Need other league players input in an unbiased manner.

ionst0rm·Jul 23, 2018·1 votes·1,212 views

I was in a game earlier in the day i played luc with a lux support vs a vel'koz and a jhin.

First, the lux refused to help leash blue for the jg. While she refused she started to shove the wave in. Needless to say a medium ranged adc vs a vel/jhin.

I asked her to stop. She continued to do it. I had to B early. I came back to lane and she did it again and again and again. I couldn't farm for anything. She'd q/e waves under tower forcing last hitting to be impossible. After that point of asking politely 4 times and she still kept doing it i flamed like no other because that was costing the lane/game. What are the acceptable things to do. Leave, afk out. Flame the player. Or play through when you can't even go back to lane literally rendering you useless as your team refuses to ff. Then you get a chat restriction. Is riot in the wrong providing a chat restriction.

21 Comments

ModKnightsKemplarJul 23, 201812 votes

Riot is not in the wrong to issue a chat restriction.

The thing to do is keep calm, realize there is nothing you can do to alter the Lux's behavior, play the best you can, and use the report button on the end screen.

Even if Riot wanted to, they simply can't punish the Lux in the middle of the game (for pretty obvious reasons). You just have to do your part to adhere to the Summoner's Code and use the in-game systems to report bad actors.

disregardableJul 23, 20182 votes

The thing to do is keep calm, realize there is nothing you can do to alter the Lux's behavior, play the best you can, and use the report button on the end screen.

And it'll do nothing. It's not against the rules to last hit minions, to not bring a supp item, to play a carry in the support position, none of it. Supports can ruin their ADCs games all they want, especially if they only ever play support via autofill.

ModKnightsKemplarJul 23, 20185 votes

I don't know where you got that info, but it's wrong. Riot punishes people all the time for ruining games and being pleasant in chat. Best smites on the PB sub-board, 10/10 most of the time.

disregardableJul 23, 20182 votes

experience. how many times it's happened to me (once every 20 games minimum) vs. how many times I get instant feedback (never) vs. how many times I've seen it on this board since I got back (never).

Yeah, yeah, I saw the guy that hit the front page of reddit, went off to troll in the jg despite queueing supp, and that's exactly why he got banned. not because he trolled hundreds of games and got reported hundreds of times, no. because he hit the front page of reddit.

ChermorgJul 23, 20184 votes

The issue is that you feeling your game ruined does not equate to them ruining it.

Unless you can prove they have intentionally tried to ruin your game, you can't expect them to get punished.

disregardableJul 23, 20182 votes

But why are things that ruin the game for the ADC, like the supp taking CS, not considered trolling? It makes no sense. :)

ChermorgJul 23, 20183 votes

Because simply put most ADCs in League do not expect CS, and most ADC's don't have this idea that the support is there to be their "bitch" for lack of a better term.

disregardableJul 23, 20183 votes

riiiight...

DrCyanideJul 23, 20184 votes

Because simply put most ADCs in League do not expect CS

Citation needed. You can have item 3302 and still get ADC's that complain about you taking CS.

ChermorgJul 23, 20183 votes

This is the big problem. ADCs who expect CS.

ADC used to be a role where if you didn't get CS, it was because you weren't skilled enough. Now, players are too arrogant to admit they can't last hit properly and blame their support. It's horrible.

DrCyanideJul 23, 20181 votes

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Because simply put most ADCs in League do not expect CS

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ADCs who expect CS.

Pick one, because you've contradicted yourself here.

ChermorgJul 23, 20182 votes

Most ADCs do not expect it. Almost every ADC I meet still treats CSing as their responsibility.

However, the extremely small minority who treat the support like their bitch and blame them have caused this mentality of ADCs who think CSing isn't their responsibility. They still think last hitting is their job, but will blame others any chance they get. It has led to supports being forced into a meta, and it's the reason for autofill indirectly (originally because nobody wanted to support).

They are not contradictions at all. The very small minority of ADCs who expect CS are the problem that has led to the massive problems of botlane demands.

VoldymortJul 23, 20181 votes

experience. how many times it's happened to me (once every 20 games minimum) vs. how many times I get instant feedback (never) vs. how many times I've seen it on this board since I got back (never).

http://www.conservapedia.com/Black-swan_fallacy

The black-swan fallacy is an inductive fallacy that states that if something has not occurred within the speaker's experience, it cannot occur. In other words, the fallacy states that just because something has always been a certain way in the speaker's experience, it is always that way as a matter of universal principle. The example that gave its name to the fallacy is "Every swan that I have ever seen is white; therefore, there are no black swans."

https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2015/10/13/103073957-GettyImages-475064080.jpg?v=1483631044

disregardableJul 23, 20181 votes

1 sentence later: Yeah, yeah, I saw the guy that hit the front page of reddit.

...

VoldymortJul 23, 20181 votes

and later on in that same sentence...

and that's exactly why he got banned. not because he trolled hundreds of games and got reported hundreds of times, no. because he hit the front page of reddit.

again... just because .in your experience, it doesn't happen unless it hits reddit front page, it doesn't mean that is the only condition for it to happen

disregardableJul 23, 20181 votes

it doesn't mean that is the only condition for it to happen

I didn't say that it was. it seems like you learned a new thing and are trying to apply it to everything you see.

VoldymortJul 23, 20181 votes

I didn't say that it was.

yes you did. you said reports do nothing because in your experience, your reports didn't

if you're going to argue, at least keep track of your own arguments...

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Kei143Jul 23, 20182 votes

It's true that a CSing carry support with no support items alone is not a punishable offense.

The intent of ruining games is the hardest to prove. If they are just bad, nothing will happen to them.

TheEvilQueen135Jul 23, 20185 votes

flaming is not okay. you had every right to ask her to stop, and that's fine but flaming is crossing that line into punishment territory. the appropriate thing to do is go help out other teammates, ask the jungle if you can take some smaller camps, stick it out, mute?, and report post game.

ÐreamdateJul 23, 20181 votes

Unfortunately nothing rude against you but the lower the elo the less people know about the lane / game mechanics - Top of all that there isn't anything about her CSing to say it was malicious, she maybe wanted to do her part and get gold to get items. Eventho it is RANK with no standard rules to CSing or laneing - Til RIOT writes the rules then there is nothing they can do to the Lux or any other player who even does this on purpose. Maybe one day RIOT will do something to fix its many issues in rank.... but don't hold your breath cause as u have seen in your span of the game.. the game continues to be more toxic with more feeders/afkers/laggers/dcers/ragers -