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If You Wanted to Pick a Busted Champ, Don't Whine after Enemy Picked the Champ!

GenghisEmo··1 votes·655 views

It was funny.

Unfun after a while to play with a player who wanted Kled, since you know Kled is a bit overtuned honestly (not because he is new and yet to learn the mechanics), but he has excessive hp, and when dismounted is invulnerable, overloaded kit, and then can go back to loads of hp once Skarl comes back (otherwise, quite balanced once you consider only one mechanic is truly busted while everything else is just overloaded kit). Once this guy is seen at Worlds or Pro Play, he getting nerfed i guarantee it.

But back to the point, i don't mind fighting Kled, I was actually winning more games against Kled players XD (since they have yet to learn to play him well). But, then I get that one player that wants to abuse Kled and Cheese his lane... only to have the enemy pick him first and then proceed to cheese against my ally ^_^.

My ally that wanted Kled would not stop complaining about how "Kled is Broken" (which he is, but not as busted as the guy thinks), when he had to lane against the very champ he wanted!

It started off funny, but after the first 10 minutes of ally feeding, it got old. In the end we surrendered, my top laner was toxic and i hope he is punished for toxicity and negative attitude, but i have yet to figure out why a player that wants to bust out the new champ would complain about the new champ?

So please, if you were planning on playing something and the enemy chooses him, as much as the champ can be frustrating to play or as much as everyone takes the champ from you, DO NOT COMPLAIN.

13 Comments

Astôlfo2 votes

Kled is fine. He's not broken in the first place. But people complain and whine about everything.

GenghisEmo1 votes

He is broken in the invulnarability thing, it seems like something so abusable mechanic. Yes there is counterplay, but it seems if a Nasus has a hell of stacked Q that could kill off Kled and Skarl, then it should do both. As it is now, it is actually a free ulti.

But, i still predict nerfs inbound on our new little yordle as the dude does have quite a stacked kit.

Otherwise, he is fine and frustrating to play against, but nothing else. Not like Malz Aids and accidental pentakills plus baron steal just on the Malefic Vision alone XD (thank goodness Malz was nerfed, but now he balanced for most part).

Astôlfo1 votes

He doesn't need nerfs. His invulnerability system is fine and balanced and unique to the champion. I mean, sure, you can say he's frustrating, but you could say that for every single champion.

GenghisEmo1 votes

but the invulnerability, although unique, isn't the most "healthy" gameplay mechanic.

He should be able to get R'd to death by a Veigar, or Nasus stacked Q. As it is now, if it is only healthy if there isn't enough damage to finish him off, otherwise, it actually is quite "unhealthy" (though i think "unhealthy" is a term that is pushing it way too far, but i lack a better term).

Uniqueness should not be an excuse to maintain it. However, it isn't a reason to hate it XD. If we had ore of this on other champions, then i would not mind it, but the Arms Race Rito has going on right now is what makes me apprehensive to allow it. As it stands, I'm pretty certain because of it, Kled will receive nerfs in other areas to allow it

And i'm sure in a few patches he will get a few nerfs, maybe a minor random buff first, then the nerf hammer will arrive. Or they can just get rid of it while compensating elsewhere, kind of like the Nidalee auto-attack reset thing and Poppy auto-attack reset, mechanics that were not bad by themselves but with great wave-clear or stacked kit, respectively. Yes, auto-attack resets and invulnerability are different, but overall, i predict a similar pattern occurring.

I'm not trying to overreact, i actually like the invulnerability, but i feel it in my gut something is going to happen because of it. I just know it.

Astôlfo1 votes

No, not really. You shouldn't be using your entire massive burst on him instantly. That's the whole point.

And given that he's practically worthless without his mount, you're not really going to be having trouble killing him if you can instantly get rid of his mount in the first place.

It's not an excuse to maintain it. It's a reason to maintain it. There's also no reason to remove or change it, so it's perfectly fine.

I mean Riot makes bad decisions all the time, nothing special.

GenghisEmo1 votes

But if he is the last one on the enemy team, he needs the change. If he tower dives like a newb, which i have sseen my cousin do on him, Kled gets away. Funny as fuck, really funny as fuck, but it's a tad too much.

His mount and stacked kit are already more than enough to justify getting rid of his invulnerability. He is a Sivir and a Sion when he ults. He is an Early Game Renekton with a better late game (though his early game isnt as awesome as Renekton), and can basically pull an Anivia in a team fight.

He needs more weaknesses, not less, at least in my opinion.

I still am not convinced he truly deserves the complete removal of that mechanic, however, he needs to NOT drop turret aggro after losing mount and needs a nerf in hp scaling or %dmg dealt if he is to keep it. And, once again, i'm sure these are inbound.

Unstoppable Monk2 votes

{quoted}

Kled is fine. He's not broken in the first place. But people complain and whine about everything.

HEY GUYS I FOUND THE KLED PLAYER

Astôlfo1 votes

HEY GUYS I FOUND THE SALTY BAD PLAYER WHO DOESN'T WANT TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY AGAINST KLED

Unstoppable Monk2 votes

{quoted}

HEY GUYS I FOUND THE SALTY BAD PLAYER WHO DOESN'T WANT TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY AGAINST KLED

I FOUND THE BRONZIE THAT THINKS THEY KNOW THINGS

Astôlfo1 votes

The irony of the Bronze 5 who knows literally nothing trying to rank-shame the Bronze 4 lmfao

Also, for your information, I don't even play Kled that much But nice attempt at trying to use the "you're an x main, therefore your words are meaningless" argument and getting it completely wrong and just making yourself look hilarious.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

Win Ratio 31% very impressive.

Must know what you are talking about.

GenghisEmo1 votes

Originally it was a post about people complaining when they get to fight the champ they wanted.

Now on the subject of Kled. Win rate isn't the issue. Then solely based on winrate Ryze needs buffs? Zed too. Azir as well.

The thing isn't winrate, specially after a champ releases. The issue is there are mechanics in place, which, though unique, can be a bit "toxic" to the game. Hence, Azir keeps getting changes long after he was released. While Zed's window of vulnerability was increased because newbs like me were able to insta-gib others. And now we have a new champ with a loaded kit, that once people get around to learning how to use him, will become a champion that people abuse quite a bit and get "get out of jail free cards" (if you will) even when they make mistakes.

Trust me, as it is now, either riot will go ahead and make minor tweeks over and over again due to the vulnerability mechanic. Other than that, Kled isn't busted, per se. He is relatively healthy for a recently released champion. But, trust me man, we will see that he will get picked often in higher elos once people note how to use his Sivir+Sion Ult well.

I would not be surprised if he gets a buff before people realize he was already strong to begin with. Took people relatively long, outside of LPL (and in NA Sneaky was ahead of the curve) that Jhin was freaking great, even before the buffs (people just sucked with him, while now we have to consider nerfing him). Now Jhin is spammed pretty much all the time in higher elos since he offers great snipes, cool kit, and great scalings.

Kled isn't "OP", not at all. Just that newbs are allowed to get away with so much due to him having an overloaded kit. It's kind of like the Poppy pattern. It will just take a wee bit of time before people realize this. It is the same pattern repeating itself. Release win rate is "meh" or subpar, something is compensated once people learned to use character and all of a sudden we need nerfs and or changes to mechanics (Poppy got her aa reset removed, and several nerfs due to having such a great kit, Kled might get some changes inbound as well).

Don't just look at win rate, think about the overall picture. Think about previous release patters, previous buff-nerf patterns, think about how the champ mechanics, think about the kit, item builds, etc.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

That was referring to the player's winrate. But Kled should be ban status ranked.

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