I've been reading threads where players get upwards of 8+ second chances before the perma drops.
These guys and gals clearly got so used to punishments, they lost an understanding of the implied severity of the situation.
Bearing in mind that the vast majority of players either never get punished or clean up their act immediately, maybe all these second chances are doing more harm than good
Bronze 1 99LP3 voteswhat are you talking about? after 3 punishments your next 1 is a perma ban homie there's no second chances
Oleandervine1 votesYou get like 4-5 chat restrictions before you start getting suspensions.
Bronze 1 99LP1 votesno. your first punishment is a 10 game chat restriction, your second punishment is a 25 game chat restriction, your third punishment is a 14day ban and finally your fourth punishment is permanent ban. Don't talk if you don't know.
edit: getting downvoted by people who think they know how the system works better than me who's gone through that whole shit on over 30 accounts
Supreme Senpai692 votesThat's... not always the case, no. Time between punishments and severity of punishments affect the punishment.
Bronze 1 99LP1 votessaying racial slurs, saying kys and running down mid are the only ways to get an instant 14 day ban. when you finish your 10 game chat restriction and are toxic in the next game your punishment will still be a 25 game chat restriction unless you do or say those things.
Supreme Senpai691 votesI don't know anything about that but what I do know is somebody can be chat restricted a dozen times. It just depends on the time between punishments and severity of punishments like I said. It's not /always/ three.
Bronze 1 99LP1 votesdude, holy shit you're still talking about the old punishment system, the new system is different put that in your head, you're seriously pissing me off thinking you know shit but don't know anything
Supreme Senpai691 votesLol. If what some random person types on a MOBA internet forum post pisses you off then there are bigger problems than how the punishment system works for some game.
Either I'm right and nothing changes or I'm wrong and life goes on. Either way I really don't care.
Dakkimchi1 votesThere are some drastic offense that get you directly to the 14 day ban, like "kys," right?
Bronze 1 99LP1 votesyes
Xidphel1 votesActually, I downvoted because of that final line pre-edit. Bit of a dick thing to say. I'd retract my downvote if not for your "I'm right and everyone who disagree are vile little such-and-such" attitude.
Also, after 30 accounts (assuming you lost a good number of them), when are you gonna take the hint?
Bronze 1 99LP1 votesi've already taken the hint, i just don't give a fuck anymore since they're just low level accounts :D
Gloric1 votes[{quoted}](name=Bronze 1 99LP,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zT7sOyER,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-03T20:59:03.255+0000)
no. your first punishment is a 10 game chat restriction, your second punishment is a 25 game chat restriction, your third punishment is a 14day ban and finally your fourth punishment is permanent ban. Don't talk if you don't know.
edit: getting downvoted by people who think they know how the system works better than me who's gone through that whole shit on over 30 accounts
Incorrect.
Xidphel1 votes10-game chat restrict=second chance 25-game chat restrict=third chance 14-day ban=fourth/last chance
Gloric1 votes[{quoted}](name=Bronze 1 99LP,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zT7sOyER,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-05-03T20:47:08.847+0000)
what are you talking about? after 3 punishments your next 1 is a perma ban homie there's no second chances
I was chat restricted at least 15 times, if not 20-25 times over 2 years before my 14 day 2 weeks ago and perm ban as of yesterday. And my chat for the 10 game restrictions (all in 2 of them were 10 game restrictions) in the past was WAY more aggressive than anything i've written in the past 6 months. And I got a 14 day and perm ban from what is essentially just being a bit mad. SO I really had no context as to what was actually unacceptable, considering I did kinda clean up my chat from years ago. But the system has gotten more over zealous in recent months.
Bronze 1 99LP1 votesbefore riot implemented the new punishment system people used to get tones of chat restrictions and that's why you got so many. Now it's 2 chat restrictions a 14 day ban and next a perma ban.
Before you reply saying i'm wrong read this
PUNISHMENTS GENERALLY FOLLOW A BASIC ESCALATION PATH: First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction Third Offense: Two Week Suspension Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension However, it is possible to skip to a Two Week or Permanent suspension based on the severity of the behavior in the game. Excessive negative behavior can result in a Two-Week or Permanent suspension at any time without having a chat restriction on the account.
https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ-
RallerenP2 votesIt's usually only 4 3 chances, then out.
Getting 8+ chances means the player showed improved behaviour, so much that the system dropped their 'punishment level'. If you don't want people to be accountable for what they said 2 years ago, dropping the punishment level is necessary to be humane.
When players get their 14-day ban it says on the reform card that the next punishment will be a permanent suspension, so can't give the excuse they weren't expecting the permaban.
Nanolathe111 votesIt's usually only 4 chances, then out.
Getting 8+ chances means the player showed improved behaviour, so much that the system dropped their 'punishment level'. If you don't want people to be accountable for what they said 2 years ago, dropping the punishment level is necessary to be humane.
When players get their 14-day ban it says on the reform card that the next punishment will be a permanent suspension, so can't give the excuse they weren't expecting the permaban.
is this true? after 4 punishments of any kind and youre permabanned? do those go away over time like you say? ive had a couple chat bans before and now you have me worried lol.
Bronze 1 99LP2 voteseverything he said is true
Karunamon2 votesThey go away over games played so long as you're not getting valid reports. Every valid reports heats up your account a little bit, and once its hot enough, it goes up to the next level.
http://tkwa.re/leaguereporttiers
Basically, it's 4 strikes and you're out, but only if you behave badly long enough to never cool back down and lose a strike.
Nanolathe112 votesThey go away over games played so long as you're not getting valid reports. Every valid reports heats up your account a little bit, and once its hot enough, it goes up to the next level.
http://tkwa.re/leaguereporttiers
Basically, it's 4 strikes and you're out, but only if you behave badly long enough to never cool back down and lose a strike.
thanks so much for this chart, it really breaks it down well for us! now if only they had one specifically for honor progress and the severity "cooldown". i suppose honor checkpoints are a good start and im glad they made that change but there is still more to be desired. a progress bar would be nice.
Nanolathe111 votesi think giving second chances is good, that is second chances and not 8th chances haha i myself have been reported and banned from chat a couple times but im fairly new to the game (1 year) and i didnt understand the severity of the punishments and what qualifies as a reportable offense. now i know and have improved my behavior considerably.
to me the chat bans are a very light punishment, even a 5 day ban from playing isnt that bad when you look at other punishments. for instance because of my chat ban i was dropped from honor level 4 to level 0. and i can tell you it definitely took alot longer than 5 days to recover my honor levels (currently level 1 checkpoint 2).
i think they should be more transparent with the punishments. had i known i would have lost ALL my honor levels cuz of 1 bad game then i wouldnt have said what i said. now i know what youre thinking "you shouldnt need an incentive to not be a jerk in game" and i agree thats true. but knowing the consequences ahead of time would reduce the amount of toxic people im sure of it.
ex: if you rob a bank or commit a crime, you know what the punishment would be ahead of time and you decide to take that risk or not. if someone didnt know they could be arrested for committing crimes they would be more likely to do it. thats all im saying :)
ModThe Djinn4 votes{quoted}ex: if you rob a bank or commit a crime, you know what the punishment would be ahead of time and you decide to take that risk or not. if someone didnt know they could be arrested for committing crimes they would be more likely to do it. thats all im saying :)
But you don't, really. Bank robbery in the USA, for example, carries a sentence of between one year and a lifetime imprisonment based on criminal history, circumstances in the robbery, whether you successfully take anything, whether you have a weapon, or just what the jury had for lunch that day.
You know you'll be punished and might lose something (your freedom, in this case), but not what the specific punishment will be. That's actually pretty close to League's model, if you've ever read the Terms of Use, which lay out the sorts of punishment you can receive for violating the rules.
Nanolathe112 votes[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zT7sOyER,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-05-03T21:25:29.902+0000)
But you don't, really. Bank robbery in the USA, for example, carries a sentence of between one year and a lifetime imprisonment based on criminal history, circumstances in the robbery, whether you successfully take anything, whether you have a weapon, or just what the jury had for lunch that day.
You know you'll be punished and might lose something (your freedom, in this case), but not what the specific punishment will be. That's actually pretty close to League's model, if you've ever read the Terms of Use, which lay out the sorts of punishment you can receive for violating the rules.
you really expect people to read the terms of use...? thats funny
ModThe Djinn3 votes{quoted}you really expect people to read the terms of use...? thats funny
Shrug
They can ignore them if they want, but if they're surprised by a punishment because they didn't actually pay any attention to what they were signing up for that's not really Riot's fault, especially since the fact that Riot has a punishment system is very well known in the gaming world.
Nanolathe112 votes[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zT7sOyER,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-05-03T21:46:31.133+0000)
Shrug
They can ignore them if they want, but if they're surprised by a punishment because they didn't actually pay any attention to what they were signing up for that's not really Riot's fault, especially since the fact that Riot has a punishment system is very well known in the gaming world.
youre taking this way too seriously and literally. i had never heard of riot before playing this game, so not sure why you assume people know riot's punishment system without ever even have played league... in fact, this is the first online game ive ever played where you could actually report people and something happens based on those reports. if only they had this in COD :/
Zallamance1 votesI suggest actually going over the terms of use. There's actually come wit used when writing them, and it doesn't feel like something copy and pasted from a lawyer like many other sites and games do.
Gloric2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=zT7sOyER,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-05-03T21:25:29.902+0000)
But you don't, really. Bank robbery in the USA, for example, carries a sentence of between one year and a lifetime imprisonment based on criminal history, circumstances in the robbery, whether you successfully take anything, whether you have a weapon, or just what the jury had for lunch that day.
You know you'll be punished and might lose something (your freedom, in this case), but not what the specific punishment will be. That's actually pretty close to League's model, if you've ever read the Terms of Use, which lay out the sorts of punishment you can receive for violating the rules.
lol I love all these comparisons to real life crime, apparently talking shit in chat is equivalent to;
It's pretty fucking insane how thin skinned people are, like really.
ModThe Djinn1 voteslol I love all these comparisons to real life crime, apparently talking shit in chat is equivalent to;
- Murder
- Bank Robbery
- Physical Assault And the lost goes on.
No one is saying the crimes are equal in severity by any stretch of the imagination. The only thing that metaphor is really pointing out is that your prior behavior and the circumstances surrounding your behavior have an impact on the punishment received.
JusticeReigns1 votesThis guy was permabanned for trying to get his 14-day ban repealed, Riot is just going too far now or their staff just has too little training.
