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If Intentionally Feeding is reportable, why not Intentionally Killing an Intent Feeder?

hypnoso··8 votes·6,328 views
http://s14.postimg.org/lhbma9kap/feeding_vlad.png

(Ignore my salt)

As you can see by the picture, that I made careful to block names so no one would get harrased, I had an Vladimir who intentionally fed after giving first blood to the Darius. After running down some lanes some more, the Darius actually called him top to keep dying to him (which he did). He taunted things like "Vlad give me 4 items b4 20 mins" and "I'm going to honor you Vlad". We begged not only for the Vlad to stop intentionally feeding, but the Darius to not kill him.

Long story short, It is not only the person who is intentionally feeding that is ruining the game for others, but it is also the one that keeps purposely killing the feeder, knowing that it is intentional. If we are all supposed to be sportsmanlike, how does killing someone you know is purposefully trying to die to you demonstrating this behavior.

Personally, I reported the Vlad and Darius and unsportsmanlike conduct. Was the report on Darius justifiable or would he get an offense?

Thoughts?

38 Comments

RiotWookieeCookie20 votes

That kind of unsportsmanlike behavior is def reportable! He is clearly being an unsportsmanlike jerkoff. However, it isn't likely that the Darius would be banned for this one instance because at the end of the day he is merely killing an opponent who has decided to feed endlessly.

BUT! Behavior like this is probably a symptom of being an overall jerk in his matches. It's always good to report people being jerks, because overtime our system builds a profile of that player and their behavior. If they're acting like this in a game where they have the upper hand imagine the kind of tantrum they're likely to do when the feeder is on their team?

Palmeiras SerieB2 votes

And what is the point of reporting if you get no report feedback anyway?

hypnoso1 votes

I'm super late but thanks for your input and clarification!

God Emperor desu1 votes

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That kind of unsportsmanlike behavior is def reportable! He is clearly being an unsportsmanlike jerkoff. However, it isn't likely that the Darius would be banned for this one instance because at the end of the day he is merely killing an opponent who has decided to feed endlessly.

BUT! Behavior like this is probably a symptom of being an overall jerk in his matches. It's always good to report people being jerks, because overtime our system builds a profile of that player and their behavior. If they're acting like this in a game where they have the upper hand imagine the kind of tantrum they're likely to do when the feeder is on their team?

Why are you dwelling on such worthless information and this situation? He shouldn't be reported. He was just playing the game. IF the intentional feeder did not exist, he would have nobody to kill, unless he simply won the lane. The intentional feeder should be the only one who was reported.

IF you want to report the person who was killing the feeder, that's just being salty. It's an anomaly, it doesn't happen all the time. It's unscientific, lacks recurrence and is highly unlikely to happen again.

TrulyBland1 votes

IF you want to report the person who was killing the feeder

You're focussing on the wrong thing here. Darius wasn't just killing the feeder, and it doesn't seem to me like Wookiee was suggesting that this is what's reportable about his behaviour.

I also want to point out that your line of thinking also isn't all that sound. Just because something "shouldn't exist" doesn't mean that every form of behaviour towards that thing is appropriate or acceptable.

If you kill a murderer out of revenge, you will be punished for vigilantism. You cannot argue that it was okay just because the original murder shouldn't have happened in the first place. Another example would be knowingly accepting stolen goods with the intention of keeping or selling them. Just because they shouldn't have been stolen in the first place doesn't protect you from punishment.

The list goes on an on. The simple fact is: Whether a situation "should" exist or not is irrelevant. It exists, and as such you can be judged by how you react to it.

God Emperor desu1 votes

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You're focussing on the wrong thing here. Darius wasn't just killing the feeder, and it doesn't seem to me like Wookiee was suggesting that this is what's reportable about his behaviour.

I also want to point out that your line of thinking also isn't all that sound. Just because something "shouldn't exist" doesn't mean that every form of behaviour towards that thing is appropriate or acceptable.

If you kill a murderer out of revenge, you will be punished for vigilantism. You cannot argue that it was okay just because the original murder shouldn't have happened in the first place. Another example would be knowingly accepting stolen goods with the intention of keeping or selling them. Just because they shouldn't have been stolen in the first place doesn't protect you from punishment.

The list goes on an on. The simple fact is: Whether a situation "should" exist or not is irrelevant. It exists, and as such you can be judged by how you react to it.

Do you think that this person just started intentionally feeding on a whim? Or do you think that his team was calling him bad, down-talking him and making him feel bad about himself?

Either outcome results in the same thing, he intentionally fed. Darius didn't make him feed, Darius didn't make anybody beg, Darius just capitalized on Vlad's poorplaying and intentional feeding to end the game sooner. He made a single comment that was quoted here. He was stating a fact. He was going to honor Vlad, and he got 4 items before 20 minutes. Vlad ruined the game, why should Darius get punished for it?

I get intentional feeders all the time, but I don't complain. I just say: "Okay, go for it. I don't really care, either way. It's just one game in the grand scheme of things."

I then proceed to report them and move on to the next game.

TrulyBland1 votes

Vlad ruined the game, why should Darius get punished for it?

Because Darius was encouraging it via honoring the feeder and rubbing the easy victory in the enemy team's face. It's essentially like saying "gg ez". And just like "gg ez" it's a very minor offense, but nonetheless reportable negative behaviour.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying Darius should be permanently banned from ever playing League of Legends again. I'm not even saying he should get a chat restriction based on this incident alone. But I do believe it should ultimately be considered in, as you call it, the grand scheme of things. If he acts like this frequently, I think a chat restriction is a good way to remind him of the Summoner's Code: Show Humility in Victory, and Grace in Defeat.

Your attitude when it comes to feeders is definitely more healthy than the attitude the OP seems to have... but that ultimately doesn't translate to whether or not something should be reportable or not.

DHZ10 votes

Can't blame Darius. In the end we are all trying to win, and if an intentional feeder is running down my lane, I'm killing him, too (although I wouldn't taunt in chat).

Vladimir is the only justified report IMO.

TheSingularity2 votes

That and in some cases, if they're trying really hard to feed, they will try and kill the same guy they intend to feed kills to.

This creates a lose lose situation. If they kill the feeder they help him succeed. If they don't then they give some troll a lead which he may in fact abuse to win a game and get the noble individual who refused to farm kills reported.

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

Darius was also a justified report not for killing an intent feeder, but for his constant baiting "Vlad feed me!" etc. Baiting other people into doing a reportable behavior should be reportable too.

archerno13 votes

Because killing enemy is one of objectives. How you do it is not important

Warlord Zudane2 votes

This is the point. Don't try to get Darius banned because Vlad was feeding him. What do you want Darius to do? Not kill him? Just not fight? Report him for unsportsmanlike conduct if you want, but really all he did was kill someone that was throwing himself to be killed.

Sir Fuzzi2 votes

Vlad is nixed for sure, but Darius would only probably get some if the tribunal were about.

As it stands, the automated system will probably just phase him through. Should he be punished? Again, I'd leave that to the tribunal.

XerShade1 votes

Only on the grounds of he was a n ass would I hit that punishment button. :)

zacktootall2 votes

i wouldn't ask to be fed but if there is a kill there i'm going for it sry

and Darius is getting off scot free cuz the automated system (in place of the tribunal) is shit

archerno17 votes

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i wouldn't ask to be fed but if there is a kill there i'm going for it sry

and Darius is getting off scot free cuz the automated system (in place of the tribunal) is shit

Darius is getting scot free because he isnt doing anything wrong

TrulyBland1 votes

Encouraging an intentional feeder in his behaviour? Taunting the enemy for something entirely out of their control?

That said, I wouldn't even say he's getting away scot free. People have gotten punishment for excessive taunting before, so the system definitely is able to catch taunting in general. Of course whether it's able to detect this specific taunt as going overboard is a different question.

zacktootall1 votes

no the system is shit you need to be punished if you literally asking the intent feeder to feed you.

archerno11 votes

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no the system is shit you need to be punished if you literally asking the intent feeder to feed you.

Why?

zacktootall1 votes

cuz then your just as bad if not worst then the guy doing the intent feeding

SuperLuigiLXIV1 votes

Why?

the goal of ranked is to WIN. Killing someone is part of trying to win. Feeding is trying to lose. Trying to take advantage of any situation you can to win is just part of ranked. It's not the fault of the Darius that his particular situation was going against a troll.

Is the Darius as big of a jerk as the Vladimir for talking shit? Absolutely. But the ACTIONS of the Vlad and the Darius are worlds apart. Darius worked to win. Vlad worked to lose. Simple as that.

OP, if it makes you feel any better, I checked out the jerk's match history. Directly after his free lane and game against the Vlad, he got bent over and dominated by a Cho'gath :)

zacktootall1 votes

i understand the goal is to win but where is your skill?! is that next rank worth getting to if your just going to get stomped because your skill is killing a target that wants to be killed rather the targets that want to kill? that darius being dominated by cho'gath is a perfect example. that means that darius was weighing down that team.

SuperLuigiLXIV1 votes

I am not saying you want to rely on enemies feeding you.

I am saying that if they decide to do it, it would be wrong of you not to utilize the weakness in the enemy team.

It's the same reason I pick Janna when the enemy team has Vi, Gnar and Leblanc. I'm exploiting their inability to come at my team if I can stop their initial gap closers by picking THE gap closer stopper.

zacktootall1 votes

ok yes utilize it by all means but don't openly show that your the biggest asshole in the room by actually asking for it. that is why i think this darius should be punished

SuperLuigiLXIV1 votes

This was my original point! Darius SHOULD be punished for being an asshat. He should NOT be punished for killing a guy just because that guy was trying to get killed.

zacktootall1 votes

wow lets just stick to one chat im already dizzy with rage

so dizzy i replied to the wrong response

zacktootall1 votes

oh and sense you went on the topic of what you do in game here is another reason why i think he should be punished, i'm a Top Laner and proud of it but this darius puts shame to that name. that is my thoughts on this situation

SuperLuigiLXIV1 votes

I'm a proud top laner as well.

I will not copy the Vladimir by intentionally throwing away chances to improve my team's victory.

zacktootall1 votes

so why the hell did we have this chat then?! sorry for the attitude im pissed at something else

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

If someone says "go on, just AFK" or "cmon just feed me" you're baiting another user into doing something reportable, and I think that you should be reported for that too.

archerno11 votes

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If someone says "go on, just AFK" or "cmon just feed me" you're baiting another user into doing something reportable, and I think that you should be reported for that too.

How are you "baiting" someone? Your logic makes no sense.

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

You're being toxic by encouraging someone else to be toxic is the best way I can explain it.

TrulyBland2 votes

The taunting / bragging is definitely unsportsmanlike.

Killing an intentional feeder however... well... the problem is that first and foremost, you have an obligation towards your own team, and only secondly to the enemy. I mean, say you ignore the feeder, and you are kinda low. Would you stay on lane and risk that this feeder suddenly starts attacking again, and thus most likely also get a hefty bounty? A feeder is still ultimately an enemy and thus an inconvenience at least. You can lose an advantage fairly quickly, and to lose it because you are trying to be nice... well, I'd risk it if it was only my own win on the line. And I'm certainly willing to risk it, if the rest of the team agrees. But I won't decide on my own whether I should risk my whole team's advantage for the sake of being friendly.

Paradise Proxy1 votes

you can arrest someone for stealing your money and giving it out randomly to people on the street, but you can't punish people for accepting the stolen money.

TrulyBland1 votes

I agree that you shouldn't be banned for killing an intentional feeder... but that's a pretty bad analogy to make that point. Knowingly accepting stolen goods with the intention to keep them is definitely not legal.

Granite1 votes

Yeah u can if they know its stolen

Woodakoodashooda1 votes

Player behavior is unpredictable. Unless the intentional feeder is walking up to turret without attacking anyone or anything, I will kill them. If they attack me, what am I to do? Ignore them even though I know they're trying to goad me into killing them and that I could end up giving the enemy team a kill if I do not retaliate? Their gold value diminishes with each death while the gold value of the person killing the feeder increases over time.

I don't taunt enemies unless first taunted, and only after punishing them for their cockiness and only if I've time enough to spare, as in there's no enemy champion left nearby to kill or avoid.

EstebanElGuapo1 votes

I've played a game where a dude was performing badly on enemy team and seemed to be feeding, but also just appeared to have a bad start and possibly feel it was a lost cause to turn around yet wanting to go in and dieing from being behind. Yet he was fighting, just all in on fights he unlikely to win. Yet when the ideal setup due to how a teamfight would play out he would get a nice kill or double kill ect. So he still trying just seeming to feel it is a lost cause and not being terribly picky which fights to take. Some people like this you can't avoid killing them because they do want to kill you and will and it almosts looks like they are switching between trying and not trying but more subtle psychology likely going on.

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