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GamblerOfLives··1 votes·694 views

I have no ideea why people think toxicity is a bad thing.There a difference between harrasment and 1-2 bad words:)..I had 2 games,in 1 game i did really bad and this jungler,all game long, said stupid stuff in chat..(idc,but this was harrasment) this was 1 example. Another example is thi..We had a close game,min 25, we grouped, and managed to ace the enemy team..The correct was baron,which we whent to do baron,except that my top(garen) decides to farm instead of helping us..nobody could tank baron, and the enemy team arrived just as we finished baron, and we were really low:)..we lost the game after that:)..well,2-3 seconds and we would have gotten away:)..but,ye, garen didn't listen to the team and lost the game:)..It's not wrong to say this: "well,bro,you fcking lost the game,you are a fcking idiot"

The reasoning is this.The report system makes it,so that you can vent after a bad game..that's why it's so easy to report others.If you ask someone,if they would report a player the next day,most of us,wouldn;t care and most likely would say, that they won;t report them. Your decision regarding reports,doesn;t matter,it's only there to help players deal with a losing game..some kind of relief after a bad game. But,the problem is this, in game,when you tryhard,when you are fed, when you try to carry, and some guy, decides to stop playing,or throws unintentionally the game..ofc you need to vent off..it's very good for your mental health..Holding this in you,well,it's not good:))) Again,there is a difference between harrasment and 1-2 words..a huge difference..and a system like this, can;t make the difference. That's why people see alot of"report x"( you usually see this on the losing team).They need to blame someone and the most important is that they need to vent off bcs a player fcked up really bad.

Another thing about the system.It's very abusable,you will find alot of players here, that purposely try to trigger some players.Why, bcs it's not only allowed, but it;s rewarded:)..Even a 5 yeard old kid can make this happen.Very abusable.Will give an example.I have a friend,that trolled all the way from D3 to Gold 3(60-80 game loss in a row) and he told me that he even got people banned for this:).

Idk if trolls should be punished(it's whatever,bcs both teams can get them)it;s not something that you can cotroll,and it;s fine by me.And Rito should know this,that some things, can;t be controlled.They gave us a good game,with a fun gameplay,but you are taken away all the "fun" and make it a really frustrating game.(not being able to say,"fck you dude.,you lost us the game" it's not ok...we need to have some relief in game.

I doubt the majority of players here will undestand..but i'll give it a shot and post this here.

30 Comments

Hunts and Dips3 votes

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I have no ideea why people think toxicity is a bad thing....It's not wrong to say this: "well,bro,you fcking lost the game,you are a fcking idiot"

What?

The fact that you think it's ok to be a dickhead is proof that you have no credibility for anything you said.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Frig Off Lahey,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=x9m3PtTx,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-12-20T18:02:57.005+0000)

What?

The fact that you think it's ok to be a dickhead is proof that you have no credibility for anything you said.

Well,you should read the whole text before you reply.Or if you didn't read it and just come and quote things out of context,well, better do it in elsewhere..thx for your understanding

Tysheth2 votes

I read the context. It is not okay to say "well,bro,you fcking lost the game,you are a fcking idiot".

Goosetard2 votes

Tell me how this summary of your post is wrong:

  • It's ok to say mean things to people when I'm mad
  • It's pointless trying to punish anyone because it's not effective against everyone
  • :) can be inserted anywhere without spaces
GamblerOfLives1 votes

{quoted}

Tell me how this summary of your post is wrong:

  • It's ok to say mean things to people when I'm mad
  • It's pointless trying to punish anyone because it's not effective against everyone
  • :) can be inserted anywhere without spaces

You got it wrong..it's actually this:

It;s ok to say mean things and people should not get offended by them.Not bcs i'm mad, but bcs i need to vent off sometimes.But,let me ask you this.Is it ok, for you to make a huge mistake in game and no get punished?Is it ok for you to lose the game solo for 4 others players? As i said, i'm not talking about harrasment, only when someone makes huge mistakes that cost you the game.You already have a frustrating game,you whant to win it,someone fcks up big time, you are denied by Riot to say anything offensive and the guy doesn't get punished:).And,if you dare say anything offensive, and this guy reports you(he has to be a really shitty person) you get banned bcs you actually tried to win the game:)

No, it's like this. You risk punishing the wrong persons,since the system can be fcked by everybody.As i said,i have a friend that trolled all the way to gold 3 from d3(60-80 games lost) and he even got people banned bcs of their chat:))..legit right

Yes, this is how i write on forums:):):):):):):):):)

Goosetard3 votes

Yeah. We understand what you're saying. I understand the logic you have. I (and others) are trying to tell you that you're wrong... not that you think differently, but that you're wrong.

  • Making huge mistakes in a game which result in a loss DOES get you punished: you drop in rank. It gets your team punished too, but the parity is making big plays boost your rank and rewards your teammates.
  • If you're trying hard, getting mad is OK. It's probably inevitable. Taking out the anger on other people is not ok. They may be (partially) responsible for your anger but YOU are fully responsible for your actions (i.e saying things)
  • You can try to win without being mean to other people. You are not "getting banned bcs you actually tried to win the game:)," you are getting some kind of punishment for being toxic, which doesn't have anything to do with gameplay. How you act towards other people is a choice that you make and you alone are responsible for.
  • On the whole, the system is calibrated relatively well to filter out people who file incorrect reports, either through a baseline amount of report forgiveness or their reports becoming less effective, so no, the system cannot "be fcked by everybody."
  • Your friend is a dick but his behavior doesn't justify anything, least of all people who are being toxic to him in turn.

The underlying point here is that, no matter what happens to you, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to conduct yourself in a way conducive to a healthy community. Saying "oh but he's doing this" does not, and will never, excuse your own behavior. You have a choice about how you act and you are responsible for it.

I get mad all the time. I broke my headphones one day because I lost it for a second. And you know what, I'm not perfect, sometimes I flip out more than I should at people and say things that might be offensive. It's usually at people who are being toxic to me or the rest of the team in turn. But I don't think for a second that's an excuse, sometimes I apologize, and I haven't gotten anything more than a warning for colorful language the second week I was playing in four years.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

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Yeah. We understand what you're saying. I understand the logic you have. I (and others) are trying to tell you that you're wrong... not that you think differently, but that you're wrong.

  • Making huge mistakes in a game which result in a loss DOES get you punished: you drop in rank. It gets your team punished too, but the parity is making big plays boost your rank and rewards your teammates.
  • If you're trying hard, getting mad is OK. It's probably inevitable. Taking out the anger on other people is not ok. They may be (partially) responsible for your anger but YOU are fully responsible for your actions (i.e saying things)
  • You can try to win without being mean to other people. You are not "getting banned bcs you actually tried to win the game:)," you are getting some kind of punishment for being toxic, which doesn't have anything to do with gameplay. How you act towards other people is a choice that you make and you alone are responsible for.
  • On the whole, the system is calibrated relatively well to filter out people who file incorrect reports, either through a baseline amount of report forgiveness or their reports becoming less effective, so no, the system cannot "be fcked by everybody."
  • Your friend is a dick but his behavior doesn't justify anything, least of all people who are being toxic to him in turn.

The underlying point here is that, no matter what happens to you, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to conduct yourself in a way conducive to a healthy community. Saying "oh but he's doing this" does not, and will never, excuse your own behavior. You have a choice about how you act and you are responsible for it.

I get mad all the time. I broke my headphones one day because I lost it for a second. And you know what, I'm not perfect, sometimes I flip out more than I should at people and say things that might be offensive. It's usually at people who are being toxic to me or the rest of the team in turn. But I don't think for a second that's an excuse, sometimes I apologize, and I haven't gotten anything more than a warning for colorful language the second week I was playing in four years.

I am not being mean.U failed to see the point.In a PVP game like this,which is very competitive, alot of bad words are mistaken with flame.The report system it's a big fail.The reason is this.The player, can't have a good opinion over someone else,bcs he is influenced by the game.You can;t be blind and trust their system, atleast i don;t choose to be blind.

There are alot of examples.You can play with your friend and talk shit to each other and someone might report you and even get you banned. And alot of more examples.

Goosetard1 votes

The system isn't saying you have to have a good opinion of other players. You can have whatever opinion you please. The system is saying that you can't express that negative opinion to the other players because it's hurtful and detracts from the game experience for everyone. I don't see why that's so hard. Whatever shit talking you have to do to keep a level head, keep it outside the game. Yell at something in real life. Call up your friend and yell at him if you want to talk shit. Just don't do it over the in-game chat.

PlatypusSurprise1 votes

I'd say the Garen in your example would not have lost you the game. Yeah they are making a big misplay by not helping take Barron however, it's equally the fault of the rest of the team for not realizing they are over staying at Barron after the Garen did not commit and throwing the game/ offering the other team a chance to steal Barron.

I mean I've had games where my team wanted to get Barron and I've told them we can end right now there is no point getting Barron and they've still gone for him throwing it and let the other team steal or clean us up after we took it instead of just killing the nexus >.>

GamblerOfLives1 votes

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I'd say the Garen in your example would not have lost you the game. Yeah they are making a big misplay by not helping take Barron however, it's equally the fault of the rest of the team for not realizing they are over staying at Barron after the Garen did not commit and throwing the game/ offering the other team a chance to steal Barron.

I mean I've had games where my team wanted to get Barron and I've told them we can end right now there is no point getting Barron and they've still gone for him throwing it and let the other team steal or clean us up after we took it instead of just killing the nexus >.>

That was an example dude..an example to make a point:)

PlatypusSurprise2 votes

I understand that which is why I made a counter point ;)

venomous frost1 votes

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

The Poetic Zed1 votes

"It's not wrong to say this: 'well,bro,you fcking lost the game,you are a fcking idiot'"

actually according to riots policies, it is wrong to say that. You can say that you don't think it's wrong to say that, but when the rules and regulations are in place already, its up to you to follow or not follow them. You can disagree with riot's stance on toxic players, but the reality of it is that it won't make a difference. Having a different opinion doesn't mean it's okay to disregard the rules currently in place. Trolls should be punished, yes, (but theres no way to punish them properly and justly without having someone review every individual case) but anyone that blows up on a troll deserves to be punished. You can't control someone elses actions, you can only control the way you react to that person. You have to understand that you don't need to agree with riot, that's okay. A lot of the players don't. But while you play their game, you abide by the rules the best you can, and if you're toxic, you get banned. You can safely vent out loud, without sending it to other players. You can curse all you want in your room. But the second you direct it at another player, you are in the wrong, according to riot's policies. And I doubt they're going to change that any time soon.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

I see that nobody understands what i am saying:)..well, this was expected.Idk how people like you guys think.

Hunts and Dips1 votes

You were saying being toxic when someone fucks up is ok. That's what I was getting from your long string of broken English.

Also that the report system can be abused (lol). If someone tries to incite you to be toxic and you stoop to their level, it's your own damn fault. That's not abusing the system, that's just being immature.

If that is wrong, please clarify for us what your wisdom has to offer.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Frig Off Lahey,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=x9m3PtTx,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-12-20T19:06:26.166+0000)

You were saying being toxic when someone fucks up is ok. That's what I was getting from your long string of broken English.

Also that the report system can be abused (lol). If someone tries to incite you to be toxic and you stoop to their level, it's your own damn fault. That's not abusing the system, that's just being immature.

If that is wrong, please clarify for us what your wisdom has to offer.

If you didn;t understand, my wisdom is not for you.I will give it another try,maybe, just maybe you can understand:).The point was this.People need to vent of in games..that's not toxicity..toxic=constant harrasment. When i say "man, you fcked up, you are an idiot" i'm actually doing this to vent off.See it from my point of view,i tryhard in a game, a really close game and you don;t even try to help me to win the game.That's total disrespect from you towards my play. And, if you find this reportable,well, your an immature person.Not me. Not being able to understand or take an insult, when you fck up, this is immature.

Hunts and Dips1 votes

Just because somebody pisses you off it doesn't give you the right to tell them off. It says this in the rules. What's so hard about that?

You're delusional lol

GamblerOfLives1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Frig Off Lahey,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=x9m3PtTx,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-20T23:36:31.444+0000)

Just because somebody pisses you off it doesn't give you the right to tell them off. It says this in the rules. What's so hard about that?

You're delusional lol

Ofc, bcs it gives them the right to piss me off..Your logic is beautifull

Super Nice Sam1 votes

But why you mad ?

Jubbinaut1 votes

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But,the problem is this, in game,when you tryhard,when you are fed, when you try to carry, and some guy, decides to stop playing,or throws unintentionally the game..ofc you need to vent off..it's very good for your mental health..Holding this in you,well,it's not good:)))

I've mentioned this elsewhere, but studies have indicated that "venting" actually creates more stress than it relieves. In short, while it's arguably better than "holding it in," it's still objectively not good for you.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

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I've mentioned this elsewhere, but studies have indicated that "venting" actually creates more stress than it relieves. In short, while it's arguably better than "holding it in," it's still objectively not good for you.

I can see your point. Still, I hold my position with this. This game, has become something different, from a casual game, where you could play 1-2 games with breaks, it has become more of gaming session.Let's say,you play 5 games a day. You can;t play them:1 game in the morning, 2 games in the afternoon and 3 games at nights. You need to play them all at once.Or else, you will be frustrated all day long bcs of a fcking game. You can;t vent off in games, and this is really bad.

I am here to say this, there is a huge difference when it comes to "toxicity".There is the harassment where someone spams the chat and there is the 1-2 words kind of "toxicity"(if you can even call it that). I mean,i had a game where someone was pinging me non stop to help him,at one point he said that the enemy has no flash.Knowing he has no flash, i ganked him but he got away:))..and the guy was blaming me.I'm sorry,but i said that he is an idiot:).There are alot of examples of this kind of players.

Bottom line is this.A system can;t make this difference.According to Riot rules report calling is a something "toxic".Well,i don;t think i ever had a game where someone didn;t actually said "report x".

GamblerOfLives1 votes

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I've mentioned this elsewhere, but studies have indicated that "venting" actually creates more stress than it relieves. In short, while it's arguably better than "holding it in," it's still objectively not good for you.

I read a bit the article,the problem is this. You can;t find anything else bcs guess what,you are in a game:),You can argue that you delay the venting, but this doesn;t work for me to be honest.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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I read a bit the article,the problem is this. You can;t find anything else bcs guess what,you are in a game:),You can argue that you delay the venting, but this doesn;t work for me to be honest.

That's not a problem with the system - that's a problem with you. It's your responsibility to find a way to handle that.

I'm not saying it's easy, only that it's something you need to find a way to deal with.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

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That's not a problem with the system - that's a problem with you. It's your responsibility to find a way to handle that.

I'm not saying it's easy, only that it's something you need to find a way to deal with.

Actually everybody has this problem.Not only me.As i said,i don't remember a game,where someone in my team or the enemy team didn;t say "report x".This is a way for them to vent off right?This means, everybody got this problem.I'm not a special case

Jubbinaut2 votes

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Actually everybody has this problem.Not only me.As i said,i don't remember a game,where someone in my team or the enemy team didn;t say "report x".This is a way for them to vent off right?This means, everybody got this problem.I'm not a special case

Yes, many other people have that problem. I don't see how that changes anything - it's still a personal problem. Not a systemic problem. Also, I think it's a little disingenuous to claim that everyone has that problem - obviously there are people who do not, because there are players who don't talk in game at all (or who are unfailingly positive or neutral in their games).

In my experience, most of the time people call for reports, it's because they incorrectly believe that more reports per game means a greater chance of punishment for the reported player. They aren't calling for reports because they need to "vent off," but because they believe the player in question deserves a punishment, and want to be sure that it happens. They're wrong about that, of course - the system builds cases based on the number of reported games, rather than the number of reports per game, but that doesn't change their intent.

GamblerOfLives1 votes

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Yes, many other people have that problem. I don't see how that changes anything - it's still a personal problem. Not a systemic problem. Also, I think it's a little disingenuous to claim that everyone has that problem - obviously there are people who do not, because there are players who don't talk in game at all (or who are unfailingly positive or neutral in their games).

In my experience, most of the time people call for reports, it's because they incorrectly believe that more reports per game means a greater chance of punishment for the reported player. They aren't calling for reports because they need to "vent off," but because they believe the player in question deserves a punishment, and want to be sure that it happens. They're wrong about that, of course - the system builds cases based on the number of reported games, rather than the number of reports per game, but that doesn't change their intent.

Actually, the reason why people say "report x" is, besides the fact they whant to vent off it's because they whant more people to agree with you.The more people agree with you, the better they feel, knowing they are not the only one who feel like that guy deserves a report.That's why they say this.

Jubbinaut2 votes

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Actually, the reason why people say "report x" is, besides the fact they whant to vent off it's because they whant more people to agree with you.The more people agree with you, the better they feel, knowing they are not the only one who feel like that guy deserves a report.That's why they say this.

I'm sure that some people think that way. But I doubt that most people do - much less everyone.

PIMPSMOOTH1 votes

I have no ideea why people think toxicity is a bad thing.

Stopped reading after this first sentence LMFAO!

GamblerOfLives1 votes

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I have no ideea why people think toxicity is a bad thing.

Stopped reading after this first sentence LMFAO!

Glad you did,this means this thread is not for you

Korillo1 votes

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I have no ideea why people think toxicity is a bad thing.

Really? You don't know why being toxic is a bad thing?

It's not wrong to say this: "well,bro,you fcking lost the game,you are a fcking idiot"

It actually is wrong, very wrong. You are personally attacking him for a decision made in the game. Whether he made a mistake in game or not doesn't give you the right to call him a "fcking idiot." It's never ok to talk to someone in this way in any situation.

But,the problem is this, in game,when you tryhard,when you are fed, when you try to carry, and some guy, decides to stop playing,or throws unintentionally the game..ofc you need to vent off..it's very good for your mental health..Holding this in you,well,it's not good:)))

Venting and verbally attacking another player are 2 very different things.

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