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Matchmaking balance

woodvsmurph·11/12/2016, 12:31:26 AM·2 votes·285 views

I have had way too many games of late where one side is stacked in terms of skill and rank (based on basic skills and performance) and the other team has none. Example: if one team has all players who are intelligent enough not to knowingly engage 1v5 or 2v4 vs fed enemies, the other side should have players who have the same basic skills/knowledge. I'm not talking getting picked off by a skilled rotation -- i'm talking knowingly walking into an outnumbered fight -- forcing the fight even -- when you are behind. And if the match is balanced, a bot lane that literally never gets ganked by the enemy mid, top, or jungle should not be leaving laning 0/10/0 combined score. If this is "balanced", then the top laner or mid or jungle should have an opponent where they can go 10/0/10 just as easily. But that never happens. Getting 8 of 10 placement games with 2-4 teammates with the 0/10/0 mentality that have no basic intelligence compared to their opponents isn't measuring anyone's skill accurately. The skilled player(s) with the 2-4 0/10/0 laning phase teammates literally have 0 chance to win the game. They can ping, ward for teammates, gank for them, try to snowball their own lane (where they're 1v2 all game cuz enemy jungle just needs to keep them in check to win and so sits in their lane from lvl 3 on all game), or do anything else and it doesn't matter. They cannot win an essentially 1v5 or 2v5 game vs players who are maybe even marginally less skilled than them when they are stuck 1v2 from lvl 3 on with zero help from team despite repeated nice attempts to ask for help and despite going out of their way to help teammates. Claiming someone deserves to be bronze 3 (because you gave them 8 shit matches where they had 0 chance to win) when they climbed to gold 4 is bullshit. You did the same thing last season -- put me in bronze and forced me to climb to gold despite repeated streaks of entire weeks where every game was unwinnable due to 0/10/0 laning phase teammates in every role. And it's not just laning phase. It's teammates getting nasty with you for giving them FRIENDLY advice (not "suck less" or "stop feeding retard") that they should already know based on my skill and the skill of every opponent in the game. It's teammates refusing to 5v5, but choosing to 3v5 20 sec later after they left you out to dry because you gave them a GOOD 5v5 engage. It's teammates who fed all game trying to 2v5 stop dragon when they could have come with you 30 sec earlier and got it for free while the enemy was 4 man getting top outer tower. If you are gonna give someone a rank -- rate the player not the average of a player and their 4 teammates who have no business being in a match with you. I know you can't do that per say because kda and whatnot can lie, but you CAN give people teammates who actually belong in a match with you. You CAN ban/demote/tempban/warn players who are clearly boosted (0/10/0 mentality) or INTENTIONALLY sabotage their team; you just never do it. You want fewer toxic players? Give people teammates who don't go 0/10/0 in laning phase alone when they are 2v2. Give players teammates who have the same level of skill/knowledge so that they don't ruin any chance of their team winning by simply being in the game. Give people that so they don't have to go 2/7/1 in a game where they could beat their lane opponent 1v1 even when they're 3 kills down due to being 1v2 all game from lvl 3 on. You do realize how many people you upset last season with this bullshit right? So why are you making it even worse now? I mean when the enemy team works as a group all game and the 1 or 2 people who could feed have the intelligence to wait for teammates to help them get 2v1's or 3v2's while your teammates all have no such intelligence... when your jungle blitz decides it's a good idea to intentionally feed darius 7+ kills for free (just walk up to him, e, then stand there until you die - no connection issues to excuse him)... when you have double the kda of your bot lane when you are 1v2 or 1v3 all laning while they are 2v2 or even 2v1 all laning... giving you a shit placement due to that is a total joke. And it's not just the feeding thing. I understand people have games here and there where they go 1/5/2 in laning or something. It's the added facts of: salty/toxic to teammates who try to help them and who make GOOD shotcalls for the team (which team ignores), lack of basic intelligence as compared to opponents and you (2v5 drag contest when you are all behind, force siege in a 3v5 when you are all half hp vs full hp enemies with all their ults including malphite ult and orianna or something along those lines -- you get the picture?). Just sad that this is your best attempt at BALANCED matchmaking and that it happens game after game after game after game after.... I am not just asking you to fix this for me. I'm asking it for my opponents (who deserve an actual challenge that I can't provide alone vs 5), my teammates (who deserve a chance to win by getting placed vs people of their skill level) and everyone out there like me (who deserve a chance to not get the shit beat out of them every game because they are 1v2 all laning and their teammates feed every other role too hard and refuse to help the one decently skilled teammate in the match). For all their sakes Riot please fix your matchmaking.**_

2 Comments

Kei14311/12/2016, 2:36:40 AM2 votes

wall of txt too stronk.

tldr is required.

plus is preseason. every match making is out of whack. it'll settle in 2 weeks.

woodvsmurph11/13/2016, 6:31:08 PM1 votes

So yesterday, after about 1.5 weeks worth of say 15 games with only 1 of them fairly balanced instead of screwing me over completely and 2 with 1 other decent teammate where we couldn't 2v5 carry I finally got a second semi-balanced game. You want some proof I'm not just a whiny jackass who complains every game he loses or wins if a teammate has bad kda? Here you go: Top -- feed 1st blood at lvl 2 as riven vs fiora. Proceeds to trade 1 for 1 afterwards thanks to some nicely timed counter-ganks by me. I got there most times when elise ganked her, I gave her help with vision, and she went even in lane -- i'll take that any day. Mid was a ziggs vs a fizz. He died a couple of times, but he kept good pressure and knew when to BACK OFF from threat of dying 1v1 due to low health bar and when to leave because i pinged out elise ganks coming mid. Amazing what can happen when someone uses wards besides in first 3 min of game without me having to tell team 20billion times to ward. Bot -- taric lucian vs their nami vayne. Taric was pretty solid in retrospect -- not godlike, but calm under pressure. Lucian was clearly outclassed and set to feed vayne into the monster she needed to be to carry her team to a win. So why didn't that happen and more importantly, why didn't this lucian deserve a report for getting vayne fed? Lucian recognized early enough in laning that vayne was just better and he played safer for the most part. Farming on his half of lane -- no pushing out too far to give elise easy ganks -- she still ganked. He asked for ganks and WAITED until I could gank when enemy overextended to fight back -- after they used their cc gap-closers/escapes on me, then he engages; but always from max range so he can't get easily turned on and deleted. This is big because it forces the enemy team to either just run away, or try to turn back on him and trade kills at best. So although lucian was outclassed in terms of skill, he had the basic game knowledge to play things out correctly FOR THE MOST PART. Thanks to him LISTENING TO TEAMMATES and PLAYING SAFELY (mostly) vayne left lane something like 10/5/# vs the 5/10/# of lucian. Lucian could have been more agro trying to redeem himself and feeding more, but he didn't. And the few big mistakes he did make -- like trying to push mid past river in a 2v2 with no teammates nearby vs 3 mia enemies who could collapse mid in a matter of seconds -- he corrected as soon as teammates pinged him and typed to explain WHY NOT to do that. While he didn't carry the team, the way this lucian played showed me signs that he was merely having a somewhat bad/off game but is a good player deserving to be on same team as rest of us. I was actually proud of him -- you don't see many adc's with some self control. When I got the kills either just too late to save him, or accidently trying to stop them escaping, he didn't get salty about "ks" like most adc. When told to back off or push (not constantly/bossy -- just on occasion like that incident mid) he LISTENED. He looked for teamwork first -- grabbing towers, leaving a few lane cs to help team get drag after a fight; selfless play on his part. And most of all though, recognizing he needed to just play passive due to being outclassed and/or having off game in laning. Provided lucian played like all game even if we had lost, I would not have complained about any teammate win or lose. We finished game with only support taric (ks machine but not due to greed; just necessity) riven, and myself with positive kill to death ratios; ziggs close to even kills vs deaths, and lucian with about 0.5 kills per death. Why? Because even though everyone lost or went even in laning, they didn't throw the game for their whole team in lane. They collapsed to help team even when it meant missing a few cs (myself included). Later teamfights, I died 1v3 while team was fighting the other 2 members that I wasn't peeling. I didn't care I died, because I knew team was cleaning up their 4v2 and would collapse on the 3 i had peeled for them and/or push or back off to heal as appropriate. They all did their part with what champs they had picked to give us a chance to win. They showed teamwork and a vision for the whole map rather than losing their heads over the small picture of their own lane. Win or lose the game, this is all I ask for in teammates -- a bit of teamwork, basic knowledge as compared to their/my opponents, and that they give our team a chance to win the game.[slayer-jinx-catface]