If you didn't help get kills or assists in a lane, or if you aren't pushing a tower down, you have no business actively trying to sabotage your allies lane.
If you have permission to take cs, or if it's mid-late game or not in lane phase anymore, then go for it, but while it's laning phase, you have a jungle to get gold from or ganks you can make.
Kei1433 voteswhile you think it is toxic, it's not a punishable offense.
zPOOPz2 votes"permission"
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CheapKill2 votesIt's simple, if you don't pay your taxes. You don't get ganks.
sh1be2 votesIt is sabotaging your allies' lane, and it is unfair. But it is not so severe that is should be an offense, and I think the definition of being toxic is chat. Not entirely sure, but if your actively taking cs and being troll because your ragebabying I can see that as being toxic.
Remove Jungle2 votesit isn't toxic but I do understand you.
my standards are: If I get the kill I don't tax. if I help the laner get the kill I do tax. Do I need to hold a lane because laner died then I will ?tax?
I don't tax that often so. even if the laner gets the kill il walk out in the way walking out il hit 1-3 minions done.
If a jungler walks through your lane and takes CS that is just straight up sad. He sets you behind in XP and gold. basically, you are vs 2 enemy junglers :D. mostly il joke about this in chat if they do it "didn't know enemy had 2 junglers :D"
Chermorg2 votesConsidering nobody owns CS in League, there is no such thing as "stealing cs".
Remove Jungle2 votesConsidering nobody owns CS in League, there is no such thing as "stealing cs".
but the role of a jungler is to help the laners. if he walks in lane takes couple CS it sets the laner behind. that isn't nice.
Chermorg2 votesTo assume that a jungle taking CS always, or even many times, sets the laner behind is a false assumption. Many times, the laner is either missing CS or is far enough ahead that a few CS don’t matter - and those same CS can throw the jungle ahead. Further, if a jungle needs 50 more gold for an item, it’s a lot easier (and helps the team more) for him to gank a lane and take 2 CS than it is for him to get a jungle camp and not gank.
SavageConcordia1 votesbut the role of a jungler is to help the laners.
League is a team game, it is everyones job to help one another. If you are playing a champ with low gold demand (tank) and have a jungle with a higher gold demand (assassin) it may be worth letting your jungle skim some gold and xp to help him snowball.
The Öutcast2 votesLeague is a team game, it is everyones job to help one another. If you are playing a champ with low gold demand (tank) and have a jungle with a higher gold demand (assassin) it may be worth letting your jungle skim some gold and xp to help him snowball.
skim isn't the same as, "I reset the lane and went back, but now our jungler is pushing the entire next wave of minions, so I lose out on the gold and exp, and the enemy laner has a chance to freeze and come back or establish further dominance in the lane."
SavageConcordia2 votesSo what you are saying is a player who is not good at league and doesn't understand wave manipulation should be banned? Yeah, that's not going to happen.
HavokDash1 votesWish they would tell that to the adcs who lose their minds over support accidentally killing a minion, or having very little CS. I had a Lucian abandon lane and throw the match over me (support) having 3 CS...throws the whole match over 3 minions.....
The Öutcast2 votesConsidering nobody owns CS in League, there is no such thing as "stealing cs".
I suppose it isn't important to cs then in game, even though that's a major factor of victory in every single game in pro play as well as upper elos? Of course you would advocate for the more toxic option Chermorg.
Chermorg2 votesI did not say that at all.
I said nobody owns CS. It is very important to CS. It does not matter who gets it. And Riot’s stance is that nobody owns it and there is no such concept as “stealing” CS.
The Öutcast2 votesI did not say that at all.
I said nobody owns CS. It is very important to CS. It does not matter who gets it. And Riot’s stance is that nobody owns it and there is no such concept as “stealing” CS.
in the current meta, supported by riot btw, what's the most strategic method of divvying up cs? 1 top, 1 mid, 1 jungle, 1 adc and 1 support for bot lane. Who gets the cs in the respective areas? The people who go to those lanes, that is their cs, assuming there is any interest in winning the game, if there is a better meta that is supported by allowing junglers to take cs and cripple their allied laners in a manner that is otherwise toxic, please, tell me what it is.
There is a concept of owning and stealing cs, so long as minions are worth gold, and riot's stance is that there is value in the minions, and that killing minions is important to attaining a gold advantage. ITS EVEN IN THE TUTORIAL. I'm sure if it wasn't important, Riot would leave it out of the tutorial. Just because you won't acknowledge it doesn't mean it's not true.
I can scream and shout all day long that the sky is green, but it's not true.
Stop advocating for ruining people's games.
Chermorg1 votesStrategic methods for divvying up CS are just that - strategy. Strategy is by definition opinion. Riot fully supports people “breaking the meta” and this includes using various methods of divvying up CS. The tutorial teaches people how to last hit - it does not say “you own these minions and nobody else can take them”.
The analogy you use is faulty. You’re shouting the sky is “coral blue” but I’m shouting it’s “blue” - one of those things is proven (that it’s blue) but the other is up to subjectivity - it’s subjective whether it’s coral or not.
The Öutcast1 votesStrategic methods for divvying up CS are just that - strategy. Strategy is by definition opinion. Riot fully supports people “breaking the meta” and this includes using various methods of divvying up CS. The tutorial teaches people how to last hit - it does not say “you own these minions and nobody else can take them”.
The analogy you use is faulty. You’re shouting the sky is “coral blue” but I’m shouting it’s “blue” - one of those things is proven (that it’s blue) but the other is up to subjectivity - it’s subjective whether it’s coral or not.
there's subjectivity and objectivity, and you are objectively wrong. You are supporting breaking the meta in a way that doesn't work. Minions belong to the laner in whose lane they are in, if someone makes an active effort to ruin another person's lane phase by shoving in the lane and killing all the minions, that's toxic behavior. Much like stealing jungle camps from your jungler is toxic behavior. Though I suppose you'll say, BUT THE JUNGLER DOESNT OWN THE JUNGLE, in which you'd be wrong again.
Chermorg1 votes“Doesn’t work” is by definition subjective. Objective would be to say “in 57% of games that the jungle steals CS, the laner ends up negative in KDA”. Minions do not belong to anyone, and the jungle does not belong to anyone.
dKiWi1 votessometimes the jungler is wave clearing to release herald, or just wave clearing (in the case of mid lane). Noobs wouldnt understand
Negativity1 votessometimes the jungler is wave clearing to release herald, or just wave clearing (in the case of mid lane). Noobs wouldnt understand
This As someone who plays jungle in high Diamond/low master leaving waves that aren't getting absorbed is a total waste, I understand the idea of running into a lane and taking CS WITHOUT providing a kill but sometimes showing face is enough to break pressure on your lamer however my approach is to take the XP and not the gold unless we make a gank and then push waves to punish
In low Elo to carry as a jungle esp if you're smurfing or something jg will hyper farm, which sometimes means taking gold and xp from a weaker player I know it sounds crappy but if you can carry you carry I'm not your friend I'm here for LP
In this case tho I assume it's a low Elo jungle being a jerk, however his impact is much less damaging than you think. I've had a Olaf give 15 kills to my laner on my silver acct and won lane the Olaf was inting over some arguement it was a really tough and very unfun game to play but we pulled it off kudos to my amazingly level headed team of silver players who I'm sure got out with their bomb attitudes wish I friended those guys rank isn't everything I ranted I forgot why I ranted
Zaíxen1 votesby those standards then singed proxy farming 2 lanes at enemy nexus must be against the law.