Riot: Our intentional feed system detect and ban feeders usually after 1 game.

LegendmakerGX·Dec 3, 2016·70 votes·8,664 views

Is this suppose to be a joke? After 3 games of him feeding you would think your system is smart enough to detect a person going 0/13 death in over 7 games but I guess this picture proves that it sucks. I guess the system needs at least 10 game that are feeding to actually ban him.

Moderate don't even dare take this post down, I followed the guide line and make sure no name was in the picture so don't dare abuse power to cover up this B.S. Funny part is he is even laughing in chat saying how he doesn't even get ban yet.

ClapClap* Riot your intentional feed system is a fine work of art~ Tell Lyte he did a fantastic job.

Also no I'm not going to waste time to submit a support ticket when your intentional feed system should not even be this bad and down right trash to not be able to detect this.

103 Comments

MUSHROOM MIDGETDec 3, 201641 votes

there used to be a guy i would check on op.gg who fed hundreds of ranked games in a row over more than a year before riot finally got him. their system takes a long time to catch intentional feeders. but dont you dare say a negative thing to him. you will be disciplined immediately.

General Esdeath Dec 4, 20167 votes

Hey man, feeding only makes you angry. BUT RUDE WORDS?!? WHAT KIND OF MONSTER ARE YOU?!?

NicktoonsDec 4, 201621 votes

He probably caused more than 50 people to get banned or punished for toxicity within that time span.

LegendmakerGXDec 4, 201617 votes

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He probably caused more than 50 people to get banned or punished for toxicity within that time span.

Well with the player base logic they will say, "Just because he Intentionally feed, troll and afk you shouldn't harass him since he might be a poor soul who has a innocent heart".

It Hertz When IPDec 4, 20166 votes

More along the lines of "one person being a dipshit doesn't grant you free rights to be a dipshit". Kinda the definition of maturity.

That being said, people like that guy are why I scream at my computer until my family looks at me weirdly.

koreansmurf8751Dec 5, 20162 votes

as a guy permabanned for this twice, thank you for not being brain dead fucking saints that think "toxicity" is always what it seems

ModUlanopoDec 3, 201617 votes

The problem here is that, without being able to see the name, we can't get context and you can't post the name because of the rule against name-and-shame.

The simplest solution is simply to put in a support ticket. "But Ulanopo," you reply, "I already said that I wasn't going to do that because I shouldn't have to bother. The system should have caught him by now." Maybe it has.

You could always check his honor. If it's zero or very low, it was reset due to a punishment. If it wasn't, what's the harm in helping out the community? The Intentional feeding detection system is the youngest and the least stable of the systems. It's reports and tickets that give them more data for the system.

The Instant Feedback system didn't just appear overnight. It needed millions of Tribunal cases to create the needed database.

Given how passionate you are, it shouldn't be that big a problem to lend a hand.

LegendmakerGXDec 3, 20164 votes

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The problem here is that, without being able to see the name, we can't get context and you can't post the name because of the rule against name-and-shame.

The simplest solution is simply to put in a support ticket. "But Ulanopo," you reply, "I already said that I wasn't going to do that because I shouldn't have to bother. The system should have caught him by now." Maybe it has.

You could always check his honor. If it's zero or very low, it was reset due to a punishment. If it wasn't, what's the harm in helping out the community? The Intentional feeding detection system is the youngest and the least stable of the systems. It's reports and tickets that give them more data for the system.

The Instant Feedback system didn't just appear overnight. It needed millions of Tribunal cases to create the needed database.

Given how passionate you are, it shouldn't be that big a problem to lend a hand.

I've lost faith in the Support ticket long time ago, did you ever read a post where I had over 100 up vote talking about how a person said he would so called "I will slit your throat your family throat and your dog throat" over a game? Ya I send a ticket submitted it with 4 picture of proof and told Rioter there is extremely more proof in the game chat where he threat to come to my house to cut my throat and my family over a game. These type of people who threat or intentionally feed does not deserve a second chance especially when they fed over 5 games 6* since after this post he intentionally fed on purpose his next game.

Seeing how a guy who threat to come to my house kill a person over a game and was able to fully use the word slit YOU your FAMILY and your DOG throat with out getting permanent ban with 4 picture of proof and the game he was in made me lose hope in submitting a ticket.

Also you're telling me that this guy can go a full day of intentional feeding which he did right here without being detected at all until 1 whole day while ruining over 30 players games?

Note* He is still playing right now so I highly doubt he will get ban any time soon, it's funny that people like Therainman/Shaclone get permanent ban after 1 game of feeding (Shaclone fed more then 1 game yes but he didn't do it in a row or not at least 5 times) but some how this guy has done over 6 games of intentional feeding which must have amount to over 20 report in the intentional feed section in a row is not ban yet.

ModUlanopoDec 4, 20168 votes

I know it's easy to become cynical. There are times when I look at the board and struggle to find an opportunity to even potentially help, much less affect real change. Then I try to remind myself that despair is easy. Real strength is doing the correct thing, even when it feels awful, even when it seems useless, even when it does nothing to make you feel better.

WARNING: Incoming tautology: You do the right thing for no other reason than it is the right thing to do.

As far as this situation goes, you have two choices:

Do nothing and have a 0% chance that things will get better.
Do something and have a minuscule chance that things will get better.

We know my choice. YMMV.

ReadyxPlayerxOneDec 4, 20161 votes

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I know it's easy to become cynical. There are times when I look at the board and struggle to find an opportunity to even potentially help, much less affect real change. Then I try to remind myself that despair is easy. Real strength is doing the correct thing, even when it feels awful, even when it seems useless, even when it does nothing to make you feel better.

WARNING: Incoming tautology: You do the right thing for no other reason than it is the right thing to do.

As far as this situation goes, you have two choices:

Do nothing and have a 0% chance that things will get better.

Do something and have a minuscule chance that things will get better.

We know my choice. YMMV.

I'd argue that doing the right thing isn't always the correct thing to do. Most certainly when the "right" thing to do isn't determined by the individual. But I like arguing philosophy. It is easy to be cynical. It's difficult to persevere but it's always right to demand that those with authority change the status quo when it's obvious what's happening is not working.

ModUlanopoDec 4, 20165 votes

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but it's always right to demand that those with authority change the status quo when it's obvious what's happening is not working.

I'm always frustrated by statements like this because Riot's in a no-win situation here. On the one hand, people are always clamoring for instantaneous, draconian punishments. Then they turn around and complain about "all the false positives" or about how the behavior isn't really punish-worthy.

I don't think much of "Riot should just be better" as an argument, either.

ReadyxPlayerxOneDec 4, 20161 votes

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I'm always frustrated by statements like this because Riot's in a no-win situation here. On the one hand, people are always clamoring for instantaneous, draconian punishments. Then they turn around and complain about "all the false positives" or about how the behavior isn't really punish-worthy.

I don't think much of "Riot should just be better" as an argument, either.

First off, I'm not dragging up bullshit posts that occur on PBM boards and expect RIOT to do anything about it. I'm not even advocating for a ban or anything of that nature. I'm simply saying that YOU are giving someone the benefit of the doubt... because... "it's right"... when obviously it's not. I've seen 8 year old beginners with better scores than that. Legit you can sit under tower doing nothing and win half of your games. That you state this guy "might not be trolling" is just a fucking joke.

Then you assume that RIOT is in a no-win situation. There are many things they simply haven't done and haven't even tried with the assumption that their statistics (which are extremely manipulated for marketing and PR, and you can trust me on that, it's what I do for a living) are proving them correct at every turn. For example... they can put someone like this into a "rank ban, requiring 10 games with very low mmr people to regain the status" or a million other situations that could help the player or prove they're intentionally feeding. And if things were tried and failed and then tried again... I WOULDN'T EVEN BE TYPING THIS SHIT. But they don't. To the extent they don't even utilize features that already exist...

Should they "just be better"... no... that's a stupid argument. But I believe they should be attempting to do "the most good" for everyone. And I'm not seeing that in many of their decisions and have advocated for many changes on these boards. Some of which Red's want to implement but haven't gotten green lighted.

Lastly... for you to have any recognition from RIOT about your posts and to say you don't give a shit about people upvoting or downvoting what you say is either disingenuous or disgusting. Probably both. Your PC bullshit doesn't affect me anymore. Done talking with you as it's obvious you don't care about anything us "downvoters" say.

ModUlanopoDec 4, 20165 votes

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First off, I'm not dragging up bullshit posts that occur on PBM boards and expect RIOT to do anything about it. I'm not even advocating for a ban or anything of that nature. I'm simply saying that YOU are giving someone the benefit of the doubt... because... "it's right"... when obviously it's not. I've seen 8 year old beginners with better scores than that. Legit you can sit under tower doing nothing and win half of your games. That you state this guy "might not be trolling" is just a fucking joke.

Stop listening with your fear, because I said none of that.

Yes, it's a virtual certainty that the person shown in that record is trolling. Yes, that person should be punished. I'm not disputing any of that.

I have two points here.

First, even though I agree with the OP that the match scores we were shown should have triggered FeederBuster, the fact that board rules prevent us from knowing the name of the player makes it impossible for us to have any meaningful understanding of what happened. Was the player punished? Was the player just screwing around for a day? Was the account banned?

We can't know anything but what little the OP tells us and I can't imagine you're suggesting we blindly accept something we've been told on the internet. For this reason, the discussion cannot be probative. It can only serve for yet another round of people reinforcing their confirmation bias.

Second, I take issue with the OP's unwillingness to put in a support ticket. You can't just say "Riot doesn't handle intentional feeding cases appropriately" and then deprive Riot of one of their opportunities to correct the situation, especially in a case like this. If FeederBuster missed something this blatant, then the thing to do is absolutely to send in a support ticket so that Riot can look at why it was missed. I consider it my civic duty and I do it all the time.

Finally, with regard to downvotes, this is the internet. I find upvotes equally uninteresting and pay them just as little attention. The reason for this is that neither of them reflect the effectiveness of my arguments. I think certain people weaponize votes and I would remove them from the boards if I could. Unfortunately, Riot has decided they should be a component of community moderation, such as it is. I disagree with it and have said as much on many occasions.

LegendmakerGXDec 3, 20163 votes

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The problem here is that, without being able to see the name, we can't get context and you can't post the name because of the rule against name-and-shame.

The simplest solution is simply to put in a support ticket. "But Ulanopo," you reply, "I already said that I wasn't going to do that because I shouldn't have to bother. The system should have caught him by now." Maybe it has.

You could always check his honor. If it's zero or very low, it was reset due to a punishment. If it wasn't, what's the harm in helping out the community? The Intentional feeding detection system is the youngest and the least stable of the systems. It's reports and tickets that give them more data for the system.

The Instant Feedback system didn't just appear overnight. It needed millions of Tribunal cases to create the needed database.

Given how passionate you are, it shouldn't be that big a problem to lend a hand.

Also If I do submit a ticket what will that fall under? Since Riot took out the option to report players by submitting a ticket, the only option I can see which I used in the past was (In game) but that falls under technical department who fix bugs not look into player report.

MôrgânâDec 3, 201610 votes

Haha, you really want us to believe this nonsense? The "Instant feedback system" is a pure shitload. If you play(ed) enough games you can literally feed 50 games straight. The thresholds are too high. I can tell; I sacrificed and fed so many games, nothing happens. Because over 500 games.

Also: "Millions of Tribunal Cases"? When I was there (I am around since 2010) I could only review like 10 cases a day? And MANY of them were even duplicates! Of course this happened to others. We also know people abused it often by just hammering PUNISH and even hit innocents. We all know how bad that shit was. So stick that lie to your hat. Thanks.

Stop doing what RIOT did 2011-2015: Lying about Tribunal and Reports. The only thing that works is the leaverbuster, which is super easy to figure out (damage dealt in general, CS, how much you are away from the base, kill the process in Taskmanager and not by ALT+4 and accepting the LEAVE ANYWAYS window, two assist are often enough when combined with other methods - automated systems are easily abused) and the chat filter (getting a score out from a badword library that triggers when at least 1 person reports). Everything else is pure lie and malfunction like any piece of code RIOT games has touched.

MyrmironDec 4, 20169 votes

Fun fact: I once opened a support ticket to report someone who told me to kill myself and that he hoped my family would die of cancer through DMs.

The support guy told be to use the ingame report tool for cases like these in the future, which makes me think all those fancy support people actually don't read any tickets, and that's just a bunch of computers generating generic automated messages, since the context of the ticket made it clear that it happened through DMs, and even had screenshots attached to it as far as I can remember.

So much for opening a ticket.

LegendmakerGXDec 4, 20167 votes

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Fun fact: I once opened a support ticket to report someone who told me to kill myself and that he hoped my family would die of cancer through DMs.

The support guy told be to use the ingame report tool for cases like these in the future, which makes me think all those fancy support people actually don't read any tickets, and that's just a bunch of computers generating generic automated messages, since the context of the ticket made it clear that it happened through DMs, and even had screenshots attached to it as far as I can remember.

So much for opening a ticket.

This is why I don't even open a Ticket and why Riot took the section where you can submit a ticket under (In game player behavior) out of the section you can submit it under.It's obvious they don't even look at these cases and they always pull out the B.S line "Send us a ticket Riot will fix/check it out" when it's obvious they don't.

Supreme Senpai69Dec 5, 20161 votes

I can confirm just to add more in here that I've opened several report tickets. Sometimes the end of game screen gets stuck in an infinite loading loop, the client may crash, or the report worthy incident takes place in champ select until someone dodges. I'll provide screenshots and open a ticket and get told "We don't follow up on reports this way. Use the in game report function."

More than once. They quite literally tell you they won't be taking action.

But, please do send in a support ticket anyway OP. Please let us know what they say. Screenshot it and let me know! I'm curious

ReadyxPlayerxOneDec 4, 20162 votes

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The problem here is that, without being able to see the name, we can't get context and you can't post the name because of the rule against name-and-shame.

The simplest solution is simply to put in a support ticket. "But Ulanopo," you reply, "I already said that I wasn't going to do that because I shouldn't have to bother. The system should have caught him by now." Maybe it has.

You could always check his honor. If it's zero or very low, it was reset due to a punishment. If it wasn't, what's the harm in helping out the community? The Intentional feeding detection system is the youngest and the least stable of the systems. It's reports and tickets that give them more data for the system.

The Instant Feedback system didn't just appear overnight. It needed millions of Tribunal cases to create the needed database.

Given how passionate you are, it shouldn't be that big a problem to lend a hand.

Context? Completely fucking lost me at this word. Sorry but I think they should take your blue away for that turd comment. Only context you need is he's destroying games so bad in ranked that NO ONE should be forced to play with this guy. I like most of your posts but this was basically carebear bullshit on a level most Red's won't even post. I mean wtf... you tried to give him the benefit of the doubt?

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

18 NAKED COWB0YSDec 4, 20169 votes

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this guy bought his acc managed to intent feed for 2 weeks and was banned after in plat 3 elo.

there was a guy 4 days ago in masters mmr who kept bragging about scripting and was known for it for about 2 weeks. he was on qtpies stream and c9 sneaky and said it in all chat to 30k people and was obviously scripting as well. they both knew him for it and everyone in that elo hated that guy for it after 200 games riot decided it was time to ban him for cheating.

the auto detection system made it so if u called this guy a fucking asshole for cheating and ruining your game u would be chat banned or perma banned 5 minutes after the game and they would say "one of their player specialists" looked into it.

MartensiticDec 3, 20168 votes

Also no I'm not going to waste time to submit a ticket when your intentional feed system should not even be this bad and down right trash to not be able to detect this.

So you are not going to help, but you are of course going to complain.

I would do a lazy golf-clap, but I need one hand to facepalm currently. Luckily, my Brand-Band is going to help me out on this one.

[zombie-brand-clap] [zombie-brand-clap] [zombie-brand-clap]

LegendmakerGXDec 3, 201615 votes

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So you are not going to help, but you are of course going to complain.

I would do a lazy golf-clap, but I need one hand to facepalm currently. Luckily, my Brand-Band is going to help me out on this one.

[zombie-brand-clap] [zombie-brand-clap] [zombie-brand-clap]

So help with what? Waste time making a Support ticket which Riot will throw in the trash? I hope you were here long enough to know that there use to be a option to submit player behavior but Riot took that option out since they don't believe they need that. So please tell me what would I put this ticket under? Send it to the in game problem department since they are the only one that seem reasonable to send it too but they deal with bugs?

Edit Had to edit this because Martensitic thinks report is the same thing as Support ticket.

MartensiticDec 3, 20164 votes

So help with what? Waste time making a ticket which Riot will throw in the trash?

The system is DEPENDENT on tickets.

The only thing it can reliably determine without human help AND without giving a ton of false positives, is AFK. For everything else, it needs human input.

If you are not willing to provide that, then you have absolutely no right to complain about anything.

So please tell me what would I put this ticket under?

You do know there is an ingame-report function, yes?

if this did not happen in one of your games, then it doesn't concern you. You are not the deputy of "community behaviour police".

EfficientDynamoDec 4, 20162 votes

There is a difference between a report and a ticket. The former is in the post game lobby, the latter is through Riot's website. It is not simple and easy to submit a ticket; I have done so numerous times for big offenders, and it always redirects or brings me back to the start page unless I get very creative.

LegendmakerGXDec 4, 20163 votes

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There is a difference between a report and a ticket. The former is in the post game lobby, the latter is through Riot's website. It is not simple and easy to submit a ticket; I have done so numerous times for big offenders, and it always redirects or brings me back to the start page unless I get very creative.

Ya, some how marten doesn't even know the difference, I didn't even get what he was trying to say until he told me "I'm to lazy to do 3 clicks" then I realize he doesn't now the difference about Support Ticket to a normal report....

KVbqbFsC8eDec 3, 20167 votes

Its no secret that Riot is much more concerned about "toxicity" in chat than they are about things that actually do ruin the game.

grugDec 3, 20166 votes

there are people in bronze who do this unintentionally

LegendmakerGXDec 3, 201620 votes

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there are people in bronze who do this unintentionally

...This is a platinum player in rank. Yes people some times do bad in game but with a 3 assist with over 10 death? least damage and no gold plus no cs?

DanjengDec 3, 20165 votes

Could just be boosted. At this rate he WILL be bronze.

LegendmakerGXDec 3, 20163 votes

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Could just be boosted. At this rate he WILL be bronze.

At that rate he WILL ruin over 50 players games before he get to bronze.

CipseDec 4, 20163 votes

I doubt it. Look at the items in the first few listed games. item 3117 and item 2049 - one game even had double and one item 1001

MinaZer0Dec 5, 20165 votes

Nasus is a dog 4 foots>4 boots

VelgamDec 3, 20168 votes

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...This is a platinum player in rank. Yes people some times do bad in game but with a 3 assist with over 10 death? least damage and no gold plus no cs?

HOLY fck i played with this guy, he feeds on purpose. The game where he played nasus and went 2/15, i got demoted due to this guy.

koreansmurf8751Dec 5, 20161 votes

feelsfuckingbadman

ShadragonDec 3, 20166 votes

He got a few kills and even a few assists every now and then. He even CSed in one game. From that data alone, it looks entirely possible that he just really really really sucks and is on a one way cruise to Bronze V. Clearly we know that's not the case, but in order for the system to know that, it'll have to start banning innocent people for being bad at the game and obviously that's not an option.

BloodmorneDec 3, 20164 votes

like so many players say, " they were having a bad game" ahahahahah people are gullible

Morality CoachDec 4, 20164 votes

God forbid you call anyone a noob a few games in a row though, lol.

Holy shit Riot I didn't know you could still feed that hard get on it.

FantasticAymenXDec 4, 20164 votes

i've seen worse still fix your shit riot

BIackfoxDec 3, 20163 votes

Lol I met a guy who in the pre game lobby said "forgive me father for I have fed" or something like that and keep feeding in game

SwaggyMcGhee420Dec 4, 20163 votes

Why would you expect riot to ban people after 1 game? I've seen people go 0/17 when they're actually trying.

ReadyxPlayerxOneDec 4, 20162 votes

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Why would you expect riot to ban people after 1 game? I've seen people go 0/17 when they're actually trying.

This is at least 8 games with the OP talking about more games and their gold and farm. 0 cs a minute? Half the gold of team mates? And it was explained this isn't bronze. I've seen people have rough games. Have had a few myself. But 0/17 type scores for 8 in a row or more... That's something that isn't right and needs changing. Whether it be helping the player improve their play because they're god awful or banning because they're trolling. EITHER WAY, something needs to happen.

SwaggyMcGhee420Dec 4, 20163 votes

I was just talking about his title, which implies that he expects them to be able to ban after one game. I'm just saying that that's unrealistic. I've had supports who don't take cs and feed this badly, not even necessarily in bronze.

WolfBVDec 3, 20162 votes

You say usually, which means that this is ok. :D

KíngsmanDec 4, 20162 votes

At least he built sightstone most games. Not something that can be said for many ranked games. item 2045

Karn BishopDec 4, 20163 votes

I guarantee you this is why he is not being banned, bet the system is designed to discount a certain amount of deaths if you have sight stone due to how often supports tend to die for others.

Sex on RìftDec 4, 20162 votes

Meanwhile streamers and YouTubers need 1 game of "intentional" feeding to get punished. Riot's logic right there.

Also I sent ticket to Riot asking about their punishment system and they replied saying "don't worry, we punish intentional feeding harsh and our system successfully detects intentional feeders within few games".