The automated system is a joke. Here's an example why.

XIII Vanitas··10 votes·4,542 views

Two days ago I had an ARAM game where 2 players on the enemy team started arguing with each other in the post-game lobby. One of them ended up throwing racist and homophobic insults at the other and wished them to die in a terror attack. https://imgur.com/a/lhSjE I obviously reported the toxic player and I decided to track their account activity for the past few days to see if they ended up being banned. Unsurprisingly, they're still playing. Maybe because they've been playing every single game with at least 2 premades who probably aren't going to ever report them, no matter what they do or say. https://imgur.com/a/LqMPk https://imgur.com/a/oWxnp This is way the vast majority of players has no trust whatsoever in your automated player behaviour system, Riot.

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Terozu4 votes

You know what chat bans are right? Why are you cyber stalking someone.

And where does this:

This is way the vast majority of players has no trust whatsoever in your automated player behaviour system, Riot

Come from? Any way to back that up?

Also this:

Maybe because they've been playing every single game with at least 2 premades who probably aren't going to ever report them, no matter what they do or say.

Indicates you don't actually understand how the system works. Since that would not affect wether they get banned or not.

And before you bring up 0 tolerance, that only applies to in game. Since 4 other people are forced to deal with it. Outside when people can flat out leave it will usually result in a chat ban.

XIII Vanitas1 votes

Why are you cyber stalking someone.

Checking whether an account has been banned or not after 2 days is cyber stalking?

And where does this come from?

Almost all the players I've interacted with in the client, on the boards and on reddit claim that they don't trust the automated system.

Indicates you don't actually understand how the system works. Since that would not affect wether they get banned or not.

Except it looks like it does have an effect.

And before you bring up 0 tolerance, that only applies to in game. Since 4 other people are forced to deal with it. Outside when people can flat out leave it will usually result in a chat ban.

What's your source for that statement?

Terozu2 votes

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Checking whether an account has been banned or not after 2 days is cyber stalking?

Ummm yes.

Almost all the players I've interacted with in the client, on the boards and on reddit claim that they don't trust the automated system.

Black Swan fallacy.

Except it looks like it does have an effect.

Except we know for a fact it doesn't. Tantram and others have said it.

What's your source for that statement?

Multiple instances of Rioters commenting on these situations where people have and have not been punished. Im not gonna go searching for it because I know I'm right, choose to believe me or dont. I do not care.

Umbral Regent2 votes

Multiple instances of Rioters commenting on these situations where people have and have not been punished. Im not gonna go searching for it because I know I'm right...

If you're not going to go searching for it, then we have no reason to believe you're right. You're just saying you are. If you make a claim, you're obligated to provide proof, elsewise...Well, we can't believe you.

Terozu1 votes

I know I'm right, choose to believe me or dont. I do not care.

In the immortal words of Kirito A super computer calculating for a thousand years could not approach the number of fucks I do not give on wether u believe me.

Umbral Regent2 votes

Checking whether an account has been banned or not after 2 days is cyber stalking?

It counts. You're going out of your way to stalk a player that, as far as anyone knows, you won't ever see again, just to see if they got punished. That sort of vindictive stalking is both bad practice, and according to the Terms of Use, isn't allowed.

5.1. Can I troll, flame, threaten or harass people while using the Riot Services? (No. If you do, you might get banned.)

While using the Riot Services, you must comply with all laws, rules and regulations in the jurisdiction in which you reside. You must also comply with certain additional rules that govern your use of the Riot Services (the “Code of Conduct”). The Code of Conduct is not meant to be exhaustive, and we reserve the right to modify it at any time, as well as take appropriate disciplinary measures including account termination and deletion to protect the integrity and spirit of the Riot Services, regardless of whether a specific behavior is listed in the policy as inappropriate. In addition to the Code of Conduct, please review the Summoner’s Code for additional guidance on exemplary gameplay behavior.

The following are examples of behavior that warrant disciplinary measures:

iii. Harassing, stalking or threatening other players while using the Riot Services;

Once you report someone, your end of the deal is done. You should put the player out of your mind and move on, odds are high that you'll never see them again. Hounding after them and watching their account to make absolutely, 200% sure that they got a punishment is probably the point where you have to ask yourself: "Why am I playing League anymore?"


Almost all the players I've interacted with in the client, on the boards and on reddit claim that they don't trust the automated system.

Small sample size. Put out a survey, get a thousand-some votes, then come back. And, I know it won't count for much, but, I trust in the IFS.


Except it looks like it does have an effect.

Looks can be deceiving. Players in premade groups aren't any safer from the IFS than solitary players. I was rooting around for a quote from Riot Tantram, the guy who wrote the code for the IFS, and, here it is:

I've done this before. Let me post the ACTUAL line of code:

if (reportCount > 0) { ... }

It's line 57 of this particular class. I wrote it.

Basically, the IFS only requires one report to trigger a review. Additional reports do not influence the review, and premades also do not influence it in any way. If you reported them, and they broke the rules, they will be flagged and potentially punished. It doesn't matter if you receive a blue billion Honors per day, are part of a four-man premade team who would never report you, or any other factor: If you break the rules, and any person reports you, the IFS can and will punish you.

(note; I'm using "you" in the figurative sense.)


What's your source for that statement?

I'm curious about that too. I've never seen cases where players break the zero tolerance rules in post-game chat but get a lighter punishment somehow. I know the case of private messages is pretty iffy, since taking up those kinds of communications is an act of accepting the chat, but, post-game chat, as far as I know, is monitored and punished the same as in-game chat.

XIII Vanitas1 votes

I generally agree with what you're saying, but I highly doubt that searching whether an account is still playing games or not counts as stalking. That type of information is made readily available to the public, there's even a search bar on the client that allows us to go to the profile page of other players and look at their activities.

Also, "Why am I playing League anymore?" isn't a meaningful sentence, so I don't understand your point.

Umbral Regent2 votes

You're using publicly available information (player's match history) to essentially follow a player post-match and post-report to ascertain private information (account status/punishment). You're using public information as a means to an end they weren't intended for. That's pretty much stalking.

Also, "Why am I playing League anymore?" isn't a meaningful sentence, so I don't understand your point.

It's a question that I pose to anyone who gets so bent out of shape over one player that they're willing to stalk their match history in the hopes of seeing an abrupt pause of 14 days or more. Because, at that point, I don't see them as playing League for League, I see them as playing League for spiting other players.

Because, again; when you get to the point where you're trying to find out whether or not they were punished (which, again, their account status and punishments are private), you're not interested in League, you're interested in that player.

So, to rephrase my question; are you more interested in the game, or the players you report?

XIII Vanitas1 votes

I'm starting to believe that you're exaggerating reality in order to willingly misrepresent me as much as possible. This conversation is also heading nowhere, so I don't see any reason to keep it going.

Arammus3 votes

post game lobby is not checked by the system because riot has the simple rule of "what happens in the client doesnt concern us at all"

XIII Vanitas5 votes

Riot Support claims it's checked.

JustaNewb1 votes

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Riot Support claims it's checked.

As was told to me by Djinn... take these images to the Moderation Discord and let them know directly. You can also email them to support.

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

People like to claim that its checked because it can in fact be manually checked, but only if Riot finds a reason to do so. Thats why postgame chat, despite what this forum may try to have you believe, is rarely punished.

Arammus2 votes

the riot support says a lot of shit stuff. the system does NOT check pre and post game lobby, human reviews can tho.

if they check post game lobby my smurf would be permabanned months ago because i said %%% to a friend a lot of times to check if that is in fact true. its not they dont check it.

Nikki2 votes

Just got a 14 day ban because two randoms who i matchmade with decided TO TROLL ME MY SUPPORT AND MY TOP LANER but I GET BANNED? Riot this needs a overhaul!! what a garbage report system!!

AMYS GRAVE1 votes

Yeah, i've seen straightforward death threats manually reported through support and not get so much as a 2 week. Their stances on these things is pretty sad.

Alicetaria1 votes

Someone told "I hope you get cancer and die" last game, I reported them, guess what? Literally nothing happened, they're still playing games.

Nikki2 votes

Had two trolls on my team int and afk for 12 of the 25 minutes, I call them out and after the game I GET BANNED? I regularly see people with names like "Lynch jews" and "%%%%%%jewslitter" and i report them vigilantly whenever I see them, yet they see it fair to ban me???

Report system is a joke, and at this point its only harming genuine players who are being Dogpile reported by trolls. it seems that multiple reports against one guy is an insant ban by the bot. they need humans on this shit.

SeductiveCelery1 votes

meanwhile I say the same thing and get 7 downvotes lmfao

EvilDustMan1 votes

'They constantly catch this stuff constantly' Man, Riot is against freedom of speech. 'They missed one or two' RIOT ISN'T DOING THEIR JOB.

whatever.

AtrópaBelladonna1 votes

I mean honestly from what someone told me the more you report people the less a report counts when you report the next time.[slayer-jinx-unamused]

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