lee sin nerf idea

Talll·Dec 20, 2014·8 votes·1,385 views

I head a ton about how riot is trying to nerf lee sin without ruining him, and i think i have a good idea even though i might get a ton of hate on this and people saying its a horrible idea but here is my idea on how to nerf lee sin;

Lee is a extremely strong champion no doubt about it, what makes him so strong is is mobility combo'd with his extreme damage he can dish out(that's not all but that's the main stuff). The way i think he could be nerfed was make it so his w is changed to where he dosn't dash to a target. It would be aoe and cause 1 - 2 near bye champions to share half of the shield that lee sin gains. He can cast it again to give himself life steal but not any of the champions that received the shield. I don't do this that often so i'll prob get a ton of hate and people telling me its dumb but it think this is a good idea myself.

16 Comments

Rinky DinkyDec 21, 20142 votes

Or they could just remove the lifesteal + Spellvamp on the second cast.

skrithurzDec 20, 20141 votes

+1 because you tried.

TabsDec 20, 20141 votes

That would be better than what we have now, so goodjob.

NarasimhaDec 20, 20141 votes

Wait, do you mean nerf or buff? I'm honestly trying to put what you said in a different way, but the only thing I can get is that you want to make it free target instead of target based. This would be a HUGE buff, since he could dash around without even having to set up wards.

speedboyDec 20, 20141 votes

No i think he means remove the dash and replace it with an aoe shield.

NarasimhaDec 20, 20143 votes

Ok, that makes much more sense. But then it doesn't really work. Lee is all about the mobility. Thats the one thing he's known for. If anything, hit his base damage but increase his scaling to compensate. So he'll have to actually build damage to do damage.

speedboyDec 20, 20141 votes

read top comment

also, I completely agree, same with XinZhao , am I right?

NarasimhaDec 20, 20141 votes

Actually, XinZhao 's in a good place. Reason being, as strong as he is, he's incredibly predictable. He can't juke or dash around. All he can do is keep charging forward.

WiriusDec 20, 20141 votes

I think the OP meant you remove the dash entirely. Its just a shield aoe centered around where Lee currently is. Am I correct OP?

speedboyDec 20, 20141 votes

Tell me if you disagree, and since so many people hate lee sin this will get a lot of downvotes, but I personally think that lee sin was created to have incredible mobility. But I also think that he may have to much, and there I agree that he needs a nerf. Also, if Rito doesn't nerf his mobility for said reason above, I think they should nerf his ridiculous damage. The amazing mobility + really high damage is REALLY broken.

Spacesuit SpiffDec 20, 20141 votes

It's an idea, but I think that's one of the parts of Lee they should keep. I'd rather get rid of his stealth detection and put more of his power in scaling so he needs to buy some damage.

speedboyDec 20, 20141 votes

Yep

NeidoxDec 20, 20141 votes

Here is the solution, remove the %damage on his Q. His Q Alone has 3 damage procs. The initial cast, the recast, and then the %damage which goes up due to the first 2 casts.

Keon KamoriDec 20, 20141 votes

Agreed. The biggest problem with Lee Sin, and the reason why he bullies out most other picks, is his unmatched early dueling potential. Overall he is too versatile as a champion and that needs to be changed. Its alright for a champion to effectively play two roles but this champ can play almost all of them with relative effectiveness.

However if Riot wants to keep Lee Sin as he is they will need to nerf a lot more than just his q. His ult scales 200% bonus AD, needs nerf. Safeguard needs to not reduce the cooldown by half when used to dash to allies. Tempest needs to deal physical damage or scale with AP, or if it does scale with AD not another 100% bonus AD ratio. If that doesn't happen then Lee Sin will need a rework to some degree.

In short Lee Sin is broken that we all agree about. However it will be a while before Riot can come up with a fix that will balance him without making him unpick. There is a lot wrong with him balance wise both in numbers and in utility of his kit. The combination of high damage, and high utility, and high mobility, and an execute is hard to balance. If it were as easy as removing the execute from his Q it would have been done already.

PhaltiDec 22, 20141 votes

I honestly believe in scrapping the idea hes an early game champ. Give him more Ratios and lower his base damage. Lee uses his mobility and early game to negate the face he has no late game. Make players have to make much better choices early game and make him scale better. They need to stop trying to make him an early game champ with his kit. They don't need to change his kit, just rework how it works.