightless magical cape generates a charge every time Warren uses an ability. At maximum charge (10 charges), the cape glows (As an indicator of the passive just like banshees veil's white circle indicator) and the next enemy champion ability that hits Warren becomes nullified by Warren’s magical cape (Think of the Banshees Veil passive) and consumes all 10 charges. While having at least 5 charges, Warren takes 5% reduced damage.

This passive can stack with item 3102 to nullify up to 2 abilities.

Q: Dauntless Dash: Warren dashes 400 units and gains +25% AD on his next auto attack within 3 secs. If he dodges an enemy skillshot or ground targeted ability with this ability, this ability’s cooldown gets refunded. While Warren is dashing, there will be a linear indicator behind Warren and if an enemy skillshot misses Warren and meets the indicator, then it will count as a dodge. There is no maximum stack. The enhanced auto attack works on turrets.

Cooldown: 12/ 11.25/ 10.5/ 9.75/ 9 secs. Linear indicator range: 400/ 450/ 500/ 550/ 600

W: Lawmaker’s Mark: After a 3 sec delay, Warren casts an AOE circle spell with him at the center dealing magic damage and marking all enemies within the radius for 3.5 secs. When Warren auto attacks an enemy with the mark, the mark is consumed and he deals bonus physical damage and slows them for 2 secs. If his allies auto attack an enemy with the mark, the mark is consumed and the marked target is slowed for 2 secs. Warren can move, use abilities, and auto attack during the channel and the channel cannot be interrupted.

Damage: 40/ 60/ 80/ 100/ 120 (+60% AP). Bonus Physical Damage: 10/ 20/ 30/ 40/ 50 (+5/ 10/ 15/ 20/ 25% AD). Slow: 40/ 42/ 44/ 46/ 48%. Cooldown: 16/ 15/ 14/ 13/ 12 secs. Radius: 400.

E: Rush Head Butt: Warren thrusts his head a short distance, 100 units, to his target and head butts his target (with his magical helmet that prevents recoil damage) dealing magic damage. If Warren head butts within a 60° cone in front of the target's face, the target is stunned. This ability is targeted.

Damage: 60/ 95/ 130/ 165/ 200 (+70% AP). Cooldown: 12/ 11/ 10/ 9/ 8. Stun duration: .75/ 1/ 1.25/ 1.5/ 1.75 secs.

R: Demacian Immunity: Upon activation, Warren gains the following temporarily:

  1. Each of Warren’s auto attacks generates 2 charges of his passive.
  2. Warren gains a shield that absorbs incoming damage. Each ability that hits Warren while the shield is still active generates a charge of Warren's passive.
  3. When this ability's duration is over or when the shield is destroyed (whichever happens first), all debuffs affecting Warren are removed.

Shield Strength: 200/ 300/ 400 (+125% Bonus AD). Duration: 4/ 5/ 6 secs. Cooldown: 100/ 80/ 60 secs.

Useful stats to build:

  1. AD or Hybrid AD/AP
  2. Some attack speed
  3. CDR

Offensive items: item 3142item 3074item 3812 item 3078item 3156item 3006item 3009 and maybe: item 3124item 3146

Defensive items: item 3102item 3053item 3742

Champions that Warren counters: VelkozFioraDariusIllaoi

Playing as Warren: Warren can be played in the midlane where mainly skillshot reliant champions are played (Zed, Vel’Koz, Yasuo, Corki, etc). Assuming you’re going against a skillshot reliant champion, try your best to predict their skillshots so you can dodge with your Q (Kind of like Fiora's W Riposte). Pay close constant attention because if they use a skillshot again, you can reactivate Q and stack the enhanced auto attack bonus. If you accumulated some stacks, try to auto attack your opponent to do some damage or just last hit a minion. By mastering the Q, you can inflict 225% AD on your next auto attack, possibly a one shot, assuming you dodge one skillshot from each enemy with Q.

By using the Q effectively, you should be able to generate some passive charges from Q alone and fill the rest with your other abilities. Try to wait for maximum stacks to engage so your opponent’s first ability that manages to hit you becomes nullified, kind of like Yasuo’s shield passive except for some minor differences.

If you’re using Q effectively, try to use it to reposition yourself in front of and facing your opponent to inflict the stun from the E. The E has a limited angle to land the stun successfully so repositioning yourself is important.

If you’re confident that the Q E will work, try to channel the W before engaging so it can activate when you stun your opponent with E and use your enhanced auto attack to inflict damage and consume the mark from W to deal even more damage and slow them right after the stun.

If you feel that your opponent is strong or you’re in a gank or need to chase or in a team fight, use the ult for the extra tankyness. If used properly, the W and ult can be very useful in teamfights.

Even if your opponent isn’t heavy in AP but very reliant on their abilities, try to build Banshees Veil anyway so you can nullify up to 2 abilities in a teamfight. It's one of those unique item interactions like Morgana and Zhonyas Hourglass.

Warren can also be played top because of his mobility and natural tankyness with his ult. While dueling, Warren's ult can possibly negate certain abilities of Fiora or Darius or any other debuff heavy champion.

Sounds cool? Comment if you can come up with more counters to or by Warren or better items to buy on this champion or more things to add to the lore! I'm looking forward to some comments or critiques or suggestions!

45 Comments

MrXonte3 votes

Garen, the Might of Demacia! Warren, the Lawmaker of Demavia! _ar(r)en, the ______ of Demacia! Names are way too similar, he looks like a an old garen.

Passive: A very nice idea, but the additional attack range at >5 stacks doesnt really fit i think. Why does his cape give him basic attack range? you could give it an effect like increased mr and armor maybe even per stack, but i dont think the attack range fits well.

Q: Very nice idea, but the way you want it to work doesnt have anything to do with dodging. Basicly if the whole enemy team fires at you and misses you complettly you can just dash somewhere and get tons of stacks. I suggest changing it so that it checks your dash path if an enemy skillshot passes through within the next second to then grant you stacks for every ability dodged. This is real dodging at least.

W: Too strong. you get an almost guaranteed 300(+0.6AP)(0.25AD) just from this ability if you have good boots or your dash up. And dont get me started on the slow. Botlane this would be far too strong i think if you sup. Maybe change it so that you have to charge it up for 0.5-1s first then you can reactivate the ability within the next 10 seconds to create the field. This gives your opponent time to run away or interrupt you, but if they dont do that you are even more dangerous. Also targeted is extremly strong. I saw a comment somewhere that the stun isnt targeted so i assume its dash towards the position an opponent was standing when you used the ability then stunning them if you hit them?

E: "prevents recoil damage dealing magic damage" What? also another dash makes his W basicly undodgeable as it is and this ability also has a stun which is pretty easy to pull of. This ability is like a slightly harder to pull of alistar combo only problem being that alistar needs 2 abilities for it.

R: Seems ok except the part with the immunity to true damage. It is irrelevant most of the time since not many champs deal true damage, but anyone who relies on true damage a bit like fiora or vayne can go cry in a corner. Its an unhealthy mechanic since its mostly useless and in matchups when it isnt its far too strong.

Vanic9981 votes

Passive: I slightly changed the passive to something similar to what you said. Q: can you try rephrasing what you said? I don't quite understand it well. Are you saying to not make it refundable but give stacks equal to the number of skill shots dodged during one dash? W: you're completely right. I forgot that I added base damage to the bonus physical damage. I lowered the damages by a lot. I also didn't consider how op he could be as support. E: I didn't mean for it to be huge mobility. I lowered it but I added the units to represent a thrust animation rather than a dash. Btw, when I said prevents recoil, it has nothing to do with gameplay, just a description. it's referring to the damage that the head butter would suffer if he head butted someone. Like Kevin James aka Paul blaart from the mall cop movie once said ,"No one wins with a head butt."

MrXonte1 votes

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Passive: I slightly changed the passive to something similar to what you said. Q: can you try rephrasing what you said? I don't quite understand it well. Are you saying to not make it refundable but give stacks equal to the number of skill shots dodged during one dash? W: you're completely right. I forgot that I added base damage to the bonus physical damage. I lowered the damages by a lot. I also didn't consider how op he could be as support. E: I didn't mean for it to be huge mobility. I lowered it but I added the units to represent a thrust animation rather than a dash. Btw, when I said prevents recoil, it has nothing to do with gameplay, just a description. it's referring to the damage that the head butter would suffer if he head butted someone. Like Kevin James aka Paul blaart from the mall cop movie once said ,"No one wins with a head butt."

Q: The way it works now you dont actually need to dodge anything. If the enemy would have missed you anyway and you dash towards him it still counts as dodging the way you wrote it since it checks an area around you for skillshots. You should change it so that it checks the path of your dash for skillshots and not an area around you. That way it can surely determine if you actually dodged since the enemies skillshot must actually hit either the position you were originally standing or the path you traveled with your dash instead of just a way too huge area around you. About the refund: now that you cleared up how e works i think the refund is a great ability! With another dash in his kit it would have been far too strong, but as it is now the refund mechanic is great!

W: should be much more balanced with the lowered values now!

E: Seems a lot more balanced now. and thanks for clearing the recoil thing up it sounds really confusing like there is some recoil mechanic somewhere in his kit.

R: have you considered what i said? also i looked at "counters" and i have to say no mostly. with your recommended builds he gets torn apart by vel since the true damage immunity wont do him any good against poke damage and getting close to vel is pretty hard even with a dash since he can just e you away. Against fiora yea you will win a trade if you both ult, but overall she is better against you then you against her. Cho has no skillshot and he can just wait for your ult to run out or silence then ult you to ensure you cant block it. Darius yea you can block his ult but he still deals tons of ad damage and can just wait for your ult to run out or save his ult. considering the strengths of both champs you will be forced to ult or he will kill you. Against vayne he sure is good if he manages to get during his ult, but any good vayne player will just knock you away or stun you then your ult is pretty much over. Just because you block true damage doesnt mean you are good against all that use it. The only one you have good chances against is probably well but not because of the true damage immunity, but because he is heavily reliant on skillshots which you can use to your advantage. And i also doubt he can be played mid good. When i read this concept i thought he was top or support, but mid he will get destroyed by most champs, as long as they dont spam skillshots. Sup is probably where i would put him most due to his w and e, but definitly not mid. with a 400 dash most midlaners will still be out of range for anything you got and you dont do much burst but rather sustained damage.

Vanic9981 votes

I have considered what you said about R. I just don't know how to change it yet.

Vanic9981 votes

Doesn't cho have 2 skillshots? His knock up and cone?

MrXonte1 votes

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Doesn't cho have 2 skillshots? His knock up and cone?

his knock up is just selecting an area with no projectile that is shot and his silence is the same. it looks like its firing rapid waves, but thats just the animation its an AoE cone you select. Usually skillshot refers to projectile abilities that are not targeted.

Vanic9981 votes

I looked it up and Cho's Scream is a skillshot. A concical one.

MrXonte1 votes

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I looked it up and Cho's Scream is a skillshot. A concical one.

thing is when you look at conical skillshots you get redirected to the page for direction targeted where skillshot are defined as "The term skillshot is often used to refer to projectile-based direction-targeted abilities" which is what i meant. So that would be topic for debate i guess^^

Vanic9981 votes

I'm really glad you mentioned Illaoi! She has 3 skill shots with her q e and passive and Up to 5 with her ult! I'll add your suggestion to the counter list.

Vanic9981 votes

I figured out a way to change the true damage immunity to something more relevant and unhealthy to his counters. It also makes some of his counters the same!

MrXonte1 votes

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I figured out a way to change the true damage immunity to something more relevant and unhealthy to his counters. It also makes some of his counters the same!

really like the change! much more healthy gameplay overall and great against a variaty of champs! he should now also be fairly strong against illaoi thanks to his dashing

Monkey D Luffy1 votes

Inb4 Garen IS Warren theories

shadowsaotome2 votes

With the headbutt, you state that if your target is facing the same direction as you are it applies the stun; this would mean you're headbutting them in the back to get the stun, since they have to be facing the same direction you are. It would make more sense thematically if they were facing your character to get the stun, since then you could have the animation of Warren slamming his head into his/her face.

Vanic9981 votes

Oops you're right. I meant that if they're facing each other. I'll change that. Thanks a lot.

shadowsaotome1 votes

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Oops you're right. I meant that if they're facing each other. I'll change that. Thanks a lot.

No problem. The concept overall is decent, although he has a lot of magic damage for a guy swinging a sword around. The aforementioned headbutt, for instance, deals magic damage? O.o Also, his ult making him immune to true damage is neat, although oddly specific since most champions don't have access to true damage. However, from a balance perspective it's not OP since Warren doesn't actually have much in the way of defense. His passive and ult are the only defensive abilities he has, along with his Q as a mobility tool. Imo his W and E need some work, they both have good numbers but the feel of the abilities is off. His lore puts him as a master of magic, but nothing he does feels very mage-like, it just has magic damage tacked onto it.

Vanic9981 votes

Yeah it does sound confusing that a head butt does magic damage, but I put it in there for the same reason as why Alistar's headbutt and pulverise does magic damage. I probably should expand on the magic part. The cape and W aoe are the true magic parts to his kit. Remember he's not only good with magic.

shadowsaotome1 votes

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Yeah it does sound confusing that a head butt does magic damage, but I put it in there for the same reason as why Alistar's headbutt does magic damage. I probably should expand on the magic part. The cape and W aoe are the true magic parts to his kit. Remember he's not only good with magic.

My question would be what are you looking to accomplish with this champion? What was your goal? It looks like you're trying to create a hybrid damage fighter, is that the case?

Vanic9981 votes

Yes that is correct.

shadowsaotome1 votes

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Yes that is correct.

Alright, then with that in mind, I'd suggest trying to find ways to utilize that idea without falling into the trap of just making things magic/physical because you need it for the hybrid fantasy. The E headbutt feels that way, that it only does magic damage because this is supposed to be a hybrid damage fighter. I have an idea for it, let me know what you think.

E: Rush Combination Warren dashes forward a short distance and slams his head into his foe, knocking them dizzy for a short time. If this ability hits a target that is facing Warren, he follows up the headbutt with a turning slash of his blade, sending forward a linear blast of magic that knocks the target back.

I don't have numbers, but basically the idea is that the headbutt stuns for a very short duration, like 0.5 secs or something, and if you get a target facing you, then Warren automatically follows up with a magic blast. To me that feels like it encapsulates what a spellblade/magic swordsman would do, combine a physical attack with a magical one in combat.

Vanic9981 votes

I like the second part with the magical slash, but the first part is kind of op. Having a targeted stun is op which is why very few champions have target hard cc. A targeted stun is why people complain about Pantheon and is why pantheon got nerfed. Players are going to think that there's no counter play.

shadowsaotome1 votes

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I like the second part with the magical slash, but the first part is kind of op. Having a targeted stun is op which is why very few champions have target hard cc. A targeted stun is why people complain about Pantheon and is why pantheon got nerfed. Players are going to think that there's no counter play.

It's not targeted, the headbutt comes at the end of the dash. It's not a point-and-click ability, but a linear dash that if your target is still there when you arrive, you headbutt them, dealing damage and applying the stun.

Vanic9981 votes

There's another problem. Then he'll have 2 ways to escape which is not op, but unfun to play against. Having at least 2 escapes is why players complain about Lee Sin and Riven ( I don't main toplane or jungle this is just according to what many other toplaners and junglers complain about them) and riot takes into account about fun or unfun kits.

shadowsaotome1 votes

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There's another problem. Then he'll have 2 ways to escape which is not op, but unfun to play against. Having at least 2 escapes is why players complain about Lee Sin and Riven ( I don't main toplane or jungle this is just according to what many other toplaners and junglers complain about them) and riot takes into account about fun or unfun kits.

You can mitigate its usefulness as an escape with numbers tweaks and other things, but the whole idea behind my revision was just to give an example of having the magic part of Warren's identity come through in his kit without just tacking on magic damage. Looked over the W again, your description of it is a bit confusing: AoE skillshot? The fact that it's an AoE spell, especially one that casts with Warren at the center, means that it is not a skillshot. Anyone standing in range of the spell will get hit by it.

Vanic9981 votes

Oh yeah I should fix the wording on the W.

Rico Nasty2 votes

So this is just a watered down Tryndamere?

Vanic9981 votes

No.

Johnny Scythe2 votes

I like how the kit proves what the Lord was explain that Lux and Garren are the children of Warren. It shows where they inherited their skills from. The way you emphasised the imports range of mastering Q reminds me of how cool it is to master Yasuo's E and gangplank's barrels. I think he could be a support too.

Vanic9982 votes

I think you mean lore not lord lol. Yeah his W could make him a support right? A versatile champion is always good.

Johnny Scythe2 votes

It's cool to have another champion that has a unique interaction with an item. Like Morgana and Zhonyas and yasuo and statick shiv.

FlameHalbrdOkido2 votes

a CD refunable dash on Q a dash on E and a MS buff on R? mobility creep is real

Vanic9981 votes

Excessive mobility is the key ingredient to the L€$ B!GP£@¥$ as evident in Zed, Yasuo, Riven, etc.

FlameHalbrdOkido2 votes

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Excessive mobility is the key ingredient to the L€$ B!GP£@¥$ as evident in Zed, Yasuo, Riven, etc.

Thats the problem, we have too much already, for a guy thats supposed to be a little tank and have CC, he doesnt need that much mobility, it would make him unbalanced. mobility creep is a problem, there is no need to make it worse

Vanic9981 votes

Good thing he lacks good wave clear right? But you're right. I'll change something about the ult.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

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Good thing he lacks good wave clear right? But you're right. I'll change something about the ult.

I also think that E could also just be a Unit targeted cast ability as well b/c you can use Q to get in range for E

Vanic9981 votes

It is. I wrote that in there.

FlameHalbrdOkido1 votes

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It is. I wrote that in there.

JUST be a unit targeted cast, meaning no dash

Vanic9981 votes

I didn't mean for the E to be much mobility. The short dash was just meant to prevent the awkward moment when you think you're in range for an ability but you're not and instead you walk up to your opponent then use it. As a point of reference, this E dash is 50 units less than Illaoi's W and it's a short dash too. Plus it makes more sense that a head butt with the power to stun someone starts with a thrust aka the short dash.

RendDuzit1 votes

Soo Garen but the Alliance?

Vanic9981 votes

What do you mean? I don't understand. I think its auto correct.

theArtifacts1 votes

Perhaps as a law maker he should have a gavel instead of a sword.

Vanic9981 votes

That would be a judge not a lawmaker.

theArtifacts1 votes

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That would be a judge not a lawmaker.

Yes, but this is league and thematically it fits with the concept rather than being a literal interpretation. Besides, Judges pass laws - making them Law Makers.

Vanic9981 votes

Judges don't make laws. That's a completely different branch of government. Judges are in he judicial while lawmakers are in legislative. Judges use the law to make their verdicts and sentences.

theArtifacts1 votes

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Judges don't make laws. That's a completely different branch of government. Judges are in he judicial while lawmakers are in legislative. Judges use the law to make their verdicts and sentences.

Must be a Canadian thing but Judges pass the laws that are put forward. Either way you could argue over stupid shit all day but in the end a Gavel would be a cooler weapon than just another sword.

Vanic9981 votes

Yeah I would like to but this picture has him using a sword. It would look weird if I said he used a gravel and the picture showed a sword. I don't want to change the picture because it's almost perfect. Almost the exact way I imagined him.

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