First game on League in over a week. I enter a League match and ban Aurelion Sol, despite a player wanting him. Sorry, I don't want a champion released today to be in my ranked matches. Not a second later, two players on my team begin calling me retarded, autistic, and they steal my role and then intentionally feed. I don't see that happen in SMITE tho (of course it was the mid-laner and adc being toxic too)
Strawberrycocoa15 votesTrust me, with behavior like that, if you had let them have Sol, they would have tilted and thrown the match over something else anyway.
Mister Modesty1 votes[deleted]
Strawberrycocoa14 votesA player, ANY player, who responds to not getting the champion they wish with with the behavior described above is basically going to flip out at any provocation. It's a matter of when they tilt and throw a tantrum, not if
Mister Modesty2 votesAny player who out-right bans a champion a team-mate wants to play is a scumbag. Where I come from we call people like that scum- it is fact here. People who act in a way that hinders someone else and provides no benefit for anybody but themselves are scumbags. And banning a champion an ally wants makes you a scumbag.
He really had nothing to lose by letting the guy play the champ, except some minor damage to his ego. Because that's all it is. He used a ban- a key tactic in counter-play just to prevent an ally from doing what makes them comfortable.
SCUM BAG. Seriously- that ban could have been used to help secure his pick as Aurelion. Well- who counters Aurelion, I should ban THAT champion. <That is the appropriate mentality. If you don't get this- you are the problem with this community. I suggest you reflect- make the game fun for everyone. And this doesnt mean "eww we dont want Aurelion on our team.." What are you in the 1st grade? Grow up and work with it.
Drackolus10 votesThank you for exemplifying the kind of behavior a toxic player like the two mentioned in the post likely displayed. The idea of somebody banning a champion in a ranked match that nobody has enough experience to play - a stance that, whether or not you disagree with, has some logic to it and deserves rational discussion - caused you to fly off the handle and start insulting everyone.
What are you in the 1st grade?
Mister Modesty1 votes"Deserves rational discussion" Go the fuck away with your double-edged stances.
Mcprowlington7 votesGo the fuck away with your double-edged stances.
what does this even mean
this is hilarious
Duke Anax1 votesand proves the poin exceptionally too.
Mister Modesty1 votesThere's no rational discussion before they ban the champ. So your premise of "Rational discussion" already flew out the window when you agreed banning the champ was alright. Now you want to justify that stance by digging through the garbage for a reason you threw out from the start?
It's double-edged. You apply it when it's convenient.
DrCyanide3 votesI rationally told my teammates that there was a bug with Sol being visible to the enemy team when he shouldn't be before banning him in Ranked. I was last ban on our team, I started it as soon as my teammate hovered them. I received a similar outburst as the OP.
Rational people don't freak out when their intended champion is banned. It's a minor setback, it's not something to get upset about.
Mister Modesty1 votesI'm not talking about you- I'm speaking generally about this specific post. This guy had no idea Sol had a bug- he hadn't played in over a week. His reason was "I don't want new champs der der der I'm the star of the show" And All of that belongs in quotes because I have an amazing ability to read personalities.
Mcprowlington2 votesIt's double-edged. You apply it when it's convenient.
I don't think that's what that expression is supposed to mean.
"I don't want new champs der der der I'm the star of the show"
I don't get it.
Why is the person who wants his team to win self -centered but the person who wants to play a new champ at the expense of that team not?
Drackolus1 votes[{quoted}](name=Son of Kolrath,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zplzbyXM,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-03-25T19:27:15.171+0000)
There's no rational discussion before they ban the champ. So your premise of "Rational discussion" already flew out the window when you agreed banning the champ was alright. Now you want to justify that stance by digging through the garbage for a reason you threw out from the start?
It's double-edged. You apply it when it's convenient.
If you'd actually read my post (or at least, understood it), you'd see that the topic that "deserves rational discussion" was the general stance of banning champions in ranked shortly after release, and not the specific discussion held in that particular match.
But you aren't looking to understand what people are saying. You're just mad and trying to upset other people because you hold the commonly-held belief that you can "let out" anger and it will go away, when in fact what happens is you reinforce the anger by acting upon it and just make yourself more angry. Which, to be fair, could be more blamed on society than yourself, because almost everyone thinks that anger works that way, despite clear scientific evidence suggesting otherwise. Ah, culture.
Rickon Stark1 votesRaging over a ban makes you the one in first game, sorry. Anyways, the champion-- released that same day-- had a high chance of having bugs. And he did! Being visible to the enemy team no matter where you are is one to name. Additionally, nobody has enough experience to test out Sol in ranked.
RageLessPlayMore1 votes[deleted]
Strawberrycocoa1 votesSome people only play a handful of characters, others simply can't handle being told "no".
Which, to be fair, is something I sometimes really dislike about this game: a "social obligation" to pick who works for the team when sometimes I just feel like doing X. But really if you play the Do What I Want game and don't acknowledge other people's right to also play (or ban!) who they wish, that's just hypocrisy.
Duke Anax1 votesAnd even when you pick someone who works for the team they can flip out if it's something off.
I picked Nasus support into a Kalista, because with his free exhaust he shuts her down completely.
All I got was. "muh he doesn't, lol Support Nasus useless, no stacks no damage"
First he refused to leave base then he was running laps in the Jungle, when i finally died in a duell Kalista he shouted "See? SEE?"
CuteGuy6pack11 votesHonestly, I don't blame you. I've done this before, sometimes I ban yasuo away from teammates too when I look them up and they have a 34% winrate and a ton of deaths constantly. It's your ban you can do what you want with it imo.
Mister Modesty2 votes[deleted]
Strawberrycocoa6 votesI think YOU need the therapist if you're getting this worked up over someone banning a champion they don't wish to risk dealing with.
Mister Modesty1 votesThe fact that you don't understand what you're doing is wrong disgusts me. What if someone raped your mother like it wasn't a problem? A visual.
The behavior your advocating doesn't help anyone but yourself. And, quite frankly, there's a 67% chance you don't deserve a ban choice considering your low position in champ select. You're just one of those scrubs who thinks it's "your ban". And you use this new-found justification to flat-out destroy your ally's intended gameplay to satisfy some selfish idea of what you want your game to be like.
Allies are not your opponents- don't play against them. Do you not know how games work?
Strawberrycocoa11 votesCompares the rape of my mother to having a video game character banned...
Calls me disgusting after doing that...
BWA HA HA HA HA HA oh shit. Wow. Way to be part of the problem, buddy.
Mister Modesty1 votes[deleted]
Strawberrycocoa4 votesThere is no logical reply to your argument, it's based on emotive non-objective assumptions.
Read your thesaurus before quoting it.
Mister Modesty1 votesThus always the ignoramus. I have an education, my words come from my mind.
"There is no logical reply" Blatantly wrong- there is. You're just too ignorant to form one.
"It's based on emotive non-objective assumptions." Winrate isn't objective. It's subjective to many other factors. Have you ever correlated how many times the guy was first pick? And thus his counter picks- and not getting a ban choice.
You're literally too stupid to try to make a conclusion on how somebody will perform with a champion. This is not an insult. I am literally that stupid. You would need to do meticulous number crunching, and have to know how relevant what numbers are.
So- no. Banning a champion that an ally wants is just the product of an inflated ego granted by the "authprity" to ban. It's abusing the system. The ban is meant to keep enemies from using champions that will interfere with your team. Champion select is about picking champions that work well together. And bans are almost always un-discussed. More than 90% of the games I'm in people ban whoever they want. So- if you want to be objective. Then there's objective proof that banning your ally's champion is trolling.
Strawberrycocoa1 votesYou have done nothing, at all, in any way, to "prove" any sort of thing about inflated egos, except that you yourself possess one. You're also a condescending jackass who vastly overestimates their intellect. FYI.
Banning a newly released champion, on whom there is no reasonable expectation that your ally will be proficient and knowledgeable in how to use them, is perfectly sensible. There's no ego, or "abuse" inherent in the decision.
I'm no longer going to be replying to this conversation, because you're the kind of person who talks down to everyone for being "stupid" when in truth they merely disagree with you. There is no "intelligent" conversation to be had, here, only biased and angry presumptuous rants.
Take care, have fun, and feed Nashor.
DREADN0UGHT1 votesYou seem angry.
Daen2 votes[{quoted}](name=Son of Kolrath,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zplzbyXM,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-03-25T04:10:54.551+0000)
Get your upvotes from the uneducated masses. I'm in your head little person. You're deflecting because you can't construct a logical reply to the actual argument. Pathetic. Worthless. Grab a book and UNINSTALL. Seriously- you're in dire need of some mental exercise. I can hear your cortex panting.
As someone who is educated, I can safely say that Strawberrycocoa's points on this thread are entirely correct.
In regards to the main point here, banning a champion your ally wants to play, to an extent I agree. I think it's a relative dick move to ban a champion simply because someone else wants it, but at the same time I totally understand wanting to ban a new champion until people have actually had enough time to learn it.
You brought up the argument of comfort, as per the following quote:
He really had nothing to lose by letting the guy play the champ, except some minor damage to his ego. Because that's all it is. He used a ban- a key tactic in counter-play just to prevent an ally from doing what makes them comfortable.
I may be in the minority here, but I really don't think that it's even feasible to consider your average player comfortable with a just-released champion, especially compared to established choices. I view playing a newly released champion in ranked as being disrespectful to teammates in its own right, since the player has usually not spent enough time learning the champion to the same level as others.
No flash no life4 votesWhile it's not nice of you to not talk it out before you make the final decision, it's just another issue players have to resolve between themselves. Their ways of retaliation, on the other hand, isn't acceptable. Report and move on.
In terms of outcome of the game tho, I'd say all of you are to blame. You have your reason to lose faith in new champ's performance in ranked due to ppl's lack of understanding and familiarity with it and I agree with you, but a good approach would be something like explaining your reason and reaching a point of compromise between both sides. Even if those ppl didn't retaliate the way they did, it's still going to leave negative impact and cause discord among the team.
Maybe it's because I haven't suffered as much as you did, I'd give ppl benefit of the doubt and let them do w/e. I mean, faker walked into a tournement when he played reworked gankplank for the first time, fired his Q at his 1st E barrel (next to him) followed by placing 2nd E barrel (next to his opponent) after the shot, hoping to trigger 2 explosions, and casters laughed about it. He still stomped that game.
Straw Hat Loki1 votesMind linking me the game or letting me know which game it was and I can look it up? Thanks!
No flash no life2 votesMind linking me the game or letting me know which game it was and I can look it up? Thanks!
I wish I can but I don't remember which it was, not even who they were playing against. If I can remember the date then I can still search for it, but all I remember is it was from last year :<
I'll ask around, some ppl watched it with me and they might remember, and I'll get back to you if I find it.
Straw Hat Loki1 votesNo problem! Thanks for replying!
I'll see if I can dig it up myself as well. If I manage that, I will message you as well.
Cyndercat3 votesMy personal take on it is generally its a dick move to ban someones pick intent, HOWEVER new champ release is the only time I would say go ahead and ban it all you want regardless of whether your team-mate wants to play it.
Even if they can play it to perfection it doesnt mean the 4 other people on their team have a clue about what the champion does and how it works. How can they be expected to play as a team with an ally they know nothing about. They cant follow up on engages they cant anticipate or might overestimate sols ability and get aced. They might even not know the basic skills sol has on day 1. This goes doubly true if the enemy is first pick and also doesnt ban as they will more than likely first pick it away anyway.
You always have the right to choose a champion YOU want to play but you do have to consider your teammates too. Picking something that will just throw off your entire team synergy because its new and shiny isnt really fair and justifies banning the champ imo.
DQO072 votesBanning in ranked is fine, but its banned in normals all the time as well, and its just dumb. If people wont let you play the new champions, why even release them? Its a huge issue where people are just like "new champ, lets ban it purely because people want to play it". I've queued up for probably 20 normals where its banned every single time, and its frustrating cause i just wanna try him out, and going to blind and autolocking just pisses people off, so please bring back teambuilder so we dont have to wait a week to play a new champion.
DJColdCutz2 votesYea, we should only ban champions that no one wants to play. One point of a ban is to screw over someone's plans and put them on a champion they weren't planning on playing. "let's ban it purely because people want to play it" is smart.
Mister Modesty1 votesPeople are self-entitled pricks with a complex that drives them to see others fail in order for them to feel good about themselves. They ban your champion, that way they can blame you when they make bad plays. I've just gone on a reporting binge. I'm tired of this abrasive childish community.
DJColdCutz1 votesIf you don't want your champion banned, don't reveal it or play normals. It's not childish to ban a champion. If we're supposed to let everyone get the champion they want to play, why even bother with bans?
Mister Modesty1 votesYeah downvote without reply. Siv, Warwick, and Zak. You really are that scrub who thinks they can carry the team.
DJColdCutz1 votesLol your Sol scores are top tier. Thanks for showing me that I'm justified in banning it away from teammates and opponents alike.[slayer-jinx-wink] [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
LITTLE TlMO2 votesif you ban my champ, you are getting trolled. period.
if you are afraid then dodge but if you ban someone's pick it is not going to go well 9 times out of 10
Rickon Stark1 votesSomeone's definitely in Bronze.
LITTLE TlMO2 votesyeah. you. bronze 5 in fact hahaha
with 40% winrate!!!! hahahahaha
Rickon Stark2 votesAt least I don't troll my team and rage.
Anomander2 votesYour ban is your own. I have banned "OP" champs from my teammates when they are not first pick. However keep in mind that this will make your teammate very salty and prolly cost you the game.
Reaper Review2 votesNo matter how intelligent you try to be, throwing insults into it just devalues the entire thing. Making yourself look childish and/or petty is counter-productive to your intent, is it not?
This goes for a lot of people who try to present arguments, or even just singular points, on this board.
Mister Modesty1 votesI just had a game where someone banned Sol after I 'requested' him. I reported the player after my match. He said "You'll thank me when I carry you"- but he didn't thank me when I was the only one who ended with an S- or higher.
Banning Sol right when he comes out is toxic. People can't even have a chance to try a new champion without some self-entitled worm whining about losing the game. No- you lose games because you pick fights with your team mates you fucking loser. Who does that? Counter-picking an ally's choice is griefing the team. Or assisting the enemy team. Enjoy your bans, that's all I have to say.
Nik Nikerson6 votesWhat game was that? Cause I can't find any games in the past 24 hours where you even came close to an S.
If you want to try out the new champ, do it in norms. Ranked games aren't the place for it. You should be playing the champ that gives your team the best shot of winning. There's just almost no chance that you have enough practice on a champ that has been out for 12 hours for that to be the champ you're going to be best on, unless you've been playing on the PBE. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do banning someone away from your team, but I get it.
Mister Modesty1 votesHeimerdinger support. I got an S-
Mister Modesty1 votesExplain to me why he was available then. If you can't play a new champion in Ranked, why are you able to pick that champion? Hmmm??? And the only reason you shouldn't is because the Riot trolls sabotaged his kit by making him visible to your enemies. I'm very good with Aurelion Sol. He is too straight-forward to not understand. Cast E- Cast Q- Use Ghost- Drive a large cosmic hole into your enemies for a stun. Ult. W. AA. Another Q. Build Ryleis for his Passive. Build AP, Rod of Ages is good Meta AP Mid item. For shits and giggles- Frozen Heart or Randuin's if you need the armor. This will make it so enemies are slowed by orbs and if they get inside the orbs they're still under CC. And you Ult them back away from you, use w, recast if they get close, retreat with the stun, and let W do more magic.
Aurelion is really fun and easy to play. Well- his Q mechanic might be weird for some considering it goes off on proximity. But You can cast E, and immediate cast Q to build the stun, once your flight is over- use ghost if you want to keep it going. But you just have to be away when you cast it. Having W active makes it easier, because it creates a good indicator when you should back off.
Don't tell me idk Aurelion just because you refused to research him yourself. I actually spent a lot of time considering this champion. I spent much time in my head going over his kit, and combos within the kit. Quite frankly- my knowledge of Aurelion puts me at an advantage over my foes- who have no idea how to counter me until they've seen enough of my gameplay- which is always post-ult. Now- Aurelion is still a champ and should be picked like any champ. So if you see a Yas or Zed on the enemy team- Aurelion might be a bad choice. But just because he's new doesn't mean he's a bad choice. It could make it an excellent choice. It's a coin. The enemies are just as new to him as you.
StigtriX1 votesHere is the logic behind banning a new champion (at least for me):
Link to Reporting a Player: https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player
"3) Do not report a Summoner for tactical disagreements" I would argue that this pretty much covers it.