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Ten reasons why it's better not to flame back

Tuition Fee··42 votes·13,460 views
  1. Flamers usually get even madder when you don't react to their provocations.
  2. They get punished. You don't.
  3. Don't let one asshole ruin your day. Mute and enjoy the game.
  4. "Riot doesn't punish these people!" Trust me, they do. I have a few friends who've been permanently banned, and even more who've gotten their 14 day suspension. Bots are usually pretty accurate with these things.
  5. It's not defending yourself, and the bot sure won't view it that way.
  6. It's not worth your time. In the time you were typing, you could've gotten ten more cs, or maybe a kill.
  7. It accomplishes nothing, really. Flamers usually don't take your points into consideration, and you won't vent off any steam by flaming them back; they'll respond with something that pisses you off even more.
  8. They might be not so subtly flame baiting, trying to get you to use one of the zero tolerance words.
  9. Don't stoop to their level! Keep your hands clean.
  10. Your teammates are more likely to sympathize with you if you don't add to the toxicity. A few kind words always help untilt!

48 Comments

General Esdeath 15 votes

It's not worth your time. In the time you were typing, you could've gotten ten more cs, or maybe a kill.

Only takes 1 second to type "no u"

:^)

Tuition Fee6 votes

{quoted}

Only takes 1 second to type "no u"

:^)

I mean You're not wrong

Iron Phantom3 votes

{quoted}

Only takes 1 second to type "no u"

:^)

I said that once, and funny enough the guy flaming, started to full on rage at myself, my team, and for some reason the enemy team, it was a funny experience.

I do believe he got banned, because myself and one of my teammates I added after the game got a message saying so and so was punished.

General Matty2 votes

{quoted}

Only takes 1 second to type "no u"

:^)

What if they say ''reverse''? :^)

Bob the Toastr1 votes

Then you must respond with "cha cha now y'all, cha cha again"

TrulyBland1 votes

If in doubt, say "How appropriate, you fight like a cow!"

General Esdeath 1 votes

[{quoted}](name=General Matty,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lUbMFwMZ,comment-id=00040002,timestamp=2019-03-01T12:52:12.728+0000)

What if they say ''reverse''? :^)

I'm afk

PurpleYukari12 votes

#11. You are making the flamer's flame feel more justified in their eyes. Don't give them an excuse that you were fully in control over.

Silly Neeko6 votes

Very much agreed. If people need proof that flaming back gets you punished..... check out most all of the player behavior posts of "i didnt deserve this punishment!". Obviously..... you did. It doesnt matter who started it, Riot is ending it.

Starmfangy2 votes

It would work if they didn't soft int. I end up posting about the games state and how easy it is to snowball and how its pointless to try and win with a teamate that fed two kills. I never cared about that before, but riot has fcked up this game so much that 2 kills worth of gold is enough to steamrole you once and then snowball the rest of the game.

Tuition Fee2 votes

{quoted}

It would work if they didn't soft int. I end up posting about the games state and how easy it is to snowball and how its pointless to try and win with a teamate that fed two kills. I never cared about that before, but riot has fcked up this game so much that 2 kills worth of gold is enough to steamrole you once and then snowball the rest of the game.

If they soft int and everyone acts like they don't give a shit, then they have way less power. Trolls only int to ruin your game, or to get their way by taking what they think is most precious; your LP. When I four man and we get a troll, we just pretend to go along with it and the guy usually reforms really quickly, and some even apologize for tilting. If not, we just do our best to carry and have fun.

It's like having your kid getting taken hostage in front of you, and then you're like "Meh not my kid, not my problem." Kidnapper loses most of his influence and power.

Starmfangy1 votes

You dont understand how rare that would be. You see, i dont have any friends XD so im fucked when it comes to playing pvp. I can accept that, but i want this damage controled because i at least want to farm under my tower, not get poked and then completely towerdived every time i return to lane, ANY LANE FOR THAT MATTER.

I dont want to be restricted to those few champions that do well under tower. I want to have fun and i cant. Y'all are gonna say that i should move to a different game, well i dont know why but its so addicting and i cant stop playing. I literally log in to play only to have a match where i either snowball with whatever champion i have or completely loose to someone who did the same. Its horrible

Tuition Fee1 votes

{quoted}

You dont understand how rare that would be. You see, i dont have any friends XD so im fucked when it comes to playing pvp. I can accept that, but i want this damage controled because i at least want to farm under my tower, not get poked and then completely towerdived every time i return to lane, ANY LANE FOR THAT MATTER.

I dont want to be restricted to those few champions that do well under tower. I want to have fun and i cant. Y'all are gonna say that i should move to a different game, well i dont know why but its so addicting and i cant stop playing. I literally log in to play only to have a match where i either snowball with whatever champion i have or completely loose to someone who did the same. Its horrible

I'll be your friend :D

Tele II1 votes

{quoted}

It would work if they didn't soft int. I end up posting about the games state and how easy it is to snowball and how its pointless to try and win with a teamate that fed two kills. I never cared about that before, but riot has fcked up this game so much that 2 kills worth of gold is enough to steamrole you once and then snowball the rest of the game.

Riiight.... thats why I see streamers all the time going "now i dont wanna take that fight because if I die, ill give up bounty gold and ruin my entire lead". Ive won a few games from behind already this season, and I dont even play much ranked. There are plenty of ways to come back from behind, some being strategic choices, and some being literally built-in anti-snowballing mechanics. Plus some people get ahead because they are just better. It shouldnt be easy to come back against a better opponent who has gold advantage over you.

Eternal Torment2 votes

I have but 1 simple rule that basically summs it all up.

Be better, not just in skill, but in decency as well. They aren't worth my time and I sure as heck won't lose my acc over a 12yo ninja-subscribing Minecraft communist trying to stain my diamond with his filthy iron.

Jk. But real shit. Be a better person. Its the 2nd best bragging right next to "I banged a celebrity"

Lord Scorch 622 votes

Naw, i always just drop the N-word at them.

"Nice"

R107 Games1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tuition Fee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lUbMFwMZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-03-01T01:47:25.413+0000)

  1. Flamers usually get even madder when you don't react to their provocations.

This counters the point of the post. So you're saying they should react to the flamer to stop him from getting mad?

  1. They get punished. You don't.

We both have different chances of getting punished, based on the severity of the flame and the consistency of flame from past games.

  1. Don't let one asshole ruin your day. Mute and enjoy the game.

I'm thick skinned, and flame helps me enjoy the game because it is entertaining.

  1. "Riot doesn't punish these people!" Trust me, they do. I have a few friends who've been permanently banned, and even more who've gotten their 14 day suspension. Bots are usually pretty accurate with these things.

Anecdotal evidence, nice! Well I flame almost regularly and i haven't been permabanned in over 4 years, hell i had honor 4 last season. And i see tons of people in Reddit claim the system is easy to bypass.

  1. It's not defending yourself, and the bot sure won't view it that way.

True.

  1. It's not worth your time. In the time you were typing, you could've gotten ten more cs, or maybe a kill.

Not really true unless it's excessive typing.

  1. They might be not so subtly flame baiting, trying to get you to use one of the zero tolerance words.

So i don't use any zero tolerance words?

  1. Don't stoop to their level! Keep your hands clean.

Flaming isn't really bad to an extent.

  1. Your teammates are more likely to sympathize with you if you don't add to the toxicity. A few kind words always help untilt!

Why the hell do i care about my teammate's sympathy?

Tuition Fee9 votes

[{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lUbMFwMZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-01T02:51:14.415+0000)

This counters the point of the post. So you're saying they should react to the flamer to stop him from getting mad?

We both have different chances of getting punished, based on the severity of the flame and the consistency of flame from past games.

I'm thick skinned, and flame helps me enjoy the game because it is entertaining.

Anecdotal evidence, nice! Well I flame almost regularly and i haven't been permabanned in over 4 years, hell i had honor 4 last season. And i see tons of people in Reddit claim the system is easy to bypass.

True.

Not really true unless it's excessive typing.

So i don't use any zero tolerance words?

Flaming isn't really bad to an extent.

Why the hell do i care about my teammate's sympathy?

Sweetie Who hurt you

Eternal Torment2 votes

summoner 11 boi that smite

Voldymort5 votes

This counters the point of the post. So you're saying they should react to the flamer to stop him from getting mad?

why does it matter to you if they stop or not? you have a mute button. use it!

We both have different chances of getting punished, based on the severity of the flame and the consistency of flame from past games.

and "chances"means neither "more"or "less" likely

I'm thick skinned, and flame helps me enjoy the game because it is entertaining.

that's not what "thick skinned" means

Anecdotal evidence, nice! Well I flame almost regularly and i haven't been permabanned in over 4 years, hell i had honor 4 last season. And i see tons of people in Reddit claim the system is easy to bypass.

so you claim anecdotal evidence is meaningless and then procede to counter with your own... anecdotal evidence

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

Not really true unless it's excessive typing.

hea meant "over the whole game"

Flaming isn't really bad to an extent.

we'll agree to disagree on that one

Why the hell do i care about my teammate's sympathy?

for the same reason you care about their apathy when you flame for "entertainment"reasons: ego

[{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lUbMFwMZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-01T02:51:14.415+0000)

I'm thick skinned, and flame helps me enjoy the game because it is entertaining.

R107 Games1 votes

{quoted}

that's not what "thick skinned" means

Op said an asshole can ruin my day, I said I'm thick skinned...

so you claim anecdotal evidence is meaningless and then procede to counter with your own... anecdotal evidence

Where in my post did I claim anecdotal evidence is meaningless??

hea meant "over the whole game"

He did not specify that.

for the same reason you care about their apathy when you flame for "entertainment"reasons: ego

I said flame is entertaining, doesn't mean I'm the one that flames

AgeOfShadow921 votes

You said you flame regularly.

are you okay?

R107 Games1 votes

{quoted}

You said you flame regularly.

are you okay?

Yeah

Light Burner1 votes

[{quoted}](name=R107 Games,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lUbMFwMZ,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2019-03-01T02:51:14.415+0000)

This counters the point of the post. So you're saying they should react to the flamer to stop him from getting mad?

We both have different chances of getting punished, based on the severity of the flame and the consistency of flame from past games.

I'm thick skinned, and flame helps me enjoy the game because it is entertaining.

Anecdotal evidence, nice! Well I flame almost regularly and i haven't been permabanned in over 4 years, hell i had honor 4 last season. And i see tons of people in Reddit claim the system is easy to bypass.

True.

Not really true unless it's excessive typing.

So i don't use any zero tolerance words?

Flaming isn't really bad to an extent.

Why the hell do i care about my teammate's sympathy?

Im with you all he way man. "Teammates' sympathy.. Like wtf is that? If my teammates had any sympathy they wouldve said something to the guy the instant he said something. Most of the times you stay quiet people take it as its okay to flame this guy. So they'll do something near your lane die then flame you for not moving and start shit talking and soon you're being flamed by 4 people instead of 1. Hell i can bait people into using zero tolerance words by jungling and just farming my jungle until laning phase ends its that easy. Instead of trying to tell the responder to the flamer hes wrong for responding tell the flamer to break his keyboard.

Guivanni1 votes

The way league of legends handles their chat restrictions or bans is complete bullshit... Its pathetic.

Starcraft243ver1 votes

The 4th one will make you cry.

MrNuclearPumpkin1 votes

Or we can just find where the flamers live and kill them with flames. :D

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

xDralynex1 votes

Man, if only people would learn what true flaming is or being toxic for that matter. Cracks me up when you make a legit suggestion to help a struggling player and they telling you "reported, stop being toxic!" ... Like, all I said was get yourself a Zhonya's cause it'll help you? ...

Flawless Fetus1 votes

Everyone knows people get banned for toxicity. No one gets banned for inting. Lol.

Tuition Fee1 votes

[{quoted}](name=BIended Fetus,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lUbMFwMZ,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2019-03-01T13:12:32.289+0000)

Everyone knows people get banned for toxicity. No one gets banned for inting. Lol.

My friend got a 20 minute LPQ for doing poorly as Cait in one game :v (Wasn't inting, but iirc he was like 0/12 with wrong items)

EchoZeero1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tuition Fee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lUbMFwMZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-03-01T01:47:25.413+0000)

  1. Don't let one asshole ruin your day. Mute and enjoy the game.

That's flaming tho [zombie-brand-clap]

xZabaksx1 votes

Or softly taunt to bait out even more words from him

TrollsShouldDie1 votes

10 reasons to flame people

  1. Flamers need to be put in their place to learn their lesson.

  2. They usually don't get punished, and hoping that they will is just pathetic.

  3. If an asshole ruins my day, I take great pleasure in ruining his right back.

  4. Trust me, they don't. If they did, I wouldn't get them in nearly all of my games.

  5. If Riot won't defend me by punishing people who refuse to help their allies, or feed their hyper carry and then laugh at you when you ask them nicely to stop, then I guess I have to take matters into my own hands.

  6. It's definitely worth my time to tell an asshole what an asshole he's being.

  7. It accomplishes making the game-destroyers feel small, which they are. They are small pieces of trash that should be stepped on.

  8. Of course, they are, that's why they need to be taught a lesson.

  9. Fix the matchmaking system and I will, I promise.

  10. How many times I've KINDLY asked people to please play defensive or please don't feed. I can assure you from experience, it does not work. They just feed more. Asking the support to actually support is even worse. They prefer to stand there and leech exp while you die.

Voldymort2 votes

Flamers need to be put in their place to learn their lesson.

and you think flaming them back will do that?

[sg-miss-fortune] [sg-miss-fortune] [sg-miss-fortune] no

They usually don't get punished, and hoping that they will is just pathetic.

and you know they don't because these boards are completely barren of such people, right?

[slayer-jinx-wink]

If an asshole ruins my day, I take great pleasure in ruining his right back.

but what about the other 3 people on your team? what did they do to deserve this?

Trust me, they don't. If they did, I wouldn't get them in nearly all of my games.

the posts on these boards counter your argument

If Riot won't defend me by punishing people who refuse to help their allies, or feed their hyper carry and then laugh at you when you ask them nicely to stop, then I guess I have to take matters into my own hands.

riot does defend you. they gave you a mute button. why aren't you using it?

It's definitely worth my time to tell an asshole what an asshole he's being.

isn't that a bit redundant?

It accomplishes making the game-destroyers feel small, which they are. They are small pieces of trash that should be stepped on.

how do you know they feel small?

https://thelegacybuilder.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/the-problem-with-arguing-with-idiots.jpg

Of course, they are, that's why they need to be taught a lesson.

and of course, they'll acknowledge your intelectual superiority the moment you start typing

/s

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

How many times I've KINDLY asked people to please play defensive or please don't feed. I can assure you from experience, it does not work. They just feed more. Asking the support to actually support is even worse. They prefer to stand there and leech exp while you die.

this may come as a shock but the universe doesn't revolve around you. people are just as entitled to not listen to you as you are to not listen to them

Light Burner1 votes

{quoted}

and you think flaming them back will do that?

[sg-miss-fortune] [sg-miss-fortune] [sg-miss-fortune] no

and you know they don't because these boards are completely barren of such people, right?

[slayer-jinx-wink]

but what about the other 3 people on your team? what did they do to deserve this?

the posts on these boards counter your argument

riot does defend you. they gave you a mute button. why aren't you using it?

isn't that a bit redundant?

how do you know they feel small?

https://thelegacybuilder.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/the-problem-with-arguing-with-idiots.jpg

and of course, they'll acknowledge your intelectual superiority the moment you start typing

/s

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

this may come as a shock but the universe doesn't revolve around you. people are just as entitled to not listen to you as you are to not listen to them

First of all stop using board posts as evidence. There's millions of players that play this game, about 20 percent are toxic and flamers meaning 2 people per lobby. lets say there was only 1 million players that would mean 200k toxic players how many board posts are there of flaming 20 thousand lets say and thats high balling? you got 1/10 out of the toxic players meanwhile theres another 90 percent of them out there ruining people's days. If this problem is to be fixed players need to fix it and riot needs to stay the f out of it. People would be less inclined to flamed if they were going to be flamed back at by 4 people but the system protects the flamer by scaring people like you into not responding. So he can gladly ruin that poor player's game, flame him, and even some times get the team to flame him as well.

"people are just as entitled to not listen to you as you are to not listen to them" and this is the problem, no one wants to listen to reason or logic they just want to do what they want even if that ruins the game for everyone else. The guy feeding top lane and continuing to build full ad items or the bot lane that pushes up and doesnt ward or listen to pings no matter how many times you ping. Why are these things okay to do but ruin the game for everyone but when someone calls them stupid or worse "we gotta chat ban this guy". Words dont ruin a game you have a mute button after all trolls and dumb players do and you cant mute their deaths, you cant leave the game, and you can't speak to them. So why am i wasting time playing?

Voldymort1 votes

I got stuck on that "20% of players are toxic" claim. Is there some place that gave you that percentage or did you pull it out of the air?

and this is the problem, no one wants to listen to reason or logic

The problem is they probably think think the same about you and their reason and logic.

Tele II1 votes

{quoted}

10 reasons to flame people

  1. Flamers need to be put in their place to learn their lesson.

  2. They usually don't get punished, and hoping that they will is just pathetic.

  3. If an asshole ruins my day, I take great pleasure in ruining his right back.

  4. Trust me, they don't. If they did, I wouldn't get them in nearly all of my games.

  5. If Riot won't defend me by punishing people who refuse to help their allies, or feed their hyper carry and then laugh at you when you ask them nicely to stop, then I guess I have to take matters into my own hands.

  6. It's definitely worth my time to tell an asshole what an asshole he's being.

  7. It accomplishes making the game-destroyers feel small, which they are. They are small pieces of trash that should be stepped on.

  8. Of course, they are, that's why they need to be taught a lesson.

  9. Fix the matchmaking system and I will, I promise.

  10. How many times I've KINDLY asked people to please play defensive or please don't feed. I can assure you from experience, it does not work. They just feed more. Asking the support to actually support is even worse. They prefer to stand there and leech exp while you die.

Personally I think that people who think their opinions are so valuable that theyre teaching lessons by sharing their opinions of people, are pathetic. What an arrogant belief. you seriously think you've taught anyone a lesson by flaming them? Get real.

ZaFishbone1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tuition Fee,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=lUbMFwMZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-03-01T01:47:25.413+0000)

  1. They get punished. You don't.
  2. "Riot doesn't punish these people!" Trust me, they do. I have a few friends who've been permanently banned, and even more who've gotten their 14 day suspension. Bots are usually pretty accurate with these things.

Downvoted just 4 this. I'm sick of every lucky person coming to the boards and assuming that his experience is the same as everyone else's. No, most people don't get punished. At least not until they've ruined HUNDREDS of games. Tell me, honestly, just how much did your friends have to ruin other people's games to eventually get banned? If bans were such a common thing, people would be much more afraid to troll and be toxic, since they would have to constantly buy/level up new accounts. Think of all the threads we've just seen on this board that all kinda said: "Man ppl have been so much more toxic lately". The commonality of such behavior should be enough to clue you in on how often these people get punished.

RJay1231 votes

Alright, I have a compromise. Why not troll them? Not in game, I mean personally. You know how easy it is the mess with someone who's so mad they feel the absolute need to let you know that your presence makes them angry? WHAT POWER dude, it's like having a younger sibling get red-faced cause you whooped him or her in super smash bros.

1/7 top: Learn to jungle, you're absolute trash Me: Gotta see the jungle, feel the jungle, be the jungle top: spam ping Me: Is that how your mom calls you down for dinner? Can I join?

Edit: I usually do better at being sarcastic in the moment :)

lYyEqBradley1 votes

im a flamer the higher i go on my acc. never flamed gold or lower ranked players because i dont need to type in that elo(also makes no sense because they dont know better). my flaming starts when i have boosted d4 players or 35% plat 1-2 players that were diamond last season but have zero wins in the last 10 games :). if u try to tell them what they should do or what not u r the a**hole and get fullmuted+ reported after the game.

  1. i can see that. i get mad when i lose games that are actually won but the team doesnt listen to my calls. 2-5.obvious if u fullmute and they insult u, but not listening to a better player is ruining the game and u might lose just because of that 6-10. so tell me if a better player tells u what to do and what not do. do u see that as an insult and flame ? i have seen 2 players over all my games reacting to me and admitted that they were doing a mistake or more. they even added me and we talked about what they did wrong and how they could improve their gameplay. but as u can see this is so rare. most of the time its fullmute and they report me after the game
Hammermancer1 votes

I just say "Sorry I suck dude, but imma mute you"

i never actually mute them, but they stop bitching or I have a better case to report them if they keep flaming me

though sometimes I may do something subtly toxic like flash to KS or steal a blue >.>

Inkling Commando1 votes

i simply move the chat box off screen so i dont have to see players flame at me. and at same time i wont be tempted to flame back. i have pings visible but silenced so i can see them on map but wont hear the ping. and when a player spam pings me i simply ignore it.

Paravozikchoocho1 votes

do you need to move chat every game or it needs to be done only once ? I think I tried this one time, but for some reason I didn't like it.

Inkling Commando2 votes

done only once

Fat Ass From NA1 votes

hey come here, let me punch you in the face, and dont try to defend yourself :D

ı Sona ı1 votes

Good post.

[sona-playing]

BoRnToKiLL6661 votes

you can respond to them, i usually give them a "?" or an "ok", you can report them after and they get punished pretty quick based on what they said

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

AgeOfShadow921 votes

I would like to add something on the more positive end.

People who flame generally really care about the game, so do people that say "gg fuck" etc. They are just frustrated.

Iif you keep it cool, do your best to play, and play for the W they will probably calm down (as long as you and your temamates don't respond to them)

Trolls and flamers aren't the ssame thing btw.

So, anyway, if you ignore them and pick up the W, you can always still report them in the end. >:)

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