It takes longer, but, now, if I respond in chat to another player....

Troll Armada·Jun 2, 2016·3 votes·823 views

I write the statement that i am responding to and put it in quotes first. That way I keep a record and have a reference to that portion of the conversation.

28 Comments

GaleWinUnleashedJun 2, 20165 votes

This looks suspiciously like an attempt to record toxic statements you're responding to so you can refer to them in your eventual ban appeal. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Troll ArmadaJun 2, 20162 votes

This statement implies that I have an faith in Riot Support to do the right thing given the evidence, which I don't.

SmokedAlmondsJun 2, 20162 votes

Then what is the record for?

Troll ArmadaJun 2, 20162 votes

Oh no you're right, I'm just saying don't expect them to do anything differently.

SmokedAlmondsJun 2, 20164 votes

So you are recording it for the purpose of a future appeal but don't expect it to change anything?

I still don't get it. They already have the entire chat log.

Troll for TrumpJun 3, 20162 votes

They have the entire chat log, but tend to post it w/o context, or just look at it w/o context, especially for the automated parts of the punishment system(which is all of it)

SmokedAlmondsJun 3, 20163 votes

But what does it actually accomplish? It seems to me that most people generally accept whatever context people offer as true, it just doesn't change anything.

Troll for TrumpJun 3, 20162 votes

A lot people have a "guilty until proven innocent" mindset.

White knights.

SmokedAlmondsJun 3, 20162 votes

It isn't that people think others are guilty until proven innocent. The people who have been punished have already been proven guilty. It isn't really even possible to prove you are innocent to other players unless you have some extreme records including every game you ever played on video. Which no one is going to investigate. At best players can provide some supporting evidence, but the chat logs they received aren't comprehensive so they can at most, suggest innocents. It would be like someone pulling out home family movies from holidays at their trial and trying to say that becuase they have video of themselves not comiting a crime at some random times that they didn't commit a crime at any time.

In any case, you still haven't answered the question. What do you accomplish by going out of the way to add the context to the chat logs?

Troll for TrumpJun 4, 20161 votes

Adding context to the chat logs is probably the only way anyone on the boards is ever going to take your side.

SmokedAlmondsJun 4, 20161 votes

Those pleas aren't rejected by the community because people don't believe the context people try to add themselves. They are rejected becuase the context they offer just doesn't change anything. What others say or do just doesn't change anything unless it actually changed the meaning of what someone said. Which I don't think I have ever seen a case for.

Troll for TrumpJun 5, 20161 votes

That mindset is wrong; Context should always be taken into account.

Oh well, it's Riot's mindset.

A bad one, but one that can't be changed.

Nik NikersonJun 5, 20161 votes

Yes, context should always be taken into account. But the context of someone else being toxic doesn't excuse your toxic behavior, nor should it get you out of your punishment.

SmokedAlmondsJun 5, 20162 votes

I always consider it. I don't think I have ever seen context change my opinion of a punishment though.

Almost every single time I see someone add context it is to try and say someone either "started it" or was worse than they were trying to say that those things excuse what they did. Which I simply disagree with. When someone says some other guy started it, a troll triggered them, or some other guy was worse I believe them. But their behavior is just making those situations worse.

It isn't that context doesn't matter, it is just that the specific context people are offering about doesn't change anything.

Like in ARAM if someone were to ask "should I suicide or try and stick it out?" as a strategy and someone responded with "kill yourself". That would change things and you would either not be punished, or if your punishment hinged on that it would be overturned. But no level of bad behavior from someone would excuse you saying that to them.

Troll for TrumpJun 6, 20161 votes

Once again.

Riot's mindset is what you're saying.

Context should allow a punishment to go on pardon.

Yes, a lot of people will disagree, still.

SmokedAlmondsJun 6, 20162 votes

Context does allow a punishment to be pardoned, if it changes the meaning of what you said.

If the context you are providing is anything similar to "he started it" or "he was worse than me" it will not be pardoned. Not because context doesn't matter, but because that specific context doesn't change anything about the situation. Negativity doesn't cancel each other out, it compounds. As such, people are judged and punished for the amount of negativity they contribute to a given situation.

You can want that to be an accepted excuse all you want, but no amount of recording it is going to make it so.

Nik NikersonJun 5, 20162 votes

While we don't have the exact comments being responded to, we generally have the context of the comments. They are being made in response to someone else being a jerk. It just doesn't matter.

EvilDustManJun 3, 20163 votes

Kim Chi VendorJun 2, 20162 votes

Seems like a bad idea, the Tribunal is automated and probably doesn't know the difference between your toxic statements and quoted toxic statements.

Troll ArmadaJun 2, 20162 votes

Hold on a second, there people are tellling us that a Riot Scientist individually examines every case.

Troll for TrumpJun 3, 20162 votes

They did at first to see if it works, now it's basically all automated. I think they do check-ins once in a while.

Troll ArmadaJun 5, 20161 votes

Wow. Just Wow.

The arrogance here.

When a company with 1.5 billion in revenues can't hire people to make sure it's automated system is working properly.

AírJun 6, 20161 votes

I mean, they do have people. But there are millions if not billions of reports monthly. Not even a whole department of people would be able to go through each report manually and not get a backlog. They do have a few people working on the reports and they do admit their mistakes. I've seen them do this on the boards numerous times. It is not common, since most of these perma-banned individuals deserved it, but I see it happen. One simply needs to submit a support ticket.

It is really just looking at the practicality of having people work on a department like that. Every system can have flaws. Like the old tribunal took too long to punish people, the new system can be false sometimes. So doing this is okay, just be ready to potentially be falsely accused, but hopefully this will be revoked due it being gone over by a Rioter.

o Maui oJun 6, 20161 votes

They still randomly audit cases, and manually review cases when people submit support tickets.

Agent2090Jun 4, 20162 votes

The context of the things people say doesn't really matter when it comes to punishing them.

If someone sets fire to a house, and in response, you set fire to a house, the reason for your actions don't really matter, you still set fire to a house.

Same concept applies. If someone starts insulting you, and in response, you start hurling your own insults, the reason for your insults don't really matter, you still insulted someone. And that's against Riot's rules.

Troll ArmadaJun 5, 20161 votes