@Smite Nunu support defenders, if I'm assigned ADC, lock in Talon, and play him mid, am I trolling?

warpenguin555·Mar 1, 2017·11 votes·1,619 views

Serious Question.

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JunkοMar 1, 201712 votes

You are assigned bot lane, not ADC. You can go Talon bot lane though.

ProzzakMar 1, 201710 votes

Nunu was assigned support, not jungle.

JunkοMar 1, 20175 votes

Except high elo supports are very rarely in lane past the first few levels anyway and they roam all the time creating pressure. Have you never been randomly matched with a Challenger support main in normals who solo carried the game by winning every single lane for your team and helping your jung invade their jungle?

ProzzakMar 1, 20178 votes

I am a (fairly) high elo player myself. I have routinely (in the past) played with challenger level players. I know how they play and yes, they do roam a lot. However there is a huge difference between roaming in a lot of games and roaming every game no matter what just to counter jungle. You need to take into account what your game is looking like, who the enemy team is, what your laner looks like they are capable of. You cannot just simply say "I am roaming/counter jungling no matter what, deal with it". It won't work out well often enough.

This is the issue with what the Nunu did. Not that he roamed, but rather the fact that all he did was roam and forced you to deal with it. Sometimes the game calls for you to actually be forced to sit and babysit your adc high level play or not.

TotalwanabeMar 1, 20173 votes

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I am a (fairly) high elo player myself. I have routinely (in the past) played with challenger level players. I know how they play and yes, they do roam a lot. However there is a huge difference between roaming in a lot of games and roaming every game no matter what just to counter jungle. You need to take into account what your game is looking like, who the enemy team is, what your laner looks like they are capable of. You cannot just simply say "I am roaming/counter jungling no matter what, deal with it". It won't work out well often enough.

This is the issue with what the Nunu did. Not that he roamed, but rather the fact that all he did was roam and forced you to deal with it. Sometimes the game calls for you to actually be forced to sit and babysit your adc high level play or not.

only reason it won't work is crybaby with big ego won't adapt simple has that.

VerxintMar 1, 20177 votes

So "crybabies who need to adapt" only applies to his teammates and doesn't apply to him when his team doesn't want to work around his strategy?

This is just like the toxic people who say "They shouldn't be so sensitive, they're just pussies" then turn around and say "some kid was insulting me so that excuses my abhorrent behavior"

Hypocrisy at its finest.

eldurisMar 1, 20177 votes

Exactly. Why are his teammates considered crybabies or unwilling to adapt when that's literally the exact same thing he's doing? He only plays Nunu and Ivern and if those champs are banned he dodges. He won't adapt to a new playstyle with Nunu and expects his team to adapt to him.

TotalwanabeMar 2, 20171 votes

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So "crybabies who need to adapt" only applies to his teammates and doesn't apply to him when his team doesn't want to work around his strategy?

This is just like the toxic people who say "They shouldn't be so sensitive, they're just pussies" then turn around and say "some kid was insulting me so that excuses my abhorrent behavior"

Hypocrisy at its finest.

well i bet you never played off meta so i doubt you know how it's like.

VerxintMar 2, 20171 votes

Nice logical fallacy.

I actually really enjoy playing off-meta bot lanes, specifically trying to make melee ADC work. I've gone Xin Zhao and Jax bot lane with randoms, or done stuff like Darius/Taric with a friend in a game with 3 randoms.

If people tell me not to, I change to a normal lane. But I find that if I'm nice and respectful about it, other people are willing to give it a try.

DrCyanideMar 1, 20173 votes

Support isn't a physical position on the map with a source of gold/experience to collect.

Piltover CustomsMar 1, 20173 votes

He is supporting his team, not one person. He is actually doing MORE than what you think he should.

LimmieMar 2, 20172 votes

And he didn't play jungle, he played counter jungle. He didn't take his jungler's camps so far as I could tell. The counter jungle is a supportive position, so it fits within the role.

YCitizenSnipsYMar 1, 20172 votes

Aren't you just enforcing the meta?

eldurisMar 1, 20176 votes

You're getting downvoted, but this is a good conversation to have. I want to take it a bit further. Let's say I queue for jungle and bot lane, but my definition of what it means to be a "jungler" is to go into the enemy base and farm minions there. Technically am I jungling, according to my definition? Sure am. But does my definition match that of most players in this game? Probably not. Herein lies the problem. His definition of what it means to "support" differs from the rest of his team (and if I'm going to be honest, most players as well). When he says "well technically I'm supporting the team just not by being in bot lane all game" he's right by his definition, but where does that leave the other four players who have different definitions or expectations of a support? At what point do you tell the other four players that they have to deal with it because he defines support differently? I don't think it's fair for one person to define something differently then expect everyone else to go along with it.

TotalwanabeMar 2, 20171 votes

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You're getting downvoted, but this is a good conversation to have. I want to take it a bit further. Let's say I queue for jungle and bot lane, but my definition of what it means to be a "jungler" is to go into the enemy base and farm minions there. Technically am I jungling, according to my definition? Sure am. But does my definition match that of most players in this game? Probably not. Herein lies the problem. His definition of what it means to "support" differs from the rest of his team (and if I'm going to be honest, most players as well). When he says "well technically I'm supporting the team just not by being in bot lane all game" he's right by his definition, but where does that leave the other four players who have different definitions or expectations of a support? At what point do you tell the other four players that they have to deal with it because he defines support differently? I don't think it's fair for one person to define something differently then expect everyone else to go along with it.

it's fair it's his role he play the way he see fit you won't tell a zigg bot lane to build full attack damage item because it fit your description of an adc bot lane.

My Sea CowMar 1, 20173 votes

Go away troll

warpenguin555Mar 1, 20173 votes

Do you mean im trolling with this thread or trolling if I actually do what I wrote in the title?

BeatzBoyFTWMar 1, 20175 votes

Even a 2 month old baby knows if what you said in the title is trolling or not.

Around999PeopleMar 1, 20173 votes

You play talon bot and have over a 50% win rate in Diamond then yeah go for it. If you force your team mate out of his lane to do it no. The nunu didn't force his jg to stop jging. He supported his team by crippling the enemy team.

RaoulMar 2, 20171 votes

If you just play enough and are not intentionally trying to lose, you are bound to have a winrate around 50%, a bit higher if you are a good player. Doesnt mean you suck all enjoyment out of the game for your whole team.

Consider this: They still reported this guy after games that they won. Hell, I forgave tons of troll picks because they pulled themself together and did a great job. That he is still getting reported after winning tells you everything you need to know.

Did you watch his stream? His team always had to pull themself up, he did in no means carry any game, the rest of the team just managed not to fall behind in 53% of his games and when it came to mid-lategame, they could win the upper hand because they had 5 farmed Champions instead of 4. But the early game is hell for his whole team in nearly every game.

Go to his Twitch. Watch some Videos. Just go and do it. Then come back and tell me hes not a burden to his team!

LimmieMar 2, 20173 votes

That would be trolling because the main definition of roles are the income flows. If you are assigned top, that means the top lane income flow (ie the minions) are yours. If you are assigned jungle, that means the jungle camps on your side of the jungle are yours. If you are assigned support, that means you have no income flow. If you were assigned bot and then go mid instead, you're forfeiting your assigned income flow (botlane minions) and taking the income flow rightfully assigned to somebody else (the midlane minions) and that's definitely stealing roles.

But if you are assigned support and decide to counter jungle, then you are neither taking income from somebody else (the enemy camps are up for grabs) nor forfeiting a valuable income flow (because as a support you don't get one in the first place). That makes it completely valid, as opposed to being bot going mid instead.

HethaleanMar 1, 20172 votes

I mean you could at least pick another role with the lane agency of a support. A role who doesn't have a dedicated income that youre leaving behind you. It's not like support gets anything out of staying bot lane other than it is just meta that adc's need a babysitter and scapegoat and tactically the best choice in normal situations.

EschetonMar 1, 20171 votes

Probably would be trolling. But, if you stated the plan in champ select early enough that the support can pick something that can hold bot. I don't see the issue. That could work. (Unless you take mid's farm)

TotalwanabeMar 2, 20171 votes

he's not since, he's applying pressure on the enemy champion that has the highest ratio of screwing every lane. sure it put is lane partner in a tight spot that's where there's a turret to cover for his absence.

hshtagniemehrcduMar 2, 20171 votes

I doubt you even realised what Nunu was doing. So often i see people claiming he was simply duo jungling and crap like that.

In your example you do the following: You take your champion, whose position in teambuilder was "Bot" and move ths champion to a different lane in order to occupy a lane, that is **already **occupied from your team. Nunu does something different. He is taking his champion, **not **to farm the lane another **ally **is **already **farming, but he takes his champ into the enemy's jungle to farm an area of the map, that is **not ** occupied by his team, but by the enemy team.

This is fundamentally different and has nothing to do with what you propose. It is a completly seperate topic in itself.