Let this be the thread where we all gather and complain about the boards

warwiller·Mar 24, 2015·1 votes·636 views

Remember the pristine, white, almost beautiful forum we had? Remember?!!!! Who was stupid enough to make the decision, on behalf of the ppl who actually use the forum ofc, to have this instead? I would like to see this person's face, preferrably while he was making the decision. No, actually, I would like to study his mind. In fact, it's such a recklessly tasteless decision that I have doubts one person could be stupid enough to make it. It must be a result of social conformity, or whatever. Whats worse: the reason we have this stupid mess of a forum, I hear, is because apparently riot's forum police weren't making our lives miserable enough. Because everyone knows in order to have a forum one must make everyone's life miserable by deleting any thread with an ounce of genuine humour, because thats the only way everyone can be happy.

It's because of idiocy like this that we have this rubbish forum to deal with.

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JamareeMar 24, 20152 votes

The irony of this post is kind of funny actually.

SEKAIMar 24, 20151 votes

The board should have pages, it's a pain if you wanna read old threads.

The Discussion view needs to sort out the issue where a giant discussion always turn into a colossal orgy.

We need the ability to attach more than 1 picture per post if you're not simply pasting a pic url, also one should be able to attach picture through editing his already published post.

And there is also that issue if you're using the chronological view just like the old forum, it turns out pretty awful to read for those who uses the default view format. And ofc vice versa. Better transition between the 2 views is required.

DaenMar 24, 20151 votes

So.

Let this be the thread where we all gather and complain about the boards

This entire board is where we all seem to gather and complain about the boards. :P

I have doubts one person could be stupid enough to make it.

I seriously doubt the forum switch was a single person's decision.

the reason we have this stupid mess of a forum, I hear, is because apparently riot's forum police weren't making our lives miserable enough before. Because everyone knows in order to have a forum one must make everyone's life miserable by deleting any thread with an ounce of genuine humour, because thats the only way everyone can be happy.

The reason we have this forum is primarily that the old forum couldn't properly scale with the size of the community. Bringing back the old platform is not an option, so trying to force that to happen will accomplish absolutely nothing.

As for the moderation, I both agree and disagree. The moderation is generally accurate so it's not oppression like you seem to think, but it's also pretty inadequate since the only way it addresses content is by permanently deleting it and telling the player "hey you screwed up, don't do it again".

Honestly? I'm a bit frustrated with the Boards team. It has been months since the last update, and there are still core features we really should have had from the start that are still missing. Here are some examples:

Search functionality is almost completely broken
Board differentiation is not logical in some scenarios
Multiple formatting options have been disabled
The platform functions poorly on some mobile devices
Discussion and Chronological views have very little parity

The list goes on. I'm not saying I'm mad at Riot or anything, but it's a little saddening that their main communication platform is either not a priority or is this difficult to work on.

warwillerMar 25, 20151 votes

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This entire board is where we all seem to gather and complain about the boards. :P

MMMMMMMMMM.... NO IT ISNT!!!!

I seriously doubt the forum switch was a single person's decision.

Yeah, me too. But then, you can never be sure; I've seen people to absurdly stupid stuff.

the old forum couldn't properly scale with the size of the community.

What?

As for the moderation, I both agree and disagree. The moderation is generally accurate so it's not oppression like you seem to think, but it's also pretty inadequate since the only way it addresses content is by permanently deleting it and telling the player "hey you screwed up, don't do it again".

If really were accurate it wouldn't be inadequate, don't you think?

Honestly? I'm a bit frustrated with the Boards team. It has been months since the last update, and there are still core features we really should have had from the start that are still missing. Here are some examples:

Search functionality is almost completely broken

Board differentiation is not logical in some scenarios

Multiple formatting options have been disabled

The platform functions poorly on some mobile devices

Discussion and Chronological views have very little parity

The list goes on. I'm not saying I'm mad at Riot or anything, but it's a little saddening that their main communication platform is either not a priority or is this difficult to work on.

What you're saying is the board is a a confusing, warped pile of rubbish that's designed, either intentionally or unintentionally, to demolish the lifespan of all threads thus eliminating the average person's role in contributing to it, especially in the long term. Yeah, I agree.

DaenMar 25, 20151 votes

MMMMMMMMMM.... NO IT ISNT!!!!

Effective dialogue.

Yeah, me too. But then, you can never be sure; I've seen people to absurdly stupid stuff.

Oh I'm not saying it wasn't a bad decision (it was), I just don't think it was made by a single person.

What?

vBulletin, to my knowledge, is not meant to facilitate massive communities and somewhat custom features; the Boards platform was designed from the ground up to allow this sort of thing.

If really were accurate it wouldn't be inadequate, don't you think?

Did you read my response here? It's accurate in that it generally addresses the right content, but it's inadequate because the method by which moderation addresses that content is terrible for the users.

What you're saying is the board is a a confusing, warped pile of rubbish that's designed, either intentionally or unintentionally, to demolish the lifespan of all threads thus eliminating the average person's role in contributing to it, especially in the long term. Yeah, I agree.

What I'm saying is that the Boards has immense potential, but the lack of effective change and improvement is crippling both the community and the platform.

warwillerMar 25, 20151 votes

** Dean**

Effective dialogue.

What else am I supposed to say? Look around you? Do you live in a parallel universe? "It isn't"?

I think mine was best.

Oh I'm not saying it wasn't a bad decision (it was), I just don't think it was made by a single person.

I am not sure how u understood that; it was jk.

vBulletin, to my knowledge, is not meant to facilitate massive communities and somewhat custom features; the Boards platform was designed from the ground up to allow this sort of thing.

As far as I knew, vBulletin did it just fine even if wasn't meant to. Do you know of any technical problem with the old forum?

Did you read my response here? It's accurate in that it generally addresses the right content, but it's inadequate because the method by which moderation addresses that content is terrible for the users.

Well, okay, for me "accurate", used in that context, is synonymic to "perfect". But anyway, you said something like "they're forum penalty method isn't good". Yeah, anyone who's been banned knows they're idiots. But there's also the fact that the forum rules are too vague, and full of stuff like "disruptive behvaior", for it to be possible to accurately apply them, unless you ban everyone just in case. And given how annoying, offensive and dictating the forum police can be, that's all the encouragement they need to ban anyone who's doing anything which overstep their definition of "disruptive". Plus, they never tell you that the bans they give are actually a warning for a permaban. Idiots.

What I'm saying is that the Boards has immense potential, but the lack of effective change and improvement is crippling both the community and the platform.

You do notice don't you that Riot is in the habit of not doing anything to its forums? Apart from the once-in-a-century conversion to a new platform? And so, you have a good idea how great the chances are they're actively concerned about unlocking the board's immense potential? So why not just say the boards are rubbish instead of complicating everything? :P

DaenMar 25, 20151 votes

As far as I knew, vBulletin did it just fine even if wasn't meant to. Do you know of any technical problem with the old forum?

As far as I'm aware, every tiny change Riot had to do to the old forum (e.g. avatars) required a ridiculous amount of work because it just wasn't designed to facilitate it. This platform was designed to be much more scalable, but I'm kind of skeptical now seeing as it has been around six months since the last update.

Well, okay, for me "accurate", used in that context, is synonymic to "perfect"

Not to be pedantic, but when doing systems analysis those concepts are very different. Accuracy specifically refers to the system's ability to perform the job, whereas a perfect social system would simultaneously be accurate and feel good to use.

Boards moderation fails miserably at the "feels good to use" part.

But there's also the fact that the forum rules are too vague, and full of stuff like "disruptive behvaior", for it to be possible to accurately apply them, unless you ban everyone just in case. And given how annoying, offensive and dictating the forum police can be, that's all the encouragement they need to ban anyone who's doing anything which overstep their definition of "disruptive".

I agree that the rules are pretty vague, though I disagree with a lot of the other claims you made here. Potato potato, I guess.

You do notice don't you that Riot is in the habit of not doing anything to its forums?

Yes, unfortunately. It's really frustrating to me that this forum is apparently either not worth their time or extraordinarily complex to work on, neither of which should be the case. Forums are supposed to be easy to maintain from a coding perspective when set up properly, and there should be people actually engaging with the community about it. Drives me crazy.

And so, you have a good idea how great the chances are they're actively concerned about unlocking the board's immense potential?

I think Riot is concerned about unlocking the potential, but I have no idea why it doesn't happen. As with above, drives me crazy.

So why not just say the boards are rubbish instead of complicating everything? :P

Nothing is as simple as black and white, especially not a platform intended to facilitate a social experience; it's a lot more complicated than most people realize. I also don't think the Boards is rubbish, but I'm very concerned with the extremely slow pace of development and NA's adamant stance against ever having Community Managers.

A lot about this platform is done really well, but a lot is done very poorly or not at all. cough cough **Community Engagement **cough cough

warwillerMar 25, 20151 votes

Just say it: the boards is rubbish. It can't do you any harm :d

warwillerMar 28, 20151 votes

warwillerApr 17, 20151 votes

Also we need to remove boards and being back old forum 'coz boards just looks incredibly stupid