Hey Lyte, do high tier players get special treatment?

xJLx MCHammer·Nov 2, 2015·1 votes·706 views

Ok, I play mostly normal games. Because of that, my normal mmr tends to put me in teams with diamonds and plats. Hell, I'll even get challengers in my games

My games for the most part have no toxicity. But every once in a while, every 20-40 games I run into complete maniacs. What kind of maniac? Take this as an example, a d3 Diana who gets pissed at me for not trying to counter gank her lane because she was pushing lane; her response, I'm going to feed 20 kills for15 minutes and tell players in all chat about how the jungler is being toxic.

Now I was not being negative or toxic so I knew those reports if any would mean nothing. But if she ends the game with 0/20/0 not even get a simple ban or chat restriction? My friend did this in a game with me and j reported him, he got banned. This diamond player? Nope

25 Comments

SmokedAlmondsNov 2, 20153 votes

That is not special treatment for different ranks. That is the result of punishments being based off more than 1 game. So that game with your friend was his final straw, but the game with that diamond 3 was not his.

xJLx MCHammerNov 2, 20151 votes

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That is not special treatment for different ranks. That is the result of punishments being based off more than 1 game. So that game with your friend was his final straw, but the game with that diamond 3 was not his.

So feeding and being toxic(cursing etc) while being negative doesn't get people punished right away? He admits it in chat too

EvilDustManNov 2, 20153 votes

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So feeding and being toxic(cursing etc) while being negative doesn't get people punished right away? He admits it in chat too

Depends on the severity, but no, it's not instantaneous unless they are supremely bad.

xJLx MCHammerNov 2, 20151 votes

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Depends on the severity, but no, it's not instantaneous unless they are supremely bad.

So 0/15/0 Calling people names Being negative And admitting to doing it all intentionall is not on the higher end of "over the line"

EvilDustManNov 2, 20152 votes

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So 0/15/0 Calling people names Being negative And admitting to doing it all intentionall is not on the higher end of "over the line"

They'll likely get punished for it sooner rather than later, sorry you had a bad experience, but as time goes on, more of these people keeping getting banned.

xJLx MCHammerNov 2, 20151 votes

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They'll likely get punished for it sooner rather than later, sorry you had a bad experience, but as time goes on, more of these people keeping getting banned.

I'm sure they do, it's just I feel like diamonds can get away with it, their account is old hence in good standing so if they do it once every few months , it's ok.

EvilDustManNov 2, 20151 votes

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I'm sure they do, it's just I feel like diamonds can get away with it, their account is old hence in good standing so if they do it once every few months , it's ok.

None of those are factors? Age of account doesn't have to do with rank. Rank doesn't have to do with amount of toxicity. Rank doesn't have to do with amount of punishment. You are trying to look for correlations that aren't there.

SmokedAlmondsNov 2, 20151 votes

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I'm sure they do, it's just I feel like diamonds can get away with it, their account is old hence in good standing so if they do it once every few months , it's ok.

That has nothing to do with their higher rank. In this case the fact that they are diamond(both in your actual experience and the hypothetical one) is 100% irrelevant. Having a long clean history would increase how often they could get away with something but that has nothing to do with their rank only how much they play. Most people are going to slip up occasionally from time to time and the system is built with that in mind. I don't totally agree with that philosophy being applied to intentional feeding but requiring more infractions also increases accuracy which is especially important with someone more nuanced like intentional feeding.

ModUlanopoNov 2, 20152 votes

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I'm sure they do, it's just I feel like diamonds can get away with it, their account is old hence in good standing so if they do it once every few months , it's ok.

It used to be that you could be toxic, reform, be toxic, reform - lather, rinse, repeat. It hasn't been that way for a while.

They realized that the people who are going to reform usually do so after the first punishment. That's why they went to the 2-week ---> Permaban system.

RueianNov 2, 20152 votes

Which is actually harmful to reform. Considering riot does nothing to actually help a player reform other than 'maybe' show them a game they acted up in.

Everything about the system only hurts a player who struggles.

ModPrandineNov 2, 20151 votes

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Which is actually harmful to reform. Considering riot does nothing to actually help a player reform other than 'maybe' show them a game they acted up in.

Everything about the system only hurts a player who struggles.

Well what do you expect them to do then? There's only so much that Riot can do on their own. Yes they can show people why certain behaviors are wrong for this game, but it's up to the players themselves to make the choice to either change their behavior for the better or to keep acting like the only rules that matter are their own made-up ones and get punished because of them.

RueianNov 2, 20152 votes

Riot boasts having a system focused on reform, but the changes they put into place only harms the reform process... And really the statement

people who are going to reform usually do so after the first punishment.

Only discourages people. Might as well just tell the player they are a lost cause. You cant say a player isn't trying to change.

SmokedAlmondsNov 2, 20151 votes

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So feeding and being toxic(cursing etc) while being negative doesn't get people punished right away? He admits it in chat too

Very little, will get you punished for doing it once.

Shac NorrisNov 2, 20151 votes

Find me a game where you've been matched with a challenger...

And no, higher elo peep don't get special treatments.

xJLx MCHammerNov 2, 20151 votes

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Find me a game where you've been matched with a challenger...

And no, higher elo peep don't get special treatments.

4 days ago, it was a 26 min game with khazix. I lost the game. Morde was the challenger player, his name was Noah most

If you go even further back like a month ago, I had 2 in my game.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Xjlx+mchammer

Why would I lie lol?

Shac NorrisNov 2, 20151 votes

The only thing is.. When i look in Noah mosts's match history, he didn't play a single normal match...

Is that another match history bug?

xJLx MCHammerNov 2, 20151 votes

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The only thing is.. When i look in Noah mosts's match history, he didn't play a single normal match...

Is that another match history bug?

Nope, that's just it, that's how stupid normal match making becomes if you exclusively play normal games. You eventually just get diamonds and plat and you can be a bronze 5. I've contacted riot about this and they said it works perfectly fine as the system in normal sees my mmr in normal the same level as those players. But if those players not have one game a month in normal, that's too bad.

Shac NorrisNov 3, 20151 votes

Lol just yesterday i had a game where i was put against 2 diamonds, 1 master, 1 plat and 1 gold

And my team was like bronze 3, silver 2, silver 3 and 2 gold 5s

We won! :D

FiddlemediddlesNov 2, 20151 votes

So who is Lyte and did they ever respond?

ModWuksNov 2, 20151 votes

I think that the only group that gets preferential treatment are positive players. Not even Rioters are excempt from the Player Behavior systems that work in the game.

RueianNov 2, 20151 votes

And professionals. Professionals have more resources at their disposal when it comes to reformation, including help from Riot themselves. The proof is in the videos riot has made with 'toxic' professional players.

ModWuksNov 2, 20151 votes

I think it depends on how you look at it. Professional players who exhibit toxicity have in the past been suspended, permanently banned, fined, restricted from certain tournaments, etc. Different treatment, sure. Preferential treatment, I would argue not.

RueianNov 2, 20151 votes

Some of them were given direct help from riot in their reformation along with their team coaches and psychologists/therapists. If any other player walked up to riot and asked for help, they wouldn't get it. That is preferential treatment.

Professional players have a lot more resources when it comes to adjusting themselves.

ModWuksNov 2, 20151 votes

That could be because they have a contract with Riot, but that still doesn't mean that they can get away with being incredibly toxic in their games. If they're caught, they will be punished.

RueianNov 2, 20151 votes

Both cases are preferential treatment.

But my point is not for avoiding punishment for what they did, but rather the tools they have to aid in change.