So Riot does not allow words that have "swear" words...

NuggeTech··2 votes·1,386 views

or clubs, summoner names or anything. Even if I want to name my rune page as "Assassin". In fact they punish toxic players hardest. But I don't know what is there stance on inting or trolling. I had to play with a player today. First he was in my queue. He got the jg role. Banned our top laner's tryndamere and went Soraka jgl tilting my top laner. Fortunately, a kind soul dodged that game.Next queue, he wasn't in my team but was in my match. Went Soraka support but instead of going bot he went top and fed my top laner. In fact, this is not the first time has done this. Look at the proof that I have http://imgur.com/a/5GpGH http://imgur.com/a/JN6ey http://imgur.com/a/BVwcQ http://imgur.com/a/kLkVP (my prev queue) Just look at his builds.Even if he was a brand new player (which he isn't), the item shop suggests the best items for that champion. He went AD SORAKA and AP MF. It's just obvious he does not care and is not at all afraid The Riot team needs to change their priority. They are way harder on cursing and swearing than they are on inting or trolling.

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ModThe Djinn3 votes

Weirdly, I'm not convinced this is necessarily an issue -- I'd have to see the replays, but his match history shows some solid scores and some victories, so the guy might just legitimately like playing way off meta, which isn't something that's punishable.

Intentional feeding, yes. But there's nothing saying you aren't allowed to play AD Soraka, Crittlesticks, AP Miss Fortune, or anything so long as you're trying to win. And scores like 6/6/6, 7/10/11, and 10/1/4 seem like he IS trying, even if he's playing something generally bad.

Should he let his team know what he's doing? Yes. But I can't really call it inherently wrong or punishable myself.

Of course, that's just me. Riot may disagree. I don't know. :)

Chermorg4 votes

I can personally vouch for ADC Soraka being very very OP.

Nobody expects the banana

NuggeTech1 votes

In ranked too? That too in straight 20 games.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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In ranked too? That too in straight 20 games.

It's fine in anything as long as you're trying. There's no rule that the strict meta must be obeyed, nor that champions have to build a certain way. Sure, SOME clearly don't work at all: Archangel's Garen, for example, is clearly trolling. But the builds he's using are at least somewhat functional, and he does sometimes perform decently with them, so I don't believe it's punishable -- although it IS frustrating, certainly.

The only difference between Ranked and Normal Draft is, basically, that there's a system that OFFICIALLY tells you where you are. There's no rule that one HAS to be taken more seriously than the other.

NuggeTech1 votes

Trinity force on Soraka, Dusklblade on Soraka, Shiv on Soraka, archangel staff on MF. I don't know how that is defendable

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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Trinity force on Soraka, Dusklblade on Soraka, Shiv on Soraka, archangel staff on MF. I don't know how that is defendable

Because on a base level it functions.

I'm not suggesting it's GOOD, but Soraka with Trinity Force and Essence Reaver has a Q on a 3 second cooldown, which lets her proc Trinity Force reliably. Duskblade is just good on any auto-attacking character these days, and Shiv supports building AD. It's weird, but the build functions.

Miss Fortune has functional AP ratios -- AP Miss Fortune has been an off build for a long time. Her Q has a 35% ratio on a 3 second cooldown at max rank, her W has a 80% ratio over the duration, and her ult has a 320% ratio over the duration.

NuggeTech1 votes

Hmm, I see. I guess I should do the same then. Because I will be trying out new things and not risk being punished

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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Hmm, I see. I guess I should do the same then. Because I will be trying out new things and not risk being punished

I mean, feel free? As long as you're legitimately trying to win I don't believe it will be an issue.

Do note, however, that this is just my personal thoughts on the matter. I can't promise that this isn't actually punishable -- only that I'm not personally sure it should be.

NuggeTech1 votes

I am shocked that a moderator is supporting this. I really am. One or two games is fine, but 20 games in a row is not. I am really disappointed

ModThe Djinn2 votes

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I am shocked that a moderator is supporting this. I really am. One or two games is fine, but 20 games in a row is not. I am really disappointed

Well, a few things.

Firstly, while I am a volunteer moderator, we still get to have our own thoughts and opinions. Expressing those is (and should be, in my mind) okay.

Secondly, I'm not really SUPPORTING it -- just saying that I personally don't think it's punishable. There's a difference there, and an important one, I think. I don't want to start a slippery slope into the idea that there's only one way to play every character, and only one meta that's acceptable. Given that player's specific history, it doesn't LOOK like he's merely trolling -- if he were, I'd have a different answer. But it looks like he's trying, and sometimes succeeding.

I ultimately think it's borderline, but still on the acceptable side. The way to make it TRULY acceptable is to okay it with your team (or at least alert them), and then it's 100% fine.

NinjaGuy691 votes

I can't promise that this isn't actually punishable -- only that I'm not personally sure it should be.

It shouldn't be punishable if people make obviously troll picks like top Soraka? Or jungle Brand or mid Taric? The list goes on and on. These people aren't trying to win - they're just trolls trying to have a laugh and they don't give a shit how it affects their teammates. When do you ever see high elo players do this kind of stuff in ranked? The answer is never. It's because those people are actually serious about trying their best and winning.

Sure, it's fine to go a little off meta if you're particularly skilled at a certain champion. Malphite may not be the strongest top laner but if you want to play him in ranked and do your best then that's fine. But it's sad that people think this kind of shit is okay with things that are obviously troll - like top Soraka.

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ModThe Djinn2 votes

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It shouldn't be punishable if people make obviously troll picks like top Soraka? Or jungle Brand or mid Taric? The list goes on and on. These people aren't trying to win - they're just trolls trying to have a laugh and they don't give a shit how it affects their teammates. When do you ever see high elo players do this kind of stuff in ranked? The answer is never. It's because those people are actually serious about trying their best and winning.

As someone who has seen Top Soraka, Jungle Braum, Jungle Leona, Bot Talon, Mid Garen, Mid Wukong, Mid Mundo, Support Anivia, and a ton of other weird off-picks work? If you can legitimately play it, I don't really see the issue, save that it's unusual.

shrug

I'm aware I don't see winning as AS important to my League experience as some people, and hence we may have differing opinions. I'm just sharing mine. Feel free to disagree. <3

NinjaGuy692 votes

As someone who has seen Top Soraka, Jungle Braum, Jungle Leona, Bot Talon, Mid Garen, Mid Wukong, Mid Mundo, Support Anivia, and a ton of other weird off-picks work? If you can legitimately play it, I don't really see the issue, save that it's unusual.

The issue here is that you're using cherry-picking (which is a logical fallacy) in an attempt to justify people making troll picks in general. Just because you have seen a couple of trolls rack up a win with a unconventional picks, that doesn't mean that those unconventional picks are good in general.

I'm aware I don't see winning as AS important to my League experience as some people, and hence we may have differing opinions. I'm just sharing mine. Feel free to disagree. <3

Just because you don't place a particularly high value on winning, that doesn't mean that the rest of the players on your team feel the same way. It's indifferent attitudes like yours (that can also be found within Riot Games) which allow trolls to continue to breed toxicity throughout the game. And people people wonder why this community has such a bad reputation. Sad.

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ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}Just because you don't place a particularly high value on winning, that doesn't mean that the rest of the players on your team feel the same way.

Hence why I said my comments were my personal opinion. :)

I don't think it's a GOOD behavior. Merely that it's not a punishable one. And others may disagree. Luckily, the report system learns from player reports and input, so if enough people disagree with me it eventually WILL become punishable behavior.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

taric top is a thing now

how do you think these off meta builds and roles come from is cuz people trying shit out...

annie support well that wasnt meta morgana support wasnt meta before its now is brand support zyra support

gragas use to be mid now he is jungle/top

malazar support was all the craze this season now he is a viable top laner and mid again he use to be jungle

tahm top, jungle when he is made as a tank support

naut support when he was a jungler

maokai top/support when he was a jungler

the list goes on and on

viegar support alistar jungle/top use to be a thing

ap yi mid

j4 mid riven mid

cass top

varus/lucian/corki mid when they are classified as marksmen people used them as counter picks to certain mids/team comps ( it worked lcs so it got copied )

fiddle support/mid when he is clearly a jungler

kog/twitch jungle

trundle support

NinjaGuy691 votes

Most of those are cheesy picks that were popularized by the pro scene. Just because they work in pro play, that doesn't mean they're good in solo queue. You also listed a bunch of picks that were abused due to poor game design (like AP Master Yi) or favorable metas (like Trundle support). Furthermore, you're trying to change the subject away from top AD Soraka to something else to try and justify your point. The meta is always going to change and evolve, but just because a particular pick works in a certain meta or as a certain role at one point in time, that doesn't mean it isn't a troll pick at other stages in the game's life cycle.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

no go look them up... they have stats now

and playing off meta via riots word isnt punishable

and the reason alot of these champs are now accepted and viable in roles in which they werent intended is cuz people tried shit and experimented

scazzman1 votes

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It shouldn't be punishable if people make obviously troll picks like top Soraka? Or jungle Brand or mid Taric? The list goes on and on. These people aren't trying to win - they're just trolls trying to have a laugh and they don't give a shit how it affects their teammates. When do you ever see high elo players do this kind of stuff in ranked? The answer is never. It's because those people are actually serious about trying their best and winning.

Sure, it's fine to go a little off meta if you're particularly skilled at a certain champion. Malphite may not be the strongest top laner but if you want to play him in ranked and do your best then that's fine. But it's sad that people think this kind of shit is okay with things that are obviously troll - like top Soraka.

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top soraka can actually work. ive done it. build item 3027 item 3512 and use your q to poke, and e to deny farm, it works great against people like darius who you can kite and not let get anywhere near you

archerno11 votes

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Trinity force on Soraka, Dusklblade on Soraka, Shiv on Soraka, archangel staff on MF. I don't know how that is defendable

None of that is against rules. YOu are allowed to build whatever u want. To ban whatever you want. To pick whatever you want. Hell, i lost once to top AD Soraka.

http://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/1471908276/200976052?tab=overview

Also same rules apply in ranked and normals. SO no point in saying "it was ranked". Everything u are allowed to do against bots, you are allowed to do in normal, you are allowed to do in ranked too.

Horse Grenades3 votes

The dudes just trying different things. You'll get a lot farther focusing on your own gameplay

NuggeTech1 votes

20 games in row in ranked is not trying out differnt things. He was obviously trolling. Oh and banning one of your teammate's champ? What about that?

Chermorg3 votes

There's tons of valid reasons to ban teammates' hover. Especially trynd.

Also, as Djinn said, doesn't look like trolling but just someone playing off meta.

NuggeTech1 votes

...playing top soraka when you are queued as support is not playing out of meta. If my ADC went an out of meta but played ADC I won't complain.

Horse Grenades2 votes

He is actually trying, or seems to be, like I said, report and move on, focus on your gameplay and having fun

NinjaGuy693 votes

Wow, I literally just read all the comments in this thread and I couldn't believe it. Fuck all the trolls in this thread saying this guy is potentially just playing "off meta". Don't listen to them. This guy was trolling if he's picking ADC Soraka - a champion who is clearly not an ADC and using ignite instead of heal on her. Threads like these are why people say this community is shit. Especially when a moderator is saying ADC Soraka is "way off meta" instead of calling it a troll pick.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

so just a question... if these games were wins would you be crying out over this players choices?

NuggeTech1 votes

Well, I did win against him. And I am still posting about the new player. If they were wins, and if his scores were 2/10 and so on, then either his team carried him or his other skills were top notch, like shot calling or team fighting. However, his matches have been horribly lost with a few exceptions.

BTW When I played Lux support a few games ago, I was called out that I didn't build Sightstone and went straight to Morello.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

hmm so you go off meta as a mage for support and dont get SS but this player needs to be banned

kinda the pot calling the kettle black

NuggeTech1 votes

Wait what are you even saying? He went as a Soraka, build trinity force in one game, and then went on to build Trinity force (again), Duskblade and Shiv in another match.

Sorry to say but you are making zero sense. Also, idk why you are defending him

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

Lux Support has a win rate 46.66% for Platinum+ players whilst the very best Lux's are earning a win rate of 58.50% with the average rank of these top players being in Diamond IV.

LoLalytics ranks Lux at 25 amongst Support champions earning a tier grade of Gold.

This ranking takes into account the win rate of Platinum+ players, the pick/ban influence of Lux, the win rate and average rank of the best Lux players.

fyi LUX is a shit support, 2ndly you didnt build support, you went ap by your own statement

im just saying you are no less innocent then he is

NuggeTech1 votes

The Soraka went full ad. I seriously don't know either you are speaking your mind or following the others here because what re you are saying is contradictory to your other post

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

contradictory how ?

you went an ap mage as a support rushed ap how is that not trolling?

he went a champ who has a rapid fire on Q and autos and heals himself in the process of landing Qs

i for one have seen it work many times

NuggeTech1 votes

Soraka is not an ad champ. She did not build any ap items. For gods sake, she was building trinity force, duskblade and a shiv.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

ANY CHAMP AUTO ATTACKS GETTING AD ENCHANCES THIS .. EVEN CRIT YOU CAN CRIT ON ANY AUTO IF YOU HAVE CRIT CHANCE

archerno12 votes

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Soraka is not an ad champ. She did not build any ap items. For gods sake, she was building trinity force, duskblade and a shiv.

Neither is Kennen yet he is built AD often lately. Ekko is AP yet he was built tank till recently. Fizz too. Akali too. MF is ADC yet she is played as support in high elo (at least before lethality buffs) . There are people playing AD Ahri, Orianna. Tank Karma. Full AD or AP Sion. Off meta is allowed.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

http://imgur.com/4uN217Z

this so called troll has a 49% win rate on raka 35w-36l and a 69% win rate on MF 20w-9l

NinjaGuy691 votes

this so called troll has a 49% win rate on raka 35w-36l

A 49% win rate still means you're losing more than you're winning. It doesn't mean shit. Also, this is a 49% win rate in Bronze elo, which makes that statistic mean even less.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

and the guy crying over this player played full ap lux support rushed ap over sightstone ( his words ) and has a 31% on lux

an the guy (raka) is 1 game from being 50% on soraka

NinjaGuy691 votes

and the guy crying over this player played full ap lux support rushed ap over sightstone ( his words ) and has a 31% on lux

I'm not defending his actions. He should buy a sightstone if he's playing support.

an the guy (raka) is 1 game from being 50% on soraka

Regardless if he's 1 game away from a 50% win rate, it's still Bronze. He'd be easily punished if he tried that troll shit in a higher elo.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i doubt that.. .cuz ive seen top raka , jungle raka from HIGH ELO

and the OP who is complaining is in bronze too...

so

ive seen a diamond player stream raka jungle just fyi and it worked

NinjaGuy691 votes

ive seen a diamond player stream raka jungle just fyi and it worked

I've mentioned this before in this thread, but that's cherry-picking. It's a poor, illogical defense. Just because that pick worked a few times in high elo, that doesn't mean it's good in general. If it was actually good then you would see widespread abuse of the pick throughout several elos and (likely) high win rates with the pick.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

regardless if it is good or not... a player dont need to be punished for playing off meta

and my point is anything can win if you play it properly and "in bronze" meta/off meta dont matter cuz if you arent good enough at the fundamentals of the game , lack mechanical skill, decision making, micro and marco play/ management of game, knowledge and awareness of game you could play the OP champ and still win less then 50% of the time.

and sometimes being offf meta catching a match up by surprise and not knowing how to adjust is enough to win a game

Subdue1 votes

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A 49% win rate still means you're losing more than you're winning. It doesn't mean shit. Also, this is a 49% win rate in Bronze elo, which makes that statistic mean even less.

Were you trolling on all the champs where you have less than 50% win ratio?

https://na.op.gg/summoner/champions/userName=ninjaguy69

NinjaGuy691 votes

Were you trolling on all the champs where you have less than 50% win ratio?

So you're essentially trying to imply that if you have less than a 50% win rate on any particular champion in any elo, that you're trolling with them? You're equating a poor performance to trolling. That's what you're doing. I could ask the same thing to you about any of the champions you have less than a 50% win rate on but I'm not a troll (like you) nor do I lack the necessary brain power to make appropriate connections based on the available data.

What I did was state that a 49% win rate is meaningless in Bronze (because Bronze elo is so much more volatile than higher elos). So why are you asking this stupid, unrelated question? Are you feigning stupidity or are you actually stupid or are you just being a troll? I can't tell at this point.

Subdue1 votes

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So you're essentially trying to imply that if you have less than a 50% win rate on any particular champion in any elo, that you're trolling with them? You're equating a poor performance to trolling. That's what you're doing. I could ask the same thing to you about any of the champions you have less than a 50% win rate on but I'm not a troll (like you) nor do I lack the necessary brain power to make appropriate connections based on the available data.

What I did was state that a 49% win rate is meaningless in Bronze (because Bronze elo is so much more volatile than higher elos). So why are you asking this stupid, unrelated question? Are you feigning stupidity or are you actually stupid or are you just being a troll? I can't tell at this point.

Actually, you're the one who equated less than 50% win ratio to trolling, not me. So you could ask me, and I could say no without being a hypocrite.

As for volatility, Bronze likely has less of it than higher tiers because players in Bronze are more clumped together in skill. There's not much of a difference in the skill of someone in Bronze 5 vs someone in Bronze 1, but there's a world of difference between someone in Diamond 5 and someone in Diamond 1.

More to the point though, what does his division have to do with anything anyway? The MMR system has been proven time and again to be very accurate, with most players ending up near the same place after each reset, with Elo Boosters continuing to be able to carry accounts to High Elo, with people doing "challenges" of dropping themselves all the way down by dodging games only to climb right back up. The point is that the guy is obviously trying to win, even if his picks are unorthodox.

This guy has 200 games played as ADC Ahri in Diamond I, is he trolling? https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=chubbzilla

NinjaGuy691 votes

Actually, you're the one who equated less than 50% win ratio to trolling, not me.

No. No. I never did this. I was replying to another poster about that Soraka's win rate when he was essentially trying to claim that a 49% win rate isn't bad. I told him that a 49% win rate means nothing in bronze, which is true. I was referring to the skill level of the player, not the intent of the player.

As for volatility, Bronze likely has less of it than higher tiers because players in Bronze are more clumped together in skill.

Mechanical skill isn't the only factor when it comes to win rates. There are several things that make bronze volatile, like a lack of proper build paths, a lack of champion abilities, a lack of decision making (which could all be lumped under "game knowledge") as well as a lack of communication and rampant toxicity which makes bronze extremely volatile.

More to the point though, what does his division have to do with anything anyway?

His division is important because players in bronze usually don't communicate very well with each other and this evident when you spectate a low elo game or when you go back and read through some of the chat logs which contain nothing but flaming and passive aggressive missing pings. This lack of communication is a major factor that leads to frustration when people do things like pick top AD Soraka without discussing it with their teammates first.

The point is that the guy is obviously trying to win, even if his picks are unorthodox.

We don't know that. He could just be doing it to troll around and have fun on an alternate account.

This guy has 200 games played as ADC Ahri in Diamond I, is he trolling? https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=chubbzilla

As I've said more than once before in this thread, that's cherry picking. Just because one individual can make it work, that doesn't mean it's an all around good pick or build path in general regardless of the elo bracket. Even if this particular player was earnest, there are several factors that could be leading to his success:

  • People are inexperienced in facing an ADC Ahri.
  • He could be getting carried by his duo queue partner (which seems to be the case in many of his games because his KDA isn't that impressive when you look at his overall kills per game as an ADC).
  • Fervor of Battle, as well as other items like Shiv and Duskblade, are all broken at the moment.

If it isn't a prevalent pick that has been proven to be successful (or at least moderately viable) throughout the higher elos then it isn't a legitimate pick.

Subdue1 votes

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No. No. I never did this. I was replying to another poster about that Soraka's win rate when he was essentially trying to claim that a 49% win rate isn't bad. I told him that a 49% win rate means nothing in bronze, which is true. I was referring to the skill level of the player, not the intent of the player.

Mechanical skill isn't the only factor when it comes to win rates. There are several things that make bronze volatile, like a lack of proper build paths, a lack of champion abilities, a lack of decision making (which could all be lumped under "game knowledge") as well as a lack of communication and rampant toxicity which makes bronze extremely volatile.

His division is important because players in bronze usually don't communicate very well with each other and this evident when you spectate a low elo game or when you go back and read through some of the chat logs which contain nothing but flaming and passive aggressive missing pings. This lack of communication is a major factor that leads to frustration when people do things like pick top AD Soraka without discussing it with their teammates first.

We don't know that. He could just be doing it to troll around and have fun on an alternate account.

As I've said more than once before in this thread, that's cherry picking. Just because one individual can make it work, that doesn't mean it's an all around good pick or build path in general regardless of the elo bracket. Even if this particular player was earnest, there are several factors that could be leading to his success:

  • People are inexperienced in facing an ADC Ahri.
  • He could be getting carried by his duo queue partner (which seems to be the case in many of his games because his KDA isn't that impressive when you look at his overall kills per game as an ADC).
  • Fervor of Battle, as well as other items like Shiv and Duskblade, are all broken at the moment.

If it isn't a prevalent pick that has been proven to be successful (or at least moderately viable) throughout the higher elos then it isn't a legitimate pick.

  1. The winrate is important no matter what division you're in, you're playing with people of the same skill level. Against people who are at his skill level he wins about half his games playing that build. What's the point of comparing him to anyone other than those at his skill level? Do you think he'd be able to beat Gold level players if he were playing Darius or Renekton? Of course not, just like a Diamond player would likely stomp you or me.

  2. Flaming, passive aggression, and all that jazz happen at all ratings, and are completely separate from his pick. Players are responsible for their own actions. Not that long ago I had a game with Nami mid. She didn't do great, but no one flamed.

  3. You can't just assume that someone is trolling because you don't like their pick. The player, as evidenced by his match history and his win rate is obviously trying to win.

  4. And then you've got Support Miss Fortune, Support Brand, Support Veigar, Top Nautilus, Support Morgana, Support Fiddlesticks, Support Annie, Mid Corki, AD Kennen, Support Malzahar, AP Carry Lux, Support Velkoz Bot lane Ziggs... There are plenty of examples of champions that have seen success in off-role pick. They're not cherry picked. Innovation isn't recognized until it's tested.

Now, I am sorry that you are so close minded as to think that nothing is viable in Bronze except what is viable in high Elo, but you are wrong. Not everything that works in high Elo works in Bronze, and not everything that doesn't work in high Elo doesn't work in Bronze either. Dr. Mundo has a pick rate of less than 2% in higher brackets because his weaknesses are glaring and everyone knows how to counter him. But he stomps in Bronze, because people in Bronze don't.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}As I've said more than once before in this thread, that's cherry picking. Just because one individual can make it work, that doesn't mean it's an all around good pick or build path in general regardless of the elo bracket.

The thing is that if the cherry-picked moments where someone does something off-meta and it works are acceptable, than playing off-meta IS acceptable, since being bad isn't punishable.

If it's fine to do if you're good, then it's also fine to do if you're bad. The punishable things are things that are simply NOT FINE TO DO.

NinjaGuy691 votes

The thing is that if the cherry-picked moments where someone does something off-meta and it works are acceptable, than playing off-meta IS acceptable, since being bad isn't punishable.

I can't agree with that line of logic. If someone jaywalks across the street in oncoming traffic but doesn't get hit, does that make it fine to always jaywalk? No. It's the same with picking troll picks (which you so endearingly refer to as "way off meta picks"). Just because some random support Jax can rack up a few wins in Gold 4, that doesn't make it okay for someone else to say: "I'm going to play top Braum in Diamond 2. Freelo baby!!" That's why cherry-picking is a logical fallacy - because those cherry-picked scenarios do not justify the logic behind the conjecture.

If it's fine to do if you're good, then it's also fine to do if you're bad. The punishable things are things that are simply NOT FINE TO DO.

I agree with you here. If you want to play top Sion or jungle Nautilus or mid Lissandra any weaker, off-meta champion then I'm perfectly fine with that. You can feed your ass off or you can be a God and carry. Either way, you're respecting the fact that there are boundaries within this game and you are adhering to those boundaries in good faith. But you (and many others like you) unfortunately seem to have an issue with making a distinction between an off-meta pick and a troll pick and that's what concerns me. There's this disconnect somewhere that prevents you from rightfully identifying something as a troll pick. And it's really unfortunate to know that there are so many like-minded people out there who are okay with people playing any champion in any role they want, because frankly, that's not making the problems this community has any better. Apathetic views just makes things worse when it comes to weeding out trolls. To each his own I guess.

Hammermancer1 votes

if you get onto policing what people build we might as well get 1 item every 3 levels automatically with no choice, our skills might as well not level up, and this game could be redesigned so that literally zero thought into the leveling/gearing process would be needed

someone who builds wrong and fucks up, I don't really care.

let them, better to get stuck with a troll than to lose any of the builds I like that aren't the optimum build

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