Scripting Twitch+Lulu premades are terrorizing diamond+ soloQ again

Malicious Metal·Jan 21, 2018·41 votes·5,612 views

-removed by moderation-

it's always the same deal.

They're premade, disregard their entire team, flame the other players, don't go for ANY objectives and then just count on their BS strat working because the Twitch player scripts and becomes virtually untouchable because of it.

https://www2.pic-upload.de/img/34699288/ratirl3.jpg

And it is a KNOWN issue here on EUW, seeing that it's where the nefarious player -removed by moderation- uses this strat on various accounts. It's always the same deal and I hope Riot might actually do something against that ring of boosters since it's really decreasing match quality.

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AhristocatsJan 21, 201819 votes

i'm going to complete this thread made by my friend

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wickd already pointed out this issue, and EVERYBODY IN HIGH ELO KNOWS THAT HE SCRIPTS

<Removed by Moderation>

boost accounts by scripting to challenger, makes easy money from it gets banned then script again to challenger

literally plaguing the game when the ** are we going to tyler1 him?

FairyfleurJan 21, 201815 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xiuPoMUq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-21T16:39:31.739+0000)

literally plaguing the game

I don't have much to offer on this issue but

[sg-miss-fortune]

YoungFarmerJan 21, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=I am Rubick Sama,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=xiuPoMUq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-01-21T16:39:31.739+0000)

i'm going to complete this thread made by my friend

<Removed by Moderation>

wickd already pointed out this issue, and EVERYBODY IN HIGH ELO KNOWS THAT HE SCRIPTS

<Removed by Moderation>

boost accounts by scripting to challenger, makes easy money from it gets banned then script again to challenger

literally plaguing the game when the ** are we going to tyler1 him?

Tyler 1 still made accounts even when he was banned, I saw him in some of doms games, he just wasn't supposed to make accounts and definitly couldn't stream. That scripter needs a full on IP address ban. Althought apparently its not hard to change your IP??

TerozuJan 22, 20182 votes

Yeah no its as simple as restarting your router with some isps.

OxyrottenJan 25, 20181 votes

It's not hard to change your IP, it's also even easier to spoof it (fake your IP).

The other issue is that Riot does not issue IP bans, because they market it as a team sport, and a big market they are trying to promote is college and IP bans can unfairly ban a multitude of people as well as the wrong people in a situation like that.

AhmChaJan 22, 20182 votes

This joke's been made before I'm sure, but RatIRL is a really fitting name.

ModJikkerJan 22, 20181 votes

Hey,

Even if they are a known scripter, naming them is still under our "Name and Shame" rule so I've removed it from your post. Riot is probably aware of this situation and we just don't know it. You can always submit a ticket to them with evidence of a player doing this to make sure they are aware or raise further awareness.

Regarding the video, even though it is available to all on YouTube, the content wickd talks about is all about naming toxic players and showing what they've done. This does fall under name and shame as well so I have removed it. I understand that the toxicity is terrible in EUW right now and that it and scripting needs to be fixed, but if we're discussing it on the Boards, that needs to be done in a manner that does not name other players in a negative way. Again, bringing up specific cases is something that should be handled with Riot in a private ticket.

If you have any questions about why these things were edited out of your post, feel free to come on by the Discord and we'll be glad to help best we can.

Thanks!

[poppy-wink]

AMYS GRAVEJan 22, 20181 votes

The relevant videos are still linked in a reply comment.

ModJikkerJan 22, 20181 votes

Missed that.

Thanks you =)

nm1010Jan 23, 20181 votes

Moderation needs to get their consistency together, it was just said a few days ago that "Naming/shaming rule generally does not apply to those players who have, through their own desires/actions/mistakes, have been thrust in to the public eye". Removed by Moderation> is a very well known player even NA side, please stop with the inconsistent rules.

I am going to go find the exact quote now so if you read this right away give me a moment.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/EXANRp98-currently-the-rank-1-player-on-euw-is-an-account-shared-account?comment=0006

Please get together and revise the rules as a group so we don't get conflicting statements like this.

ModJikkerJan 23, 20181 votes

Hey,

I'm sorry you feel that I made an error regarding this removal. This was discussed as a whole by the moderation team and we came to the consensus that, in this circumstance in which the player was named as a scripter, the names should be removed. I am going to remove the name from your post until further notice and will take this issue to the rest of the team. Please note that the mod in question did state: " As such, if it wasn’t clear, this post is not prohibited naming/shaming in my view. " Our stance as a whole appears to have changed, but again, I will bring this up with the team so we can come to a general consensus.

I am personally aware that we are inconsistent from time to time and we are currently working on finding ways to make sure that we remain consistent as best we can. Different circumstances or contexts do make it difficult to find black and white rules for everything, especially when most of the Boards are in a more grey area. We will continue to work on making sure that posters are aware of what we expect and can follow the rules with confidence.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention

[poppy-wink]

nm1010Jan 23, 20181 votes

The player admits to flaming/win trading/boosting/scripting/inting on social media, the boards moderation team thinks refering to said player by name is a grey area. I'm sorry but I find the logic in that pretty poor, are you telling me I can't talk about <Removed by Moderation> boosting services because I am "naming and shaming" him?

<Removed by Moderation>

If the players themselves aren't hiding shit why is the boards moderation team trying to?

This is a joke, don't bother with the response I get the message.

ModJikkerJan 23, 20181 votes

I've removed the names once again from your post and ask you to please not post names like this again in our conversation. This name was removed as well as the image because, as you state, they are advertising boosting. This is not a "name and shame" removal (although if there was lack of evidence, it would be considered that), but rather we do not want the names of people known for boosting on the Boards since while your intentions may be good, other posters could see the name and seek their services. You inadvertently have advertised for them which is not allowed. I hope that makes sense.

Name and shame will always be a grey area. Regardless of evidence, it is hard to discern whether or not a player is guilty and we do not want false accusations on the Boards. For players that are not public or very well known, we don't want them shamed because they have not opened themselves to public examination. An example of this would be posting images of a player supposedly feeding in a match. For public players, it becomes a more difficult determination on whether or not they are actually "public" or "well known" and, of course, it is going to depend upon the context of the post and if the evidence is concrete enough. This is where it becomes a hard line to walk because, as moderators, it's not our job to determine guilt for in game violations and we have a responsibility to avoid false accusations being made against others leading to them being witch hunted.

In the end, it is best to simply leave names off if you are unsure. Any comments regarding well known players will be left up to the moderator's/moderation team's discretion based upon the unique context. We'll make sure to always comment on the thread or explain in the delete message what made the situation be handled as it was. And, as always, we will seek to improve our moderation to make it as clear and consistent as is reasonably possible.

I hope that helps explain a bit better what is going on here. If you would like to discuss it further indepth or with other members of the moderation team, please come to the Discord or make a thread on the subject on Discuss the Boards.

[poppy-wink]

GGLineaRJan 21, 201812 votes

Uh, how much scripting is really needed to play those two well, exactly?

That's more pathetic than anything else.

AhristocatsJan 21, 201814 votes

he uses script to automatically dodge skillshots

everyone knows that he scripts because when you play against him and throw a skillshot, his champion bugs for nearly 1 sec before walking again

watch wickd's video that i posted above

GhostOfTsushimaJan 21, 20186 votes

Its not SCRIPT

Its ULTRA INSTINCT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiJqK0MZQYs

get it Straight

greekvandaLJan 21, 20183 votes

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OnlyYouCanHearMeJan 21, 20189 votes

Keep in mind, the team that works on Champion balance doesn't have anything to do with malicious third party program detection. Even if they weren't working on buffing Jinx, those people from the balance team wouldn't be working on detection methods.

And you should also know that no scripter or hacker is ever banned immediately upon detection. All of the malicious third party program bans are carried out in waves, to make it a bit harder for the hackers to figure out exactly when and how they were discovered.

KanzlerJan 22, 20181 votes

Dont use that kind of logic here. Everyone knows that because Jinx is getting buffed, it means resources aren't being used to improve the rides at Disneyworld!

General Esdeath Jan 22, 20182 votes

Fucking Disney, fixing their rides instead of improving their food.

OxyrottenJan 25, 20181 votes

Ikr half the fun of space mountain was worrying if you were gonna fall off the rattling rails.

IfnethJan 21, 20183 votes

Maybe Riot needs to go beyond in-game penalties for people determined to break the rules by getting around Riot’s enforcement system. Go after them in real life.

Find out who they are and where they live.
Serve them with a cease-and-desist order
Sue them for breach of contract if they refuse
Review cyber-crime laws and see whether they apply to each case

It all starts with the terms of service. They should clearly define a difference between breaking the rules and trying to defeat them. For example, using a script would be breaking the rules by cheating, but opening another account and scripting there would be trying to defeat them by making Riot think you were someone else. The terms also must warn that, if you cross that line, then Riot’s response will cross from the virtual to the actual as defined above.

mikemcpartyJan 21, 20188 votes

/s?

IfnethJan 21, 20181 votes

{quoted}

/s?

No sarcasm. You break the rules, you lose chat privileges or your account. You try to defeat the rules, you wind up sued. You break the law, you go to jail.

mikemcpartyJan 22, 20188 votes

I don't think anyone has the time to punish people in real life for what happens in an online video game. You're delusional if you think anyone cares that much.

ShaolinToiletJan 22, 20184 votes

Do I really have to bring up the guy who went to prison for years for telling someone to kill themselves in runescape

Imperial PandaaJan 22, 20184 votes

China does. They arrested like 120 people for cheating in PUBG.

mikemcpartyJan 22, 20181 votes

You would like to be more like China?

Imperial PandaaJan 22, 20182 votes

I never said that. I just provided a counter to your "no one has time/cares". I found that story interesting and funny

IfnethJan 22, 20181 votes

{quoted}

I don't think anyone has the time to punish people in real life for what happens in an online video game. You're delusional if you think anyone cares that much.

That’s just what someone who sells scripts or tries to get back into League after getting banned thinks, though. Come after them, and that’ll change real fast.

Think of it this way. Let’s say some jerk knows a hack that can make him dodge skillshots. If he uses it and gets caught, then he gets perma-banned. But that’s a slap on the wrist because he can just get another account, either to replace his main or to use the hack on in the first place. So he might take the risk and use it, but that’s just one jerk with one hack.

But what if he sells the hack online? Whoever buys and uses it takes the same risk he did—which is to say not much. So lots of people buy the hack and use it to ruin lots of games. Suddenly the stakes are a lot higher, so the punishments have to be, too. A cease-and-desist letter is a great starting point because it’s easy, cheap, and sets up a slam-dunk lawsuit or prosecution if he blatantly ignores it.

From there, it’s just a game of escalation. If he ignores the letter, get a judgment against him, preferably including compensation for legal fees. If he ignores the judgment, ask the judge to find him in contempt and seize his computer. Now, if he buys another machine and masks his IP address to keep selling, you ask the court to find him in contempt again and have him arrested. You can even talk to the local prosecutor about charges for computer and identity fraud.

Be public about the whole thing, or as public as the arbitration NDAs will allow. Don’t try to slander them—that’s illegal—but just watch as the rest of the seedy hacker underbelly learns from the examples of the punished. Get out of the market, or don’t get caught. And since selling hacks is ‘business,’ any business needs customers, and any ‘customer’ found hacking would be willing to tell Riot where they got their hack to keep their account, getting caught will be almost certain.

Problem solved.

mikemcpartyJan 22, 20181 votes

Have him arrested and put where? United States jails are overflowing with individuals and law officials have their hands full with real crimes like drug offenses, murders, rapes, you know... things that actually matter. I agree that the punishment should be greater, but that is a fault of the system not punishing greatly enough and not being strong enough to detect hackers effectively, not the fault of legitimate law enforcement agencies.

Lios AshenbladeJan 22, 20181 votes

Obviously we gather all the neck beard scum and form our own anti cheating organization, we will call it...Fuck Yall Stop Cheating Damn...

mikemcpartyJan 22, 20182 votes

FYSCD for short. Make Gaming Great Again

Lios AshenbladeJan 22, 20181 votes

[zombie-brand-clap] eggsackly

mikemcpartyJan 22, 20181 votes

sac-lee**

Lios AshenbladeJan 22, 20182 votes

Now I am picturing LeeSin as a quarterback and i cannot stop laughing "I can't see anyone open gets sacked"

Camera zooms in on the linebacker that wrecked him...Its Terry Crews... "BREARGLOVE"

OnlyYouCanHearMeJan 23, 20181 votes

Now THAT is my idea of football. *ahem^ Sorry about that. My Lee Sin fantasy crept onto the Boards for a minute there. I'll just go now...

Lios AshenbladeJan 23, 20182 votes

Unrelated note, I kind of hope we get more Vetress soon, she needs a damn book like ahsoka got

OnlyYouCanHearMeJan 23, 20181 votes

She has one. Though it's a bit of a sad read. I believe they tried to market it as a book about Vos, but the book is really more about her. It's called Dark Disciple by Christie Golden.

https://imgur.com/a/YEy99

She also pops up in the Book of Sith. It's not so much a book that you read for the story, but more as a compilation of notes that were put together about where the Sith came from and how they came to be what they are. Various members of the Sith and Jedi Order have made footnotes in the margins, and Ventress has her fair share of them.

https://imgur.com/a/Fmvjt

Ventress is one of my favorite characters of all time. So much so that I cosplayed her for a while, which included shaving my head and buying a $700 curved light saber. Sadly, I lost my job before I could buy the second saber, but it's on my list of things to get as soon as I can afford it again! Yep. I know. I'm a nerd. I'm just going to stop typing now before I scare any more people. xD

Lios AshenbladeJan 23, 20181 votes

Ashoka was my favorite, not gonna lie, but I found Ventress very interesting, her growth through the series was fun to watch, and honestly a better bit of character development than you normally get from star wars bad guys, I have the book of the SIth and the Jedi one on my coffee table lol, and she was the voice in the sith holocron that Ezra was learning from in Rebels, or maybe she was just the same voice actor, but come on...

I would totally watch a series based on her bounty hunting future, or finding some sort of peace within herself, I feel like she was on the path to the grey

OnlyYouCanHearMeJan 23, 20181 votes

Ashoka is also a wonderful character. I loved the arc in Clone Wars where they worked together. If I had been a little shorter, I probably would have tried cosplaying her too. But I'm about a foot too tall. It's so awesome that you have the books! Aren't they great?

I would totally watch a series based on her bounty hunting future, or finding some sort of peace within herself, I feel like she was on the path to the grey

Dark Disciple. Just read it. Trust me.

Lios AshenbladeJan 23, 20181 votes

They were an interesting read, I got them to mine them for ideas, for some tabletop star wars games I was running for friends, tbh the Clone Wars series, is probably my favorite star wars story, I will always prefer books and tv shows to movies, because of the amount of character development we can see, movie character growth needs some weird montage or it just feels forced

Goku challengerApr 2, 20181 votes

offensive, i have a neck beard ! lol

IfnethJan 23, 20181 votes

{quoted}

Have him arrested and put where? United States jails are overflowing with individuals and law officials have their hands full with real crimes like drug offenses, murders, rapes, you know... things that actually matter. I agree that the punishment should be greater, but that is a fault of the system not punishing greatly enough and not being strong enough to detect hackers effectively, not the fault of legitimate law enforcement agencies.

Huh? Contempt of court lands you in the local jail until you comply with the court order. This is for people who are ordered, for example, to pay for property damage they caused, have the money to pay, and just cross their arms and refuse to hand it over. Contempt charges make sure that people listen to the judge.

This would happen if, say, a hack seller continued his illicit business after having been banned from League, sued by Riot to stop and lost the case, and ignored the resulting court order to stop selling hacks. It would be the only way to stop a determined scoff-law.

mikemcpartyJan 23, 20181 votes

So they don't pay. Then, where do they go?

Lios AshenbladeJan 23, 20181 votes

The salt mines...God King Trump will conscript them into our Wall building division

IfnethJan 23, 20181 votes

{quoted}

So they don't pay. Then, where do they go?

You do know that I’m describing the procedures of a court, here, right? This isn’t my idea. You can just look it up. ^_^

People who are ordered to pay, can pay, but refuse to pay, and wind up in jail for contempt are probably going to have their assets seized by the local Sheriff’s department. This would be, in most cases, the Sheriff coming to their bank with a court order to withdraw the judgment from their account. If the judge knew the account couldn’t cover it, then he would have to make a decision about whether to, say, seize and auction the defendant’s jewelry, car, house, or other valuables.

Needless to say, the judge would be throwing a well-justified hissy fit at the defendant’s brazen disregard for the law and slapping them with a fee for the sheriff’s time and possibly a fine or short jail stint for contempt. Now, to anticipate your next question, if the defendant tried to get in the sheriff’s way, by, say, telling their friend to close out the bank account and stash the cash under a mattress, then we would be talking about obstruction of justice or even conspiracy to obstruct justice, either which can be a felony for the defendant or the friend or both.

Trust me. You do not want to wind up in the local jail for any amount of time because you owed someone money, had the cash to repay your debt, were even ordered by a judge to do so, and just flat out refused to hand it over. If you do that, then you are a total jerk who will have brought what comes next on himself and deserve every bit of it. It may not be pretty, it may not be happy, but it is called justice.

(I’m using “you” as an example here. I don’t mean to call you a scoundrel)

mikemcpartyJan 23, 20181 votes

I know what you are describing. But, I don't understand why you are trying to come to the conclusion that scripting in a video game warrants a physical, in-person penalty. By playing a game online, you are making an agreement that your experience can be affected or determined by the other people who are playing the game. You think the scripting is bad in league? You must not have seen how aimbots have affected the shooter community on PC. This is another example of video game players trying to justify their addiction by giving it more merit than it deserves. It is a video game... There are very few cheaters (especially scripters)... You made the decision to play online in the world's largest gaming community and expect them to catch every single scripter, the moment they do something wrong. That is just unintelligent.

IfnethJan 24, 20181 votes

{quoted}

I know what you are describing. But, I don't understand why you are trying to come to the conclusion that scripting in a video game warrants a physical, in-person penalty. By playing a game online, you are making an agreement that your experience can be affected or determined by the other people who are playing the game. You think the scripting is bad in league? You must not have seen how aimbots have affected the shooter community on PC. This is another example of video game players trying to justify their addiction by giving it more merit than it deserves. It is a video game... There are very few cheaters (especially scripters)... You made the decision to play online in the world's largest gaming community and expect them to catch every single scripter, the moment they do something wrong. That is just unintelligent.

I never said that scripting by itself merited a real-life punishment. I said that trying to defeat Riot’s in-game attempts to enforce its terms of service did: it is the only way to make people stop doing so. Especially when they do so to make money, as in the example of script seller, only real life consequences will deter them.

I have been clear about all of the above from them beginning, yet time and again you have almost willfully misunderstood me. Further, your arguments are so distorted and digressive that I wonder if you really even want to discuss this issue. Goodbye.

mikemcpartyJan 25, 20181 votes

But, you don't get it. Riot doesn't give a shit about a few scripters out of literally 27 million daily players. You do understand that they don't care, right? You wholeheartedly believe that Riot is going to send out the dogs on the extremely rare individuals who are scripting? You realize the money they would need to spend to track these people down like they are felons is not worth the amount of "damage" they are doing in game.

Listen, scripting is not a large enough problem for anyone to give a shit. In fact, the game hasn't had a declining player-base since release, so unless you show me some data about scripting being this massive problem, then I am not going to waiver on proving your stupidity.

For the record, you did say that scripters should have people "come after them." So can you explain a different way that should be interpreted?