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Perma banned for one irritated game

JavaFX··2 votes·1,521 views

Honestly, I'm just disappointed.

I'm disappointed that people can take actions inside a game to intentionally anger their teammates and those teammates are not allowed to say a single thing back OR ELSE. I'm also disappointed that I could have reported every person on my team but I let it go because at the end of the day, it's just a game and we all have bad days sometimes. I said some stuff, sure but permanently banned for one single game where I've played literally fucking THOUSANDS and been friendly, extremely friendly - it's just not right.

I've been here since season 2, and honestly, I just feel betrayed. Everyone is going to have a bad game once in a while, everyone is going to want to get annoyed because they're trying and their teammates come up and do something dumb. It's gonna happen. The last time I had a "bad day" was about six months ago, before that, 2 years, before that, never. I want a damn freebie every once in a while, or make the system automatically mute a player for a game when a chat log becomes a "toxic" log.

I can't vent in chat, why not? I mean honestly, why not just mute me with the mute button? I tried to the end. I just didn't want to group, I was playing garen, didn't really trust my teammates to team fight and I felt like splitting was my best option. I sure didn't sound like it in chat but I definitely tried my ass off to the end of that game, I was just angry as hell.

The idea behind the honor system is honestly just busted. I can sit there and be nice and friendly for a thousand games but if someone doesn't want to honor me for being nice and playing well or whatever then being nice doesn't mean shit to how "honorable" I am. It just looks at it and rates it as a zero because someone didn't select me.

At the very least can I be permanently muted instead? Is that not the problem? If i tried to the end of the game physically then is me typing not actually the problem?

I just really don't feel like this was just at all.

26 Comments

Chermorg8 votes

Nobody angered you except yourself. You are not the victim here. You were unable to control yourself - that's nobody's fault but your own.

You also didn't get punished for one game. You got punished for being toxic after multiple warnings in the form of your prior punishments.

Your chat is not the problem - your inability to control yourself is. If you couldn't chat, I can virtually guarantee (and this is supported by statistics) that you would resort to "soft trolling" as a form of being toxic in game - you'd spam ping others in the middle of fights, use emotes to express your toxic attitude, "accidentally" steal someone's jungle camp.. or other things. I can say this because, again, the problem is not your chat - the problem is your attitude and inability to control your emotions.

Keep in mind that even if only one game was displayed in your chat card, it is highly likely that is not the only recent game you were toxic in. The system records any valid report against you - but it may not necessarily display all of those games in your reform card (one big reason is if you play lots of games, the system will only display the most "memorable" game, i.e. the most recent). I suspect if you ask Riot Support they will confirm that you are toxic in not just one game per few months, but many of your games - even if many of those games aren't toxic enough to merit a punishment on their own. Again, this is an attitude problem you have - not a "once in a blue moon bad game". Players who have a bad game once in a blue moon do sometimes get punished - but they don't get permanently banned - they get a warning chat restriction and improve their behavior.

High Carnifex1 votes

You know, I keep seeing Rioters, Heralds, and Advisors say this stuff is supported by statistics, but they never post the statistics or how they got them.

Chermorg7 votes

The Level 20 challenge was run a few years ago, where selected players who Riot thought had the best chance of reform were given the opportunity to make a new account to level 20 with no punishments for a chance to get their main account back. The success rate was 5%. Permanently banned players are not "bad game every blue moon" - they have a long term problem that many of them refuse to solve.

The other source is Riot posts (mainly Pendragon, a few Lyte) on the old boards where they discussed the outcomes of the time when the system had the ability to place tens of thousands of chat restricted games on players. These players who were "indefinitely muted" resorted to trolling games. Again, it is an attitude problem - not a chat problem. See a Tantram post that summarizes the old posts pretty well:

Link to Post

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?

High Carnifex1 votes

The success rate of one experiment is the only statistical basis for these claims? Surely, there's more? Also, what statistical basis did they have for assuming they had the best chance of reform? And who made that decision? A therapist? Something tells me not.

I would rather have an appropriate system in place to punish people within context and scope. Someone who threatens to kill their team should not be punished on the same level as someone who gets a little sour with their team because they're getting flamed.

If you're going to chop the hand off of someone for theft and give the same punishment to someone that hits another person, I'd rather just have the thieves. Justice is blind, not stupid.

Disregardable is exactly right, though. This board is full of people, advisors, heralds included- Who just sit back and try to parrot what Rioters say and blindly point at the rules instead of pushing for any actual decent system. And what happens is (By the way, Rioters do this, too) people point at the rule book, ignore what you said or what context it was said in, and say "Tough shit, bud. Shouldn't have been negative at all, it doesn't matter why." Oh, or "MUTE BUTTON OR GTFO," in essence. Because being understanding to the human condition and need to defend ourselves would be stupid. (What?)

Also, people do well with a warning, before they're punished. A "Hey, you're 1 good report away from being banned" Will help.

The absolute vagueness and lack of clarity in the definitions in the rules is wildly irritating. I would be more than happy to go under contract to write a faux lawbook for League of Legends to properly clarify these things.

disregardable2 votes

All this board does is parrot what Rioters have said. All it does is explain how the system works. If Riot actually published all the info on how the system worked in one visible spot, this board wouldn't need to exist.

AeroWaffle3 votes

I disagree, people would still come to contest their bans.

disregardable3 votes

No they wouldn't, because the rules page would be very clear (you know, the way it logically should be).

(rough draft) Chat Rules Page:

The Golden Rule: If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

League of legends chat is meant to be positive and constructive, and these behaviors have been consistently found by the community to derail games. By opening the client and queueing up for a game, you agree to abide by the following rules when engaging in chat:

  1. You may not use any hate speech (incl. but not limited to homophobia, racism, and antisemitism) under any circumstances. Choosing to do so will result in an immediate 14 day ban, or permanent suspension.
  1. You may not insult your teammates or their gameplay, in any way, for any reason.
  1. You may not threaten your teammates in any way, including threatening to throw the game.
  1. You may not ask for reports for your teammates or the enemy team. Mute, focus on the game, and report afterward!
  1. Chat is for strategic discourse, not arguing. If your team doesn't agree with you, let it go.

Am I missing anything?

AeroWaffle1 votes

You mean the stuff that is already here?

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player

disregardable2 votes

ah yes, the support page that everyone that frequents this board knows exists,

but nobody else does until AFTER they're punished. :)

It's not a rules page, it's a support page, and that's the problem.

Also, it's too vague.

AeroWaffle4 votes

but nobody else does until AFTER they're punished. :)

Which would be the case pretty much no matter where you place it. Anyone who feels like their behavior is fine is not going to actively read a page that talks about what behavior is not allowed.

Also, it's too vague.

It's vague on the points that it needs to be vague on. It would be both impossible and ineffective to attempt to list all ways that a person can be a jerk.

disregardable2 votes

Yes, it's completely impossible to make everyone understand what the rules are.

my mistake, I guess there's nothing wrong with intentionally obscuring the rules from your players after all.

AeroWaffle2 votes

THE FOLLOWING ARE BEHAVIORS THAT MAY BE ACTED ON BY OUR DISCIPLINARY SYSTEMS: -Insulting, harassing, or offensive language directed at other players. -Any kind of hate speech such as homophobia, sexism, racism, and ableism. -Intentionally ruining the game for other players with in game actions such as griefing, feeding, or purposely playing in a way to make it harder for the rest of the team. -Leaving or going AFK at any point during the match being played. -Unnecessarily disruptive language or behavior that derails the match for other players. -Inappropriate Summoner Names.

What's super obscure about those rules? Personally, I can summarize many of those under, "Don't be a jerk".

Heck,

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/summoners-code

Tells you to not rage, blame, or tear people down. It's even part of the "Getting started" page. Where do you think Riot should place it to make it more likely to be read?

disregardable2 votes

-Unnecessarily disruptive language or behavior that derails the match for other players.

that one.

what does that even mean? they mean arguing and spamming, so why don't they just say that?

"because then people will say, but it's positive arguing! or strategic arguing!"

but what people say in response doesn't change that what Riot is actually banning is arguing.

AeroWaffle2 votes

what does that even mean? they mean arguing and spamming, so why don't they just say that?

As you countered your own argument, arguing alone is not against the rules. Two people can argue whether or not to take baron, to make a dive on enemy champ, and so on. It's when they start insulting the other person for their opinion that it's now out of line.

It's also not only including "arguing and spamming". If someone was talking in chat, not spamming, but just filling chat with disgusting or disturbing stories that has nothing to do with the game, it would fall under that rule. But it would be cleared if the rule only said, "No arguing and spamming".

disregardable2 votes

it doesn't have to include insults to be validly reported, though.

it just has to be an argument that is not helping them win the game.

AeroWaffle1 votes

it just has to be an argument that is not helping them win the game.

So an argument that is helping them win the game is fine?

disregardable1 votes

if it exists

disregardable1 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/Z3u6U6Mp-perma-banned-for-doing-absolutely-nothing

2 chat bans and a 2 week ban.

still had no idea asking for reports and saying people aren't good was against the rules, because "it's not swearing".

and this is just the next one that's come up since we chatted.

clearly Riot is doing a great job at conveying the rules to their players, and there is no problem here at all. :P

Aneirin2 votes

Don't mention rank shaming, threatening not to gank or telling people their parents don't love them though.

Honestly if people need instructions on how to not be a dick then the problem is with them.

Jo0o2 votes

Why would they lie?

High Carnifex1 votes

The same reason all multimillion dollar corporations lie- Image and control. Mind you, on a much different course and scale than politics or big companies do it, but all the same.

If they have all of this data, why isn't it posted? Why are the people subjected to the course not privileged with the information? They could put all of their "statistics" in one post and make it obvious, clarified, and transparent. But they don't, because they either do not have stats, or the stats contradict what they say.

MrFawknSunshine3 votes

why do you have to use chat to vent? why cant you not chat and just vent out loud in your room?

G2 Peeps2 votes

Riot got your money, that's all they care about.

High Carnifex1 votes

Pretty much this.

Kareshi1 votes

Should just used mute button and disabled chat when you got 14 day ban, because you failed to use a simple mute, no sympathy at all.

rip bro

dont play the game or make a new account and use common sense.

disregardable1 votes

That sucks man. If you make a new account, I'd recommend not using chat, and also not spending money.

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