Open Letter to Riot

woodvsmurph··1 votes·626 views

I have played this game for quite awhile now because it can be very fun, it's free to play, has great visuals, and doesn't require an expensive gaming pc to run at decent graphics settings. There are many things I love about the game, but also some which bother me greatly. Other players on the boards and I have made post after post about things we like, don't like, and things that are funny. Yet, little attention seems to be paid to them - even the ones with merit. Hide behind "you're not plat+, your opinion doesn't matter" "you don't understand anything about the game" or whatever excuse - they are not valid. Well over half the players are lower than plat. By sheer weight, that makes their/our opinions matter... or should. Faker, the unkillable demon king himself, said that low elo players are more likely to discover new meta builds because they are more willing to risk their elo than high rank players. So there is yet another reason opinions of lower elo players can matter; some do understand the game... in great depth.

Today I want to talk about one particular sore area: what deserves warnings/punishments/bans

I play league to have fun and try my best. I stick mostly to ranked because I want a challenge and to know where I stack up. That's what ranked is SUPPOSED to be. People are SUPPOSED to be grouped based on skill level. Thus, since I have weaker mechanics than someone like Bjergsen, I'm not in challenger. While at the same time, I might have better macro than a bronze player, so I'm in a higher elo than them. Yet every day, players around the globe experience playing with teammates who are nowhere near their proper elo and it makes the game disgustingly 1-sided.

Let me describe a few instances of this type of play to begin with. You see the enemy team has a ton of hard engage and burst damage as well as sustained damage. So... you last pick lux support. You have 0 skill with the champ, being unable to land more than 2 q's the entire game, missing ults on cc'd targets, and position to get hit by every enemy cc possible as though you are a melee champ. You don't build sightstone and don't use your trinket to ward... beyond it's initial use at level 1.

You're playing adc and you aren't the best at it, so... you lock in vayne. You die once in lane and decide you need to immediately make the enemy pay for that, so you all-in them again and give the enemy another double kill. After this, you auto shove the lane and try to duel the enemy all of laning phase. You never ward, so feed the enemy jungler too whenever he leaves from camping your toplaner non-stop for 15 min straight. You flame your jungler for not ganking for you enough. You tell your toplaner he's garbage for being 1/3/0 and up 20 cs while being 2v1'd every time he leaves tower; he's obviously stupid for asking you to play safe and farm at tower. You end up going 1/7/0 in lane, being down 50 cs and 2 levels, and refuse to listen to your teammates about anything. They can 3v4 try to stall the enemies you fed; you gotta get some farm and bot outer tower even if it costs your mid inhib tower.

You are winning early game bot lane, and forced the enemy adc to run to other lanes and soak xp and cs. They make your midlaner and toplaner fall behind due to being in a 1v2 lane and being ganked by jungle. Meanwhile, you slow push your lane, trade farm with the enemy support despite being 2v1, and don't try to kill tower either. When your mid and top ask you to push or rotate to counter the enemy adc ganking their lanes non-stop from stealth, you tell them they are just bad and shut the f up.

You are playing jungle. Your toplaner is winning his lane despite a rough matchup and the enemy having ignite and the enemy jungler repeat ganking and blowing flash several times to try to kill him. All other lanes are losing. You haven't ganked for anyone except two ganks bot. You've solo killed people a few times; usually people who overstay at low hp after killing their lane opponent or people barely escaping your toplaner. The two of you essentially 2v5 stall out 3 fed enemies for about 15 min, but your bot and mid are still useless and inting at every opportunity. So what do you do? Flame your toplaner for building damage instead of full tank because obviously going full tank so he would lose lane is going to help so much vs a 15/4/7 vayne. If only he didn't build to combo with you and 1-shot vayne, you would certainly have won teamfights with only jg yi as a damage source lol.

You fed bot lane, but thanks to your mid having decent damage and your fed toplaner (got fed despite no help from team), you manage to "ks" some enemies in teamfights. Your toplaner throws away his perfect kda to die every teamfight because that's the only way your team can shut down the enemy adc and jg who are fed. You just do the last 10% of damage and hide behind his peeling. Then you get a potential game-winning baron. Since you've caught up, your toplaner splits and promises to tp when minions hit inhib and join you to break the base. He ends up getting 3-manned by the enemy adc, jg, and toplaner as he is pushing. But he keeps baiting them. He ends up killing 2 and then dying. Meanwhile you 4v2 push mid, kill the inhib, and win the game. You then tell him he's welcome for you carrying his worthless ass all game. After all, you ended the game 14/7/2 while he ended the game with only 6 kills and 7 deaths (6/7/31 - despite having to tank several fed enemies and still provide 60% of the damage in mid game fights). Obviously he's a noob.

Your jungler camps for you bot. After trading 1 for 1 and 2 for 2 many times, eventually you get a lead and start snowballing. After killing the enemy tower though, it takes another 10min before you listen to your toplaner and rotate that to pressure anything on the map instead of just trading farm with your lane opponent after you got your lead. Meanwhile, he's gone 1/5/0 by 25 min into game while being camped by an ignite ww jungle and laning against a garen. And... he builds bork. Naturally, your support tells the idiot what's what. Let him know he's an idiot because bork is "worthless and troll" on renekton, that you will report him for building bork, and that he can rot - you'll rotate and pressure the map when you're good and ready. You carry teamfight after teamfight. Meanwhile your toplaner hugs tower, wards, pings out enemy roams, and just farms. He comes to fights and peels for you, but he can't really kill anyone. WW follows him everywhere and ults him on cd, so at least he's serving a purpose. By mid/late game, he's reasonably tanky, playing as smart as he can with your team not warding very well and only having 2 wards of his own, and can 1v1 garen or warwick. He ends game with a pathetic 8/7/14 kda while you end game with a 21/3/4 kda. You remember to tell him he's a useless noob, he's getting reported for trolling and building bork, and he's stupid for saying he needs counter-ganks early game when being camped non-stop. After all, renekton can basically 1v5 with no skill for the first 8 levels of the game right?

That's about the average level of my teammates in gold. If I were to play with their attitude, their macro play, and their skill level; I'd be bronze within a week. But even if I report for something like the above happening - even if they literally type in-game that they are playing on a friend's/sibling's account (and don't have the skill to be at this elo; essentially elo boosted) - they are 99.999% likely to face no negative consequences. They will stay at their elo, keep their account, and go on to make the game less fun for others and myself.

Yet... I cannot tell someone that they are an idiot. Let me break down the situation and give a comparison. If I feed a darius 4 kills in lane and I'm 0/4/0, I should be hugging my tower, asking for help (maybe; depends on scenario), and sacrificing cs to soak xp. If I instead auto-shove lane, refuse to ward, and continue trying to 1v1 darius or even dive in 1v2 if their jg ganks; I will be called an idiot. And for good reason. I would be ruining everyone else's game. Making my opponent impossibly fed so that it doesn't matter how well my teammates are doing because their opponents are playing smart/playing safe. If I'm then 1/10/0 and blaming my team for not ganking as I continue to try to duel darius. I refuse to ever group up. I steal all solo lane xp and cs as much as possible. I ignore repeated pings and vision from wards warning me when I'm about to get flanked and killed and just keep solo pushing at cost of my adc and mid losing their advantages they earned 1v1 and 2v2 because they are stuck trying to 4v5 or 3v5 all game after laning phase. If I keep doing this all game and tell my team they are being toxic to me because they say that my play is retarded, I am being an idiot. Sub in adc or another role in place of toplane and this is what I see way too often from my teammates - just with the roles reversed; I'm screaming at them to not run down mid farming minions because there's 4 enemies we all saw at our red buff and they're going to kill our adc for solo pushing like that. I'm a patient man, but if you ignore teammates for over 10 min straight of them giving encouraging/helpful, non-negative advice and info and keep making the game more difficult to win; at some point people get sick of it. After so many games in a row of the same selfish, blind, intentional feeding plays happening; I can't be expected to sit silently or be nice about it; especially when they go unpunished post-game despite such behavior being reported.

If I can be flamed for a legitimate build when I'm the only one on the team who didn't feed and those who flame and harass me go unpunished... If I can be camped, still win lane over 50% of the time despite no help from team while my teammate(s) refuse to play safe 1v1 or 2v2 and just scale up so we can win a teamfight and they go unpunished for running it down lane all game... If I can be called an idiot or retarded or sometimes essentially the same but without those exact words so the system doesn't see it as toxic and those doing this go unpunished despite being reported... But I get punished for telling someone they're an idiot after they run in and start a 4v5 or 3v5 with no wards while I'm halfway across the map and they don't give me a single place to tp to... while my teammates fed all laning phase and refused to play safe after starting 0/4/0... while I go 2/3/0 and am up 35 cs despite being camped... while my jungler refuses to tower dive an enemy toplaner at 10%hp but will run all the way to bot lane (doing nothing in between after grabbing red buff) to trade 1 for 2 for our feeding bot lane... I could go on... but the point is... your system is flawed and needs a major tuneup. There is no way that such play should go unpunished - let alone that I should regularly have such poor teammate(s) dragging the rest of our team down - while I can be punished because I tell someone to stop being an idiot after they've inted for over a dozen times that game (and I asked nicely the first 7 times).

So, as I've posted before - I CHALLENGE any Riot employee to either follow my games for a week and see how messed up ranked is or to vod review some of these matches where "I've been toxic without reason". Because in my book and in the book of most people on the boards, inting and flaming teammates without cause is no better than calling someone an idiot or telling them to "stop making retarded engages" after they've fed over half a dozen kills and refuse to play safe or heed warnings of teammates. Start weeding these intentional feeders and needlessly toxic (but avoid the taboo words like idiot or retarded) out. Chat restrict THEM, ban THEM, or demote THEM to their proper elo. Stop giving such players a pass. Look back at the examples I've posted. Tell me, would you like to play in a game with them? How about have such people in over 50% of your games easily. Have them make games literally impossible to win - their opponents can 2v5 - when all it would take was playing safe, playing smart and the game was EASILY winnable. Would you like such players in your game? Would you like them ignoring easy plays that could be made to get you snowballing? Would you like them flaming you when you are literally the only reason your team is still IN the game and has a CHANCE to win? No???? I didn't think so. Well neither do I.

20 Comments

Chermorg7 votes

Hey guys, I know that the OP wrote a long post, but keep in mind that they're trying to get their opinions and ideas across. If all you have to say is something along the lines of "post too long" or similar, please consider whether you actually need to be posting that. It stifles discussion and inhibits the ability of the OP to get answers/discussion around their concerns to have many spam posts of "this post is very long". Thanks all :)

nerak231 votes

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Hey guys, I know that the OP wrote a long post, but keep in mind that they're trying to get their opinions and ideas across. If all you have to say is something along the lines of "post too long" or similar, please consider whether you actually need to be posting that. It stifles discussion and inhibits the ability of the OP to get answers/discussion around their concerns to have many spam posts of "this post is very long". Thanks all :)

Its not entirely the long post as I read every word, its the negative vibes that I will not bother to single out, as like you I believe people have a right to vent and express their options.

With due respect, what question or concern OP would you like to discuss to start with?

Magical Player5 votes

If I read correctly Your upset with the way your punished for harassing a harasser, or calling people bad while you’re carrying in your own way I’d like to see your chat logs to see what exactly the triggers are in your case.

nerak233 votes

I'd rather play with someone who trys and talks less.

SOOM2 votes

This

General Esdeath 3 votes

Damn OP you typed more for this post than I did for my unknown microorganism paper for microbiology.

Now onto the post, no we shouldn't pardon ANY toxic behavior. It opens way too many doors.

Also, chat logs?

woodvsmurph1 votes

I'm not saying being toxic is pardonable or that it should be ignored. I am saying that only half the problem is being addressed while the half that causes everything to begin with is being ignored or rewarded. To take an extreme hypothetical comparison, it's like somebody breaks into my neighbor's house and tries to kill them. I hear the commotion, go to help, and end up shooting the guy who broke in and tried to kill my neighbor. The police come after the other guy leaves and arrest me while letting the other guy off the hook; don't even open an investigation. Sound fair? No.

If I didn't regularly having bot lanes going 0/7/0 while blindly shoving and FORCING bad fights vs their opponents (as opposed to having fights forced on them while they TRY to play safe - a forgivable offense), I would have no problems. But when you get those people in so many games in a row that you expect to see that kda pretty much every game and the 2 or 3 out of 10 you don't see that game, you could sleep all game and get a free win; it's not ok. To make it even better, I'm 2v1'd almost non-stop for 15 min straight - preventing me from winning lane when I otherwise could and snowball. My jungler either ignores my request for counter-ganks or runs top once, ignores my pings, feeds a kill from horribly timed gank, and then ints all game. Meanwhile my lane opponent bm spams emotes or mastery as though they're better than me when they have a 2v1 and 1/3 the time took ignite too. Like wow - you're so great. And even IF AND WHEN I still manage to win my lane (happens way more than it should in such a scenario), I can't do anything. Splitpush? No, I'll get 4v1'd while my team refuses to push or ward. Teamfight? Yeah, lemme just tank 3 fed enemies while my team can't finish off a 1/4hp squishy I bursted before getting perma-cc'd for 6 sec and deleted by their whole team. And even when I see a play, communicate it REPEATEDLY, use pings, and ask nicely, I'm ignored. Well after 15 min of being ignored or worse while having to try to outplay a 2v1 and be in position to carry, I get fed up with people making the same bad plays. Newsflash - if it didn't work the first 7 times you tried it, it's not going to work the 8th time - especially now that they're fed. Maybe... try LISTENING to someone else's idea and improve. On the worse games, I'm getting flamed for my build (despite being the only one winning my lane while others all feed), getting spam pinged and harassed for not tp'ing, for not pushing, for not everything. Sure, lemme just run around blind in what I can guarantee will end up a 1v4 and push tower... not. Blame me for building damage to win lane instead of full tank on a bruiser... obviously going full tank so we have no damage will let us shut down a 15/2/4 vayne (when i've never even fought her yet). Report me for building sterak's on a nasus and call me a noob and trash. When I can practically 1v3 despite getting no help from team the entire game while the rest of team can't 4v2 enemy bot lane. Obviously my fault we lost and I should be reported for this. Never mind the 12 times people engaged outnumbered fights or died facechecking when I pinged 4x "danger" right where they run to. Clearly my whole team should harass me and claim it's my fault. Clearly they should report me as toxic for telling them to stop taking stupid fights. Or for telling them it's retarded to flash tower dive 1v2 to try to kill an illaoi at level 2 when you could wait 4 sec, push in the wave, save flash, get a 2v2, and not feed the enemy jg. Or to ignore a "free kill" (land one ability and an auto vs a flashless enemy toplaner shoving my tower) when my jg is already topside and just got buff (red or blue), is 3/4hp, knows enemy jg is not around; no, it's much better for them to run all the way to my 0/7/0 bot lane to try to 3v2 only to get 1 kill for 3 deaths and give double buffs to enemy adc. This is much better call than listening to me and picking up a free kill top? Seeing these same bad plays time after time, game after game, while having team blame me for it all, ignore POSITIVE advice (just farm at tower, you'll be ok, care for gank, they doing drag - don't contest this one, enemy sup is top - push lane 2v1), and criticize me for: build, tp, not-tp, splitpush, teamfight, etc.; it gets to be too damn much.

Ex: Team engages with no vision away from tower vs 3 fed enemies. Walk into a 3v5 and get deleted without killing anyone. I explained nicely 4x, farm at tower, use wards, stall, farm. Do not chase and we can catch up and win. Well, guess what... I've been ignored 4x, had other stuff ignored, been called an idiot for building bork on renekton, and been flamed for not tp'ing to contest a drag 3v5 vs fed enemy bot lane and mid. I've been harassed for splitpushing when I tell team to group; never mind that I've pulled the enemy bot lane top and can 1v2 them; I'm a horrible hypocrit for giving my team a 4v3 by splitting according to my team. So now, when they dive in 3v5 and get deleted for the 8th time, I tell them to stop being idiots. For this, I'm punished. But teammates harassing me, mocking me, ignoring pings, not warding anything, and playing agro while they feed all game is not punished in the slightest???! This - this I take issue with. Hence, my letter.

General Esdeath 2 votes

"or rewarded"

This is the phrase I love. How do you know they aren't being punished? Because they don't post here? If they're trolling, they know they're risking accounts. They won't post here and give you the satisfaction.

woodvsmurph1 votes

Because after weeks of reports, not a single "summoner has been..." report that you get when logging into game. Not one. Sure you don't get notified every time, but if it's been weeks of having this and not once do you get such a report... they are obviously going unpunished or even rewarded. Rewarded in that they could do such a thing in a game and provoke you repeatedly the entire game and then only the chat log where you said "idiot" or "retarded" is looked at while their equally unacceptable speech and inting goes unpunished.

I'm the guy who will say that if provoked and/or pushed too far repeatedly. There's only so many losses I can take in a week with team inting (on purpose), ignoring pings, blaming me for everything I do or don't do while ignoring all their faults and repeating them. But I'm also...

The first guy to stick up for someone who's merely having a bad game. The 0/3/0 yasuo mid who's been ganked 4 times? I'm the guy telling my jungler to stop going for another camp when mid's getting ganked; help your laner, THEN do the camp. I'm the guy who tp's bot to save them from a 4 man gank and net them 2 kills and a tower. I'm also the guy who sees a 0/7/0 bot lane that actually TRIED to play safe, but got repeatedly dove after falling down 0/3/0 and tells them to 2v1 farm top by my tower since my lane opponent isn't a threat to them and I will deal with the fed enemy bot lane even though it means less cs for me and probably worse kda. I'm the guy who will dive in to start off a teamfight even if it means I will guaranteed die if it gets my team a win. Or who will zone 4 people off baron so my team can take it and escape alive. So I'm not an asshole for no reason. I stick up for people who are honestly trying, who look to LEARN from mistakes and IMPROVE (instead of run it down lane and int), and who put the TEAM first. So I don't appreciate selfish people who only think of themselves and THEIR KDA and their farm at cost of team. I try to help them, but if they ignore repeatedly and show no consideration for everyone else in the game, if they insist on repeating bad plays instead of LEARNING, if they flame me without cause (sometimes I deserve and I have no problem hearing it although it hurts) I tire of explaining nicely and/or pretending like what they are doing is fine. At some point, it's no longer a "mistake". It's either intentional feeding, or they are elo boosted well beyond their proper rank and need to be demoted several tiers. Either way, it's not excusable and should be punished. It is no better or more excusable than calling someone an "idiot" or saying "that was a retarded engage" after someone makes a horrible engage for the 7th time (and has had it explained why - nicely - for 5 times).

General Esdeath 1 votes

As stated several times, only 1 person gets that message. And not everyone you report is guilty.

woodvsmurph1 votes

Here's an example from today. I'm playing malphite vs a ghost, flash and phase rush darius. He gets ahead of me early, but I manage to pull it back to a winning lane for me after a few back and forth swings. Even pulling off a temporary 1v2 vs a fed zed and a 3/3/0 darius to buy time for my jg shyv and mid lux to rotate and pick up 2 kills - away from my tower. Bot lane wins lane thanks to good shyv ganks and lux roams. But then nami goes afk. We still manage to win some fights, get some picks, and pressure some towers while defending ours. But rather than group with us and push objectives, our ashe runs to solo lane and refuses to listen to lux, shyv OR me and help team. This goes on for at least 10 min, costing us some fights, getting darius fed, throwing away our leads, and stopping us from killing any inner towers when we'd easily be able to win a fight and have cracked inhib if ashe would be a team player. She'd rather run around alone, not warding, not using hawkshot, costing us objectives, throwing away our lead - all while she loses 1v1 to darius, zed, and maokai jg. I explain very simply what we should be doing, why something did/didn't work (we lost 2 towers and inhib mid off 1 push by enemy after they won a fight cuz ashe randomly leaves to solo farm and refused to work with us). After being afk half the game, nami reconnects as I just type out explaining that ashe refusing to group (despite lux, shyv, and me all asking NICELY for the 6th time) cost us those 2 towers and inhib. Nami tells me to "shut the fuck up". No apologies for being afk half the game. No figuring out what was going on, just "shut the fuck up" malphite. How dare I explain to someone that they are costing the team the game or tell them I will report them if they continue to afk split, get 0 objectives, and cost team the game. Lol. But will that ashe or nami get punished? Ashe for throwing the game for over 10 min straight, ignoring THREE teammates' POLITE requests to group, and flaming me for us dying 2v5 because we took a bad engage TOGETHER (enemy team rotated before my jg and mid could - it started out 2v2 that we SHOULD have been able to win easy)? No, she won't get punished at all. Will nami get punished for being afk half the game, then telling her teammate to "shut the fuck up" when he's calmly and factually explaining to a teammate why they need to stop solo pushing - with 2 teammates backing him up? No, nami won't get punished.

But if I called either of them an idiot or said that was a retarded play (solo pushing blind vs 5 enemies wandering the area), I'd get punished if reported. This is what I mean by the system being unjust. The latter would be no more toxic or unforgivable than the former, yet only one gets punished by the system. And that one only happens because the former one happens to begin with and goes unpunished. Hope that paints a clearer picture for you of what I mean and maybe makes sense why things need to be changed.

General Esdeath 2 votes

Ashe playing how she wants isn't punishable. Why didn't you 3 group with her? Why are you trying to 4v5 teamfight? Just wait, or ask if anyone is premade with Nami and knows if she's coming back. Nami will be punished for that shut the fuck up line, but LB takes more than once, it's lenient for real life issues.

You wouldn't be punished unless you wrote it like that. If you said "I don't think we can push as 3 while Ashe is alone bot". Secondly, what would calling her a retard do for you? Would it help you win?

woodvsmurph1 votes

Ashe ignoring THREE teammates to feed, intentionally ignore obvious good plays, and throw a winnable game IS punishable - it's called inting/griefing. We didn't FORCE 3v5 and 3v4 teamfights - we got bogged down in stuff like 3v3's as the rest of their team rotated while ashe went to do something utterly useless.

Wait for nami? I asked - no one says anything - so as far as we knew it would be 4v5 rest of game... meaning - you work WITH your TEAM; not just think of you (ashe) and try to win as fast as possible (but with GOOD plays). When you see an opening to rotate mid and force a tower... why would we go bot to spend the next 4 min pushing in a lane so the enemy can... 1. grab baron before we could rotate to stop them 2. still get 5 bot before we damage a single tower 3. get less from bot (even if we play it perfectly) than we'd get from going mid right now? But for like 15 min, we have this same stuff going on.

Ashe walk top and we can get half hp inhib tower? No, let's walk across half the map to get bot farm, push halfway to inner tower, and then leave. Cuz obviously extending a game when you're 4v5 and ignoring all your other connected teammates is a GOOD thing? I don't think so. That is griefing and intentionally throwing the game. Do it once - we all make mistakes. Repeatedly do it for 15 min; you are trying to be a jackass. There is nothing redeeming in what she did. Moreover, it could just as easily have been them sending 2 bot and deleting her while we pushed and got an inhib or tower elsewhere - which would give her a horrible kda and literally be inting on top of griefing. It's literally one of the worst decisions you can make as a player - solo pushing with zero wards as a squishy - never mind the fact that you could be getting more done elsewhere in a much safer manner. The solo pushing blind part alone is stupid. The fact that you're passing up on an OBVIOUS (it's been told to you repeatedly by team, all your teammates see it) better play elsewhere only makes it work. The fact that it's done repeatedly for 15 min and in direct defiance of the polite requests of your entire team make it utterly unforgivable.

That's like saying c9 gets in a base race to end game vs rng at worlds (hypothetical situation to illustrate the absurdity of what ashe was doing) and Sneaky decides he needs to go farm raptor camp instead of help kill nexus turret as Impact tanks for the team. But according to you, it's not a problem what Sneaky did in the scenario - in fact, team should have leashed raptors so he could farm them faster. How would that make any sense? Do you see now how utterly stupid and unforgivable such play is? Literally nothing redeeming in such a decision.

General Esdeath 1 votes

If nobody answered and Ashe never talked, maybe they were premade and she knew Nami was coming back. Griefing is more of "I don't like you banning my champ so now I'm gonna steal exp by sitting in your lane"

Again, bad decisions aren't a bannable thing. I could easily ask why you didn't follow her? But if you think it's a bad idea, why would you?

woodvsmurph1 votes

Nobody knew. And that has nothing to do with her solo pushing.

Bad decisions aren't a bannable thing? Sure - remember that the next time your toplaner runs it down top and gives darius 15 kill in lane and you get steamrolled. Your toplaner did nothing wrong there lol. Uh, wait... yes he did. Griefing is griefing, inting is inting. Do something dumb once, it's forgivable - we all screw up. Do the SAME dumb thing 10x? It's not a "MISTAKE"; it is intentional, it's obvious to everyone that it's a BAD play, and there's no excuse for doing it when alternate options exist and deserve to be tried as potentially better options. And I did try following her once - which resulted in us both dying and her blaming me. So yeah - I tried her hypothesis, she tried it 10x, and all it got us was throwing the game over and over. She never once tried what the entire team wanted when we were stuck 4v5 - if she did, we'd have won before nami even reconnected. So stop your bullshit "try following her" and "bad decisions aren't bannable".

Doing the SAME stupid stuff time after time is intentional - obviously it's intentional because you are repeating it when alternative options have been suggested/requested and you've refused them. And if the play(s) you are doing are clearly costing your team more than what they are gaining for your team, then those plays are THROWING AWAY the game. Thus put the two together and you are INTENTIONALLY THROWING the game. Both parts have been clearly established. To argue otherwise is to have your head in the sand while arguing vehemently that you KNOW the sky is purple and the sun is green. You literally have no ground to stand on in such an argument. None.

General Esdeath 1 votes

"runs it down mid" is different than trying to split push.

woodvsmurph1 votes

NO, it really isn't. "Running it down mid" doesn't mean it has to be mid lane. It means you are blindly pushing (insert lane here - top, mid bot - doesn't matter which one). It means you aren't pushing to GET anything, just for the sake of running towards enemy base. You don't give a crap if you run into a 1v5 and know it or not and die for it. You don't give a crap if grouping could win your team the game, you just solo push and to hell with what you KNOW you SHOULD be doing. To hell with what team WANTS you to do.

That's what running it down mid means. No mid lane required.

Also, to get a nice specific picture of what triggers me, check this out: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/1lRklK0b-just-ban-me-already

Then tell me you wouldn't get triggered by a team like that. If you got that crap in over half your games each week.

TheEvilQueen1351 votes

this is more like an essay then a letter

dKiWi1 votes

Has it occurred to you your opponent's team is likely to have idiots as well?

woodvsmurph1 votes

When I've got 2+ teammates going 1/7/0 and playing agro with no vision vs the people they fed in over 70% of matches in recent history (at time of original post), a jg who is either one of them, or who will afk farm and refuse to counter-gank while I'm 2v1'd and (were the junglers flipped) I could be getting fed given a decent jungler, my team ignores 4+ pings telling them NOT to do something (do it anyway and get aced for maybe 1 kill), and I get blamed for most of our team's problems, I think it's safe to say that the opponent team tends not to have idiots. Worse players in some roles? Sure, but they recognize it and play SMART and SAFE. They don't run it down lane, go 1/7/0, and force bad engages. They hug tower, ask for ganks, play SMART, and let team carry them instead of feeding to the point where it's impossible to carry. This is the difference, and it's why people who feed like that without cause (there can be legit excuses; running it down lane, not warding, and FORCING a fed enemy to 2v2 or 3v2 you isn't a legit excuse) should be punished for ruining other people's games. And if it's not intentional, then they've clearly been promoted way too high for their skill and deserve immediate demotion to much lower rank. Like not from b1 to b2, but b1 to b4 or something like that as a hypothetical example.

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