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Can we bring back people actually looking at games?

Ulquiorra0123··8 votes·5,829 views

So I just had a Tahm Kench who got mad that I banned Talon (apparently he was hovering it, I don't know). I've decided I'm only going to play Kog jungle, and Talon is a champion that I have no ability to deal with, so I banned it. He then took smite Tahm, and proceeded to eat me and throw me under tower (yes I gave him jungle, thought nothing of it). He made me go 0-14 in lane against a LeBlanc purely over a banned champion that I explained to him that I apologize and I didn't intend to ban his champion. This person is still playing games. Because he didn't say anything toxic the whole time other than "I troll" in champion select, he won't get banned because he went 2-1-7 because the enemy team was having a laugh and refused to kill him. You can even check the game, guy did 2k damage the whole game, in a 35 minute game. We won the game, my two friends crapped on bottom lane, all 3 of us reported him, and nothing happened.

I feel like when someone decides to do this they should be banned instantly. It isn't fair that I get to be in a game like this for 40 minutes purely because he wants to be a child. This kind of thing is starting to happen more times than not because players know they can get away with it because its an automated system that only looks at multiple games and only looks at keywords. Can we bring back actual people looking at games? I think its about time.

24 Comments

ModThe Djinn8 votes

Can we bring back actual people looking at games?

No. There are simply too many games played. I did approximate calculations once, and I think it turned out that a team of 200 employees working full 8-hour-days with no meetings or other responsibilities could barely manage it if they watched every game at x10 speed. League is simply an enormous game, and having human eyes on everything is just not feasible.

Arcane Blue Boi2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ih8EKoPs,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-21T12:37:55.420+0000)

No. There are simply too many games played. I did approximate calculations once, and I think it turned out that a team of 200 employees working full 8-hour-days with no meetings or other responsibilities could barely manage it if they watched every game at x10 speed. League is simply an enormous game, and having human eyes on everything is just not feasible.

CS:GO makes it so that people with over X wins are able to review reported games for cheaters or trollers We could make something similar, but not with wins, with honor levels maybe

ModThe Djinn4 votes

{quoted}CS:GO makes it so that people with over X wins are able to review reported games for cheaters or trollers We could make something similar, but not with wins, with honor levels maybe

That was sort of the idea of the Tribunal, which was discontinued for being too slow and not having enough users years ago. League has only grown since then.

Arcane Blue Boi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ih8EKoPs,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-06-21T12:59:42.703+0000)

That was sort of the idea of the Tribunal, which was discontinued for being too slow and not having enough users years ago. League has only grown since then.

Soo, is there a chance such thing will make an apearence again?

ModThe Djinn3 votes

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Soo, is there a chance such thing will make an apearence again?

I can't speak for Riot, but I think such a thing is extremely unlikely due, again, to the fact that the Tribunal was already far too slow and unwieldy previously, and was also less consistent than the current system.

Ulquiorra01231 votes

This isn't true, it wasn't less consistent, it was far more consistent than this system. This system only catches people who use vulgar text, it doesn't care about your actions ingame. It actually caught people like the disco nunu inventor, who this system just allows to play game after game. Take Dotot for a second, who literally trolled games for an entire month, inting every single game at a high elo, he eventually got bored, not banned lol. At least Tribunal caught players like this. This is why so many players want and overwatch-like system in league, cause the automated system doesn't do anything about the true issue in league. I don't think that many people actually care about text as much as they do about someone going into the game with the intent to lose. The system only cares about text, so the real issue is never solved.

Bijeesny1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ih8EKoPs,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2018-06-21T12:59:42.703+0000)

That was sort of the idea of the Tribunal, which was discontinued for being too slow and not having enough users years ago. League has only grown since then.

But CSGO is a big game aswell, and they have NO ISSUES with that system. So the only explanation is that Riot doesn't care enough. There are 0 reasons not to bring in Overwatch-like system.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

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But CSGO is a big game aswell, and they have NO ISSUES with that system. So the only explanation is that Riot doesn't care enough. There are 0 reasons not to bring in Overwatch-like system.

CS:GO claims about 11 million unique players per month. League, as of last check, was around 100 million unique players per month, so the scale really isn't the same. Plus, League -- again -- tried this already with the Tribunal, and found it inefficient and far too slow, in addition to being not as consistent as automated detection.

Bijeesny1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ih8EKoPs,comment-id=00020000000000010000,timestamp=2018-06-21T16:31:39.400+0000)

CS:GO claims about 11 million unique players per month. League, as of last check, was around 100 million unique players per month, so the scale really isn't the same. Plus, League -- again -- tried this already with the Tribunal, and found it inefficient and far too slow, in addition to being not as consistent as automated detection.

Where did you check that information exactly? Last time I heard, Riot didn't relase the number of unique active accounts.

HalcyonDweller2 votes

League also has a new game client into which such a tribunal could be integrated. And there's an honor system now that could be used to help filter and/or guide it.

I suspect that if Riot took another crack at player-reviews, they could come up with something workable. It would help if only honorable players could do reviews, and if it cost something like keys or honor points. It kind of ties nicely into my suggestion a few weeks back about making honor more fluid like a currency that gets earned and spent.

Anyway I know that it's complicated, just wanted to point out that it's easier to get player participation in the tribunal if it's a tab in the game client instead of a separate website on peoples' browsers.

GigglesO2 votes

They also removed any incentive for doing it because players were spamming punish for the group benefits of "if you judged a case correctly"

Ulquiorra01231 votes

I think there is a way to do it though. Chat related offenses are easy to automate, sure do that, but revamp the system so it stops banning people for being kind as we have seen in recent past :P

As far as trolling and inting in games, I think its fine to let the players handle it similar to how CSGO does it. I understand its a bigger game, but there is a bigger playerbase to moderate this stuff. If it works very efficiently for CSGO, why not for League. The idea that the massive playerbase is the issue, this is just stupid imo because the playerbase means nothing in this case. More cases = more people to check them. Yes it will be a bit slower than an automated system, but at least its RELIABLE. Notice that word for a second, can you even associate that with the current system? Nope, not a chance.

Now all the people can sit here and say they will dodge out of courtesy, or i should have dodged, I would much rather take the bullet to ban the person than have him go ruin another game. Because in reality, dodging doesn't do anything, this person shouldn't be playing the game. It is proven time and time again, that unless you intentionally feed while streaming on twitch, you will never get banned. You can troll every single game for hundreds of games and never get punished, because the system doesn't care about what you do ingame, as long as you aren't being toxic lol. There are multiple accounts on NA in all divisions that just troll games every single game, most of them have been doing it for a couple of years.

Tribunal failed because they limited who can and who can't review games, CSGO just has a number of wins requirement. CSGO has more people in their overwatch system to review games than tribunal ever did. This was a massive mistake on Riot's end, something they didn't even consider. All they had to do was open it up to the entire playerbase who plays regularly to take the strain off the employees who also worked night and day. They can still do this, why they won't I do not know, you already give players the ability to autoban someone who is being toxic ingame, why not give that same power to the players in a tribunal system. They either don't care enough, or are too lazy.

Hethalean4 votes

Support ticket + preview clip = person potentially looking into it

Ulquiorra01231 votes

I can do this from the replay?

Hethalean1 votes

I know you can make a clip from replay, then I think you can either send that into Riot or I think there are converters online. I forget what file type it is when it's made.

Arammus4 votes

haha good one

Kei1434 votes

Riot never threw away manual reviews. They still do them, you just don't see them doing it.

Btw, you are in control of which direction you get thrown out while in kench's belly.

mack91123 votes

If I accidentally ban a champ someone was hovering I always dodge. It's courtesy

Warlord Rhinark2 votes

Honestly.

You should've just dodged that game.

Pika Fox2 votes

Theres physically no way to ban for this "instantly". Chat related offenses are easy to automate, actual in game gameplay offenses arent.

Yatol1 votes

So much toxicity in that /all chat

La Belle Sauvage1 votes

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So much toxicity in that /all chat

There is zero reason to have all chat enabled. And maybe one or two for team chat.

GigglesO1 votes

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He then took smite Tahm, and proceeded to eat me

You can click out of a tham kench grab if you just spam click outside of his body completely negating his eatting...

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

Then mby look at champ select and don't ban someone's champ?

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