My only problem w. ith Riot right now

BADxW0LF·Nov 22, 2014·8 votes·1,513 views

I feel that whenever someone on the boards makes a very valid statement against something that Riot does and provides situational responses (like those flaws in LeaverBuster), they cease contact with that person immediately. I feel that Riot should acknowledge the fact that someone outside of the PBE has discovered a flaw and make some attempt to correct it, while also voicing that they are going to fix it rather than completely leaving that comment. People just sit and wait after a Rioter has commented and they have commented back. Don't just dismiss it, please.

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DaenNov 25, 20142 votes

And 254 people is a lot, it's at least a good sample size considering that not all of them are on the same NA server.

From a statistics standpoint, 254 is a laughably tiny sample unless it's properly stratified. Assuming a community of 70 million unique users, 254 people is something like 0.000003% of the population.

I never said it was perfect.

From an earlier post by Joey Montague: It's been almost a week, we're not seeing the whole pbase being banned - so what does that mean? It's working perfectly.

Hmm.

If you've never been LeaverBuster'd despite all of the server hiccups, "LoL client errors", and DDOS attacks. THEN HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THE OP?

Mostly because the OP's root complaint is that Riot is avoiding open dialogue with community members that bring legitimate complaints to their attention. I won't say whether or not I disagree, but LeaverBuster isn't even the main point of this thread.

As far as LeaverBuster is concerned? I agree. I'm interested to see what happens with the new system, and I have no fear I'll ever be caught by it because I so rarely have performance problems. As Lyte has mentioned, it's unlikely players will be punished by the new system if they were never flagged by LeaverBuster.

BallisticMouseNov 22, 20141 votes

If Riot does continue contact after a situation like this they always seem to switch over to word-for-word automated responses.

Hyrum GraffNov 22, 20141 votes

Could you point me to examples of this?

Joey MontagueNov 25, 20141 votes

I feel that whenever someone on the boards makes a very valid statement against something that Riot does and provides situational responses (like those flaws in LeaverBuster), they cease contact with that person immediately. I feel that Riot should acknowledge the fact that someone outside of the PBE has discovered a flaw and make some attempt to correct it, while also voicing that they are going to fix it rather than completely leaving that comment. People just sit and wait after a Rioter has commented and they have commented back. Don't just dismiss it, please.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with LeaverBuster.

BADxW0LFNov 25, 20141 votes

Can't tell if sarcasm...or blind to the fact that there are so many holes in it that they need to work out and refuse to communicate to its players...or Rioter under non riot account vouching for the company.

Joey MontagueNov 25, 20141 votes

Can't tell if sarcasm...or blind to the fact that there are so many holes in it that they need to work out and refuse to communicate to its players...or Rioter under non riot account vouching for the company.

Except that LeaverBuster was tested by actual players, and not just 1 or 2, like dozens.

It's been almost a week, we're not seeing the whole pbase being banned - so what does that mean? It's working perfectly.

People on my FL aren't complaining about having been flagged and punished with long queue times, and I'm sure at least most of them have DC'd at least once by now... sooooooo yeah....... I dunno brah, maybe you should stop thinking you know more than Riot about LeaverBuster just because you /read how it works/. Did you get banned? No? Okay then.

And pls pls don't be fooled by people who are posting that they got busted by LB. You and I both know it's because they kept playing with internet issues or sub-par hardware. They'll just blame Riot because they're kids.

Tamamo No MaeNov 25, 20142 votes

I have to poke holes in this simply because of it's poor assumption of the player base. If you have ever done anything in computer science, like anything at all you will understand every program has flaws, some are minor and few in between as to not have any effect on the system but I assure you they do exist.

Just because you or your "friends" do not have problems with X, doesn't mean that X is the answer to Y. For anything to be a generally accepted answer or opinion it must have validation from more than just you and your buddies.

Riot like any other company, person, object, matter, and atom do make mistakes, and they make them quite a bit. If they did know better then there shouldn't be several pages of patch notes that revert changes or re-balance champions because your statement seems to give the idea that they're all perfect and all knowing.

I have a terminally ill mother, a full time job, and I go to school. At night she may need help or fall and I'll need to abandon game to help it has happened before. I'm not a child, and I'm willing to bet I have a better rig than you simply because I take pride in my hobby. Assuming everyone is "kids" to make your point sound valid is pretty baseless and thoughtless to anyone capable of thinking on a broader scope.

OP's opinion is just as valid as yours is. You have no right to undermine his expression or opinion simply because your own are contradictory.

Joey MontagueNov 25, 20141 votes

I have to poke holes in this simply because of it's poor assumption of the player base. If you have ever done anything in computer science, like anything at all you will understand every program has flaws, some are minor and few in between as to not have any effect on the system but I assure you they do exist.

Just because you or your "friends" do not have problems with X, doesn't mean that X is the answer to Y. For anything to be a generally accepted answer or opinion it must have validation from more than just you and your buddies.

Riot like any other company, person, object, matter, and atom do make mistakes, and they make them quite a bit. If they did know better then there shouldn't be several pages of patch notes that revert changes or re-balance champions because your statement seems to give the idea that they're all perfect and all knowing.

I have a terminally ill mother, a full time job, and I go to school. At night she may need help or fall and I'll need to abandon game to help it has happened before. I'm not a child, and I'm willing to bet I have a better rig than you simply because I take pride in my hobby. Assuming everyone is "kids" to make your point sound valid is pretty baseless and thoughtless to anyone capable of thinking on a broader scope.

OP's opinion is just as valid as yours is. You have no right to undermine his expression or opinion simply because your own are contradictory.

Yes Riot makes mistakes, that's why LeaverBuster doesn't bust people /for those mistakes/ (like server-side lag etc.) I said that in my post. And 254 people is a lot, it's at least a good sample size considering that not all of them are on the same NA server.

I've coded before. So I know most of the time bugs can't really be detected until the actual running of the program. LoL is the same - I never said it was perfect. It's a good thing Riot doesn't penalize people for the client/server errors then? I have no idea how your post refutes this.

You're proving my point. You have a better "rig" than me? Did you ever get LeaverBuster'd for Riot's own hardware/software issues? If you can't even say yes, then why would you post the largest hypocritical response, ever? If you've never been LeaverBuster'd despite all of the server hiccups, "LoL client errors", and DDOS attacks. THEN HOW CAN YOU DEFEND THE OP?

Seriously, just because you feel bad for people, doesn't mean that you can deny hard evidence just because it's the "bleeding heart thing to do."

BADxW0LFNov 25, 20141 votes

Considering last night, I got disconnected from the game not because of my internet or computer and then got the whole "I agree to not leave a game" pop up even after I was only disconnected for less than 5 minutes (had already been going for a good 25 minutes and I was in that whole time) and came back to game still in progress and we won. That shouldn't happen. If you are in game for a majority of the game and your team wins, I feel that LeaverBuster should do nothing. I'm sure someone whose team is winning wouldn't DC on purpose. So they should not be punished.

Also, I think it's bullshit that the system/company doesn't take into consideration that not everybody can afford a decent computer. I have a friend who just graduated college who has had his computer for a while. Doesn't really have the money for a new computer because glory to the student loans. So he's kind of stuck with the old computer he's got that has a bad battery that won't hold a charge. It's slow as fuck (I've used it and never will again) but still runs league decently, but sometimes it lags like crazy and DCs him. So, because he is unable to afford a new computer and is playing a FREE game, he should be punished by this flawed system?

Joey MontagueNov 25, 20141 votes

It's slow as fuck (I've used it and never will again) but still runs league decently, but sometimes it lags like crazy and DCs him. So, because he is unable to afford a new computer and is playing a FREE game, he should be punished by this flawed system?

Why don't you read what you wrote and understand how selfish it is. It's a FREE game, so you think it's ok for him to be an ****** and afk/leave for long periods of time and ruin the game for the 4 people with better PCs? Dude it's not a solo game, it's a team game, and an eSport - have some consideration wow.

There are lots of things I want to do after college, like buy a mansion and play golf in my own private 8-hole course on my property ground. Should I write a letter to the mayor and say: "HEY I WANT TO PLAY! BUT I GOTTA PAY MY STUDENT LOANS AND CAN'T AFFORD THE GOLF COURSE! GIVE ME! GIVE ME! GIVE ME!"

Considering last night, I got disconnected from the game not because of my internet or computer and then got the whole "I agree to not leave a game" pop up even after I was only disconnected for less than 5 minutes

It was probably your internet/computer that made you DC and you just don't want to admit it. Did anyone else on your team DC? DId the other team DC? If not, then how can you blame anyone other than yourself. Fyi, you're all on the same server. j/s.

DaenNov 25, 20141 votes

It's been almost a week, we're not seeing the whole pbase being banned - so what does that mean? It's working perfectly.

This line of logic is like me saying the following:

"It has been a week and no one in my office has been murdered - clearly there is no murder in the world and thus perfection."

You're pulling a conclusion from completely inconclusive data, and stating it's perfect, no less. Just because the entire player base isn't banned doesn't mean the system is working perfectly, let alone as intended. I'm not saying I have any idea what the level of success is, but I can guarantee it's not perfect.

KingAhabNov 27, 20141 votes

I think this is 100% true i made a huge reply to riot supp they told me to put in boards i did and it has never been seen once even when i asked them to look at it they ignore me.