Words only hurt you because you allow them to hurt you.

Warlord Rhinark·May 7, 2018·11 votes·4,208 views

This is just a friendly reminder before you report anyone for being racist, sexist, homophobic, or just a general nuisance.

Just remember what these people are doing.

They're not threatening you in anyway. They're not menacing you with a knife or holding you at gunpoint.

No.

All these people are doing is just pressing their fingers on a keyboard.

Your only reason to be offended by what they type is because you want to be offended by what they type.

I genuinely believe that the problem of toxicity lies not in the people saying bad words, but in the people taking offense to those same words.

But this is all just my opinion though. Feel free to post your own thoughts about what you get offended by and why you think you get offended by them.

(Also, just to clarify, this is not a "Support toxicity" post. I too believe the game would be better off without it. I just think people are taking these allegedly "toxic people" a bit extremely.)

95 Comments

ChermorgMay 7, 201813 votes

People play League to have fun, not to have insults thrown at them. Insults are not insulting because the recipient sees them that way - something is either insulting or not.

Warlord RhinarkMay 7, 20184 votes

something is either insulting or not

I will have to disagree. There are no known limits (as far as I know) to what people can be insulted by.

For example, I can be insulted by you saying "Hello" to me. Doesn't that mean that it is the recipient that finds it insulting, or is it just automatically insulting for all people?

ChermorgMay 7, 20187 votes

There is a difference between you being insulted by something and it being insulting or not.

Something being insulting in nature does not necessarily mean it will insult you specifically - it just means it has the tendency to be insulting towards most people. Likewise, you may very well be insulted by something that doesn’t insult the average person - thus it’s not insulting but you’re still insulted by it.

Riot operates on a principle of what the community wants, it gets. If the community finds a certain behavior insulting, your personal level of insult by the phrase does not matter.

Warlord RhinarkMay 7, 20184 votes

Then again, how many words are truly "insulting in nature"? Is it just the community that decides that?

So technically, one day, (and this is just a hypothetical situation), if the community all decides together that the word "Bread" is insulting, would it then become a reportable offense to type "Bread"?

In that case, there are no limits to what can be insulting, therefore there are would be no words that are "insulting in nature" for ALL words would be "insulting in nature" by then.

I might sound completely incompetent, and I apologize if I do. I'm just curious.

ChermorgMay 7, 20187 votes

Yes, just as the “community” (i.e. society) determines what words mean. Saying “the word tree doesn’t refer to a large plant-kingdom organism with leaves and generally seeds” doesn’t make it true.

If the word bread somehow became insulting to the majority of the community (ex: let’s say it got racial tones or something of that nature) then yes, it would be punishable to say it. It is similar to how other racially charged things are prohibited (ex: saying “Asian sounding” words such as chng and things like that).

AccursêdMay 8, 20182 votes

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People play League to have fun, not to have insults thrown at them. Insults are not insulting because the recipient sees them that way - something is either insulting or not.

While I don't agree with the examples OP provided, something being insulting IS subjective, there is no de facto solution for that. There are many things that could insult people that wouldn't insult others, like if you came up to me and called me an asshole, I wouldn't be offended, but others might be.

Arisha the DarkMay 7, 201810 votes

Disagree. Just because words don't hurt you, doesn't mean you should be allowed to harass people all you want. I don't know where you from, but where I from if you are in a train and you start telling random people that they are idiots, you will be escorted out of that train and probably entire metro station.

It's called rules of proper behaviour. And yes, if you keep harassing people in that same metro, you will get arrested and won't be allowed to go into that metro. In this game it's getting banned.

Warlord RhinarkMay 7, 20183 votes

To specify, I did not say I wanted people to continue being toxic and harass all they want in this post. At all. I do not know where you read that, but you certainly didn't read it in this post.

I completely agree. People beings dicks are, well, dicks, and they should totally stop with the "being dicks" part. But people also need to realise that this is just a game and that these "dicks" aren't in any position to actually hurt you. They're just that. Dicks. Not a serial murderer.

My problem just lies with people that can't handle being called something they "don't like". Sure, it's not a nice thing to do, but it's not like the world is ending or anything.

AeroWaffleMay 7, 20188 votes

People aren't treating them like serial murderers. They're treating them like dicks. Being banned from an online video game is not the end of the world.

Warlord RhinarkMay 7, 20183 votes

I will have to agree. It is not.

hshtagniemehrcduMay 7, 20183 votes

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I completely agree. People beings dicks are, well, dicks, and they should totally stop with the "being dicks" part. But people also need to realise that this is just a game and that these "dicks" aren't in any position to actually hurt you. They're just that. Dicks. Not a serial murderer.

I have never seen someone claim that he was actually offended by a flamer. Not once. This is an "argument" made up by players who want to behave like total assholes with no fear of punishment. People don't report because they are "offended".

They do it, because having some whiny little kid (not referring to physical age) constantly whining about how bad everyone is, is simply annyoing.

Imagine your door makes a loud screeching noise everytime you open it. You aren't "offended" if you fix that door, just annoyed enough to bother. It is the same with the flamers here. I'm playing a video game, and some whiny kid spamming the chat with his tears is a completly unnecessary distraction at best.

Warlord RhinarkMay 7, 20181 votes

Oh boy if only we had a button that automatically makes it so you can't even see the words these "kids" type.

I bet my door doesn't have that function.

But in all seriousness, I think it is wrong to take away someone's right to play the game just because they said "some mean words". Sure it's not a nice thing to do, but muting them should fix the problem.

You can succeed in making the other person shut up (muting them), but you don't have to make them fail in the process (banning them).

hshtagniemehrcduMay 7, 20183 votes

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Oh boy if only we had a button that automatically makes it so you can't even see the words these "kids" type.

I bet my door doesn't have that function.

I dont want to hear someone crying every time that i then have to mute. By the time i have to mute someone, the damage is done, so that's no excuse. Just because you can do something against it, doesn'T mean its fine that you are forced to do it every so often. And i can do NOTHING against these mentally weak people tilting and dragging down my teammates with them. NOTHING at all.

But in all seriousness, I think it is wrong to take away someone's right to play the game just because they said "some mean words". Sure it's not a nice thing to do, but muting them should fix the problem.

It's not "some" mean words, it is consitently crying over dozens of games. In my opinion, it is perfetly fine to throw someone out who has these kinds of massive social problems. And no, muting does NOT fix the problem, as not everyone mutes them. And even if they all did, having one player afk writing all match and completly loosing focus on the game, is nothing but direct sabotage on their part.

You can succeed in making the other person shut up (muting them), but you don't have to make them fail in the process (banning them).

Or maybe they could just learn how to behave liek decent human beings. That'S really not hard. If they cant do that, one LoL account is the **least **of their worries.

deathgod5May 7, 20187 votes

The problem is we don't really decide what offends us in many situations.

For example:

If you are black and grew up next to a house of kkk members, the N word will most likely offend you. If you were sexually assaulted and somebody insists to tell you all the rape jokes he knows, it will offend you and maybe remind you of a trauma. If you were thrown out of your house because your parents didn't want to live with a gay person; people using the f*g word will most likely offend you.

Please note while this doesn't have to be true, but if things like this recently happened, people will often get mad by these words.

There was a post on these boards a year or so ago where a person wanted his account unbanned because he snapped in a game. He snapped because somebody made fun of his mother, she just happened to have died that day and he snapped because of this. Insults of this level can just offend people.

Insults on that level can actually trigger people(not the version that many people of the internet claim, the actual PTSD flashbacks).

As for lower level insults:" you suck, you are terrible, you are noob, etc". I agree with you here, people get mad too easily. Just mute and move on and if you think they are genuinely not trying anymore because of the type wars, I report them. I only report those if I feel that they stop other people from playing by getting them into typing wars.

Edit : the answer I agree with part of this post is not between these answers, so I can't vote for that one, sorry.

Sona PingMay 7, 20181 votes

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deathgod5May 7, 20182 votes

Didn't mean it that way, I'll try to write it in a way that is more clear.

NocturnalSheildMay 8, 20182 votes

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The problem is we don't really decide what offends us in many situations.

For example:

If you are black and grew up next to a house of kkk members, the N word will most likely offend you. If you were sexually assaulted and somebody insists to tell you all the rape jokes he knows, it will offend you and maybe remind you of a trauma. If you were thrown out of your house because your parents didn't want to live with a gay person; people using the f*g word will most likely offend you.

Please note while this doesn't have to be true, but if things like this recently happened, people will often get mad by these words.

There was a post on these boards a year or so ago where a person wanted his account unbanned because he snapped in a game. He snapped because somebody made fun of his mother, she just happened to have died that day and he snapped because of this. Insults of this level can just offend people.

Insults on that level can actually trigger people(not the version that many people of the internet claim, the actual PTSD flashbacks).

As for lower level insults:" you suck, you are terrible, you are noob, etc". I agree with you here, people get mad too easily. Just mute and move on and if you think they are genuinely not trying anymore because of the type wars, I report them. I only report those if I feel that they stop other people from playing by getting them into typing wars.

Edit : the answer I agree with part of this post is not between these answers, so I can't vote for that one, sorry.

So dont tell any jokes at all. Because if thats your attitude LITERALLY ANYTHING could "trigger" someone.

Also you didnt seriously belive that guy that said his mother died right? You must be new to the internet.

deathgod5May 9, 20181 votes

No there is a diffrence between jokes and what I am against. There are of course always things that can trigger people, but these are things that you can't prepare for.

In the game, I am against the use of words that are literally meant to be direct triggers to a large part of the current player base. Using n*gg*r f*gg*t and rape in game are not jokes, they are words meant to directly offend/distract. These words automatically offend people and people abuse this in the hope to ruin other peoples days, I am against THAT.

You are free using these words/jokes in real life and I do think there are situations where the peoples complaining about being triggered are at fault. As a matter of fact I even agree with part of the statement above as I said here:

As for lower level insults:" you suck, you are terrible, you are noob, etc". I agree with you here, people get mad too easily. Just mute and move on and if you think they are genuinely not trying anymore because of the type wars, I report them. I only report those if I feel that they stop other people from playing by getting them into typing wars.

Other things that I think that make the offended party look like they are just looking to find offense are also not things I am against:

If you watch idubbbz and you complain that he is offensive while still watching him you are at fault.
If you watch a Jim Jeffries comedy show and you keep watching only to get more offended at some of the more risque jokes you are at fault.
If the word gank triggers you and you still play league, you are at fault.
Whatever this lawsuit was https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pug-nazi-salute-youtube-video-owner-guilty-hate-crime-mark-meechan-lanarkshire-a8265301.html , I am against the verdict.

However, if you play a game and your fellow players try to intentionally use words they know to be intentionally offensive against others in the hope to offend them, they are at fault. Offending people is not the goal of the game or strategically relevant, so players have the right to be annoyed with you. At this point these rules apply for as far as I am concerned: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png

As for the mother story, for as far as I can remember the chat logs were something like this:

don't you dare talk about my mother this way you fucking have no rights to talk to her you %%%%%% She died

So I considered his story possible at least. You might disagree.

As for the part of me saying you should never joke around, I never said that anywhere.

NocturnalSheildMay 9, 20183 votes

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No there is a diffrence between jokes and what I am against. There are of course always things that can trigger people, but these are things that you can't prepare for.

In the game, I am against the use of words that are literally meant to be direct triggers to a large part of the current player base. Using n*gg*r f*gg*t and rape in game are not jokes, they are words meant to directly offend/distract. These words automatically offend people and people abuse this in the hope to ruin other peoples days, I am against THAT.

You are free using these words/jokes in real life and I do think there are situations where the peoples complaining about being triggered are at fault. As a matter of fact I even agree with part of the statement above as I said here:

Other things that I think that make the offended party look like they are just looking to find offense are also not things I am against:

If you watch idubbbz and you complain that he is offensive while still watching him you are at fault.

If you watch a Jim Jeffries comedy show and you keep watching only to get more offended at some of the more risque jokes you are at fault.

If the word gank triggers you and you still play league, you are at fault.

Whatever this lawsuit was https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/pug-nazi-salute-youtube-video-owner-guilty-hate-crime-mark-meechan-lanarkshire-a8265301.html , I am against the verdict.

However, if you play a game and your fellow players try to intentionally use words they know to be intentionally offensive against others in the hope to offend them, they are at fault. Offending people is not the goal of the game or strategically relevant, so players have the right to be annoyed with you. At this point these rules apply for as far as I am concerned: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/free_speech.png

As for the mother story, for as far as I can remember the chat logs were something like this: you fucking have no rights to talk to her you %%%%%% She died

So I considered his story possible at least. You might disagree.

As for the part of me saying you should never joke around, I never said that anywhere.

Offending people is not the goal of the game or strategically relevant, so players have the right to be annoyed with you.

Ah see thats where you and i disagree.

What is the goal of the game? To win.

What makes the game easier to win? Players playing poorly.

What is an easy way to make players play poorly especially people with thin skin? Insult them

Thus insulting people could directly lead to more games being won thus making it my eyes strategically relevant.

Course what do know. I have almost non existent empathy.

deathgod5May 9, 20181 votes

I am talking about the people that use those insults on their own team tho. Like no strategic advantage there.

In all chat use, I can see why people would say it but then again all chat is literally only a place for people to be toxic. I would probably still ban it though because it still makes a company look rather bad when they allow things like that to be said over all chat.

GabresolMay 7, 20187 votes

You literally sign a agreement with riot when creating your account stating that your behavoir follow the summoner code.

This is like gettinf fired for stealing from your office and then go to yourt saying "The company is too big to get hurt by my stealing toilet paper, pens, printing cartridges, keyboards and so on."

When you break your side of the agreement, players are supposed to inform riot, because they are then allowed to revoke their side of the agreement of letting you play their game!

La Belle SauvageMay 8, 20186 votes

I'm an adult who hold a excellent job and I've been married to the love of my life going on 20 years. By no means should anything typed in chat or posted here should bother me. Mostly because all of you are faceless strangers on the internet.

And sure a majority of the time nothing much bothers me since I'm secure in who I am and because I'm in a loving relationship.

Yet, sometimes I do get mad. Because, I'm human and every now and then words, from anyone who directs them at me, can offend me.

That's how the human race works on a super simplified scale. We exchange ideas and thoughts and the further away those words, ideas, thoughts are from our morals, cultural norms, and expectations of what is considered proper behavior, is what drives most of us to offense.

When any of us say we are not offended publicly on a board or in a chat all we are really saying is "I'm not getting into it with you here".

That's why the report system is in place and is a good idea.

And by the way words and phrases like Kill yourself, %%%%%%, slut, whore, Bitch, %%%%, and dick, and so on, are meant to be offensive, independent of the person.

If I write "fuck you", I mean it to be offensive. It's obvious I mean it that way too.

Your premise is a large rationalization that the problem is with the person on the receiving end of an offensive word or phrase. Which I disagree with.

Worst you seem to say that only physical threats are valid. That's laughable too. "They're not threatening you in anyway. They're not menacing you with a knife or holding you at gunpoint."

Show me a person who truly is unaffected by words all the time, "✓who has a disregard for and violation of the rights of others" (like your premise) and I'll show you you a person who loosely exhibits some of the aspects of a sociopath.

✓ paraphrased and taken out of context from: "https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/antisocial-personality-disorder"

Kei143May 7, 20185 votes

Sometimes I report not because i am offended, but more of the act of defending others and wanting to clean up the community as i know what is said can be highly offensive to others.

ArammusMay 7, 20183 votes

im from austria. the amount of times ppl call me nazi is unbelievable. i dont care at all i laugh about it... i still report it. because IF they get a ban, i laugh even harder :D

SkaiBladeMay 8, 20183 votes

It's not about whether it hurts, it's the intention to hurt that I report. "The attempt is punishable".

Pika FoxMay 7, 20182 votes

While it is true that these words and actions only have power if you let them and theres something to be said for constanly overreacting against pure words to give them more strength and power, it doesnt make it acceptable behavior. You can nullify the persons power and make their efforts worthless by not responding to them, but they still dont deserve to play LoL.

Warlord RhinarkMay 7, 20181 votes

It's interesting that you think like that.

I'd like to know your opinion. How come you don't think people should be allowed to play the exact same free game as yourself, just because they said some "mean" words?

Pika FoxMay 7, 20184 votes

Because theyre still dicks. If you want to be a dick to someone, well, you dont get to play. If it was a game you paid for, id be more inclined to be on your side, but since payment in LoL is optional, i cant justify it at all.

This Is Your DadMay 8, 20182 votes

Can I turn it back on you and ask, "If I'm not supposed to get offended by these comments, why are you making them?" Calling me a racial slur and telling me to drink bleach serves no purpose outside of trying to upset me. So we hit a wall: "How dare you get offended by the words I am attempting to offend you with!"

Warlord RhinarkMay 8, 20181 votes

To be fair, I never wrote in this post that I support toxicity. I too want it gone as much as you probably do.

The thing is, I don't necessarily think we should take away someone's right to play the game just because they typed some "mean words". I respect their decision to play the game, and I wouldn't take it away from them.

Besides, if the words get "too much to handle" we can always just mute them. That solves the problem. Why ruin their day by banning their account in the process as well?

La Belle SauvageMay 8, 20181 votes

The fact you call them "mean words" contradicts your premise, otherwise you'd call them just words.

People have a right offended by whatever.

And you have a right to write, type, and say offensive words and phrases. But you do not have the right to be protected from the consequences of your actions. Furthermore, no one can control what anyone else considers to be offensive.

You're arguing a losing point.

Warlord RhinarkMay 8, 20181 votes

Okay let me get this straight.

You have the right to write, type, and say offensive words and phrases, as you described, correct?

But then you say there's a consequence with writing, typing, or saying these offensive words and phrases.

Then why the hell even make it a right in the first place?

I'm sorry if I sound incompetent, I really just want to learn what you're saying.

La Belle SauvageMay 8, 20182 votes

No apologies, you don't sound incompetent, my writing is. What sounds clear to me or in my head doesn't always come across in posts. It's a small part of why I post here.

I was trying to cover bases in case you claimed a right to write whatever you want by first by acknowledging that right and following it up with my rebuttal, aka "there are consequences to your actions regardless of your right..."

This Is Your DadMay 8, 20181 votes

Words don't usually become "too much to handle" in the sense you're suggesting. Honestly it's annoying because I know chances are the people that are going around calling people slurs and threatening people online are actually pathetic in real life. If someone tells me to kill myself I don't get offended in the sense that I think I just might listen to a random online stranger. The problem is it is not part of the game and makes no sense. It's useless. There was one time someone told me to kill myself and I said okay fine, and I afked. You know what they did? They all chatted "report him for afk". Like seriously? You cannot win with these people, and they make the game unplayable, because not only do they "type mean words" they also tend to throw games and feed on purpose if their mean words are ignored or jokingly taken seriously.

Warlord RhinarkMay 8, 20181 votes

Typing in the chat, is in fact, a part of the game. Whatever is typed in the chat, whether it be actual team coordination, or just flaming, it's still part of the game. It might be useless, but so are skins and mastery emotes.

And you saying you "Cannot win with these people" also shows you are kind of pathetic yourself. That you feel the need to win over other people doesn't make you more of an ideal person than them (in my opinion).

While I agree that them throwing games and feeding is indeed not justifiable by any means, I also don't think it is justifiable that you afk in a game of League of Legends, even if someone wanted you to.

This Is Your DadMay 8, 20181 votes

Winning over your teammates is required if you're not smurfing a bronze game from diamond and above. You need as much of a chance to win as you can get. But these people want to lose to spite you so they are inherently bad for the game and need to be kicked out.

Warlord RhinarkMay 8, 20181 votes

I'm afraid we're mixing feeders and trolls with flamers here which wasn't my intention at all.

This Is Your DadMay 8, 20181 votes

Ironically they tend to be the same thing. I had an 11 or so death zed accuse me of intentionally feeding with a total of I think 3 deaths and 5 kills/7 assists and he was just a raging at me, telling me my parents should have aborted, spamming the "report nunu for x" he was report buying too, trying to stack multiple reports against me saying "if we all report him he'll get banned". He was easily the worst one on our team, and also happened to be the flaming asshole. So...

Automated RivenMay 8, 20182 votes

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the word 'right'. Nobody has the right to play league. Riot has the right to allow whomever they want to play league. It is riots property. That's like asking 'how can you take away that poor guys right from being in your house, he only called your wife a whore and your daughter a white trash slut and told you to kill yourself. This is unfair, you should have plugged your ears so what he said didn't offend you. You don't have to listen to him'.

Warlord RhinarkMay 8, 20181 votes

First of all, I want to apologize that I have probably misused the word "right". Sorry about that.

Second of all, I didn't even know it was someones right to be in my house whenever they want.

Third of all, yes. I don't think people should take what this man is saying seriously. You only get offended by what he is saying, because you want to be offended by what he is saying. I would just ignore it.

Automated RivenMay 8, 20181 votes

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Second of all, I didn't even know it was someones right to be in my house whenever they want.

This was my point. Just like nobody has a right to be on your property, or use something of yours, without your consent. You, nor anyone else, has the right to play league without riots consent. So nobody's 'rights' are being effected when someone is banned.

Warlord RhinarkMay 8, 20181 votes

Aye. My mistake. I'm not really that good when it comes to when something is a "right" or not. I'm glad someone like you can teach me.

But even though nobodies rights are affected, I still think it's a bit harsh of a treatment for someone who's just typed some words on a keyboard.

Again. This is just my opinion.

NocturnalSheildMay 8, 20181 votes

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You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the word 'right'. Nobody has the right to play league. Riot has the right to allow whomever they want to play league. It is riots property. That's like asking 'how can you take away that poor guys right from being in your house, he only called your wife a whore and your daughter a white trash slut and told you to kill yourself. This is unfair, you should have plugged your ears so what he said didn't offend you. You don't have to listen to him'.

Rights are an iffy thing though. And if you give people an inch of your right the will take a mile.

Just like universitys were trying to set up free speech zones where you had the "right" to free speech.

Except the zone was in a seldom used parking lot 2 miles away from the campus.

If you allow riot to take away your right to insult whats next? Comedians being permanently banned from europe due to jokes? Oh wait that actually just happened because speech is under attack.

Automated RivenMay 8, 20181 votes

First of all. You always have the right of free speech in America. It's granted to us by the Constitution in the first amendment. Secondly, as much as you have the right to insult people as much as you want, riot is not required to let you do that in their game. Riot has every right to say 'if your gonna be a dick you may not play our game' just like I have the right to tell someone 'if your gonna be a dick you may not be in my house'. None of these infringe on someone's right to free speech. Someone's rights to free speech does not mean that they are exempt from a mutual legal agreement which they signed in order to gain permission to play the game.

Also Europe does not have the right to free speech. There is nowhere which allows them that right.

Sir PrepuziusMay 8, 20182 votes

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Your only reason to be offended by what they type is because you want to be offended by what they type.

what?

I genuinely believe that the problem of toxicity lies not in the people saying bad words, but in the people taking offense to those same words.

uh?

when i play and i'm focused and i wanna win, the last thing i need is my own teammate putting me down/harassing/flaming/insulting/ whatever

i just don't want any shit from someone i don't even know, when i'm trying my best at having fun.

i don't need a 14 yo telling me i'm noob or i have to kill myself, am i at fault because that annoyes me? really?

Warlord RhinarkMay 8, 20181 votes

Hey, y'all know what a "Myoot buhttuhn" is?

Now here's the thing. I don't think you are at fault for finding it annoying. Everyone finds something annoying and you know what?

That's fine.

I just think people are being a bit harsh over these people who's actually done nothing but press some keys on their keyboard and suddenly should have their account taken away from them. They're just playing a game, you know?

Just like you are.

Just like I am.

Just like we all are.

And they get it taken away from them because someone found what they typed "mean".

HalcyonDwellerMay 8, 20181 votes

Not really just like we are. We play the game to have fun, not to ruin the fun of it for others. People who go out of their way to insult and demean others are specifically trying to ruin other peoples' day.

Warlord RhinarkMay 8, 20181 votes

Well.

This is where opinions come in.

I believe that the one ruining the fun is actually the person taking offense to what is being said. I'm not trying to justify what these people are typing, but if you truly wanted to actually have fun, you'd just mute them and ignore what they're saying.

But when you start taking offense, you're not only ruining the experience for others, you're also, most importantly, ruining it for yourself. You want to be offended by what is being typed. You no longer want to have fun at that point.

HalcyonDwellerMay 8, 20182 votes

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I genuinely believe that the problem of toxicity lies not in the people saying bad words, but in the people taking offense to those same words.

I think that both of these are wrong actually. It comes down to the intent of the people saying the things. You could call me a cuddlypuff cutie or something horrendously offensive. Neither will offend me if I know you're joking. Meanwhile both would offend me if I knew your only intent in saying them was to ruin my day or make me feel crappy.

breakordoom444May 8, 20182 votes

You can't force people to take things less seriously or encourage them, people have the right to be offended.

let's say you are black, will you be happy if i call you a N***er offensively? let's say you are part of the LGBT community, will you be happy if I called you a "gay whore"? and a couple of things that keep on going.

I agree with your title, words only hurt if you want them to. even if flaming wasn't bannable, it only makes your team mad at you and could potentially lose you the game.