Riot employee clarifies it is against the rules to ask others report someone.

Moist Alcoholic·Jun 8, 2017·4 votes·1,217 views

riot employee has stated it is against the rules to ask other players to report someone, regardless of circumstances. including when they announce they will intentionally feed, and proceed to do so.

so im going to be reporting every single individual i see doing this. linking the above imgur in the report chat box, and when i dont see "your report has done something" messages frequently,
ill be back here to submit evidence of riot employees claiming one thing, and disregarding it.

i think the players have a right to know what riot's expectations are within their game. dont delete this riot, it is not in the wrong section. it is not against the rules of your website.

28 Comments

Deep Terror NamiJun 8, 20176 votes

riot employee has stated it is against the rules to ask other players to report someone

True, but simply asking for reports is considered pretty low on the negativity scale (you aren't going to be punished just for that). However, if you are throwing around accusations or using the threat of a report to harass or coerce them, that is going to be considered more severe.

regardless of circumstances

Threatening people with reports doesn't help anyone. More often than not you're just throwing more fuel on the fire. Instead of feeding into the negativity, you should just ask them to stop and otherwise not engage them.

It's very important to note that number of reports in a game doesn't matter. At all. Any number of reports will always trigger a review for that player's behavior, so asking for more reports is harmful (due to the added negativity as mentioned before) and there are zero positive benefits. This is why you should simply avoid doing this.

so im going to be reporting every single individual i see doing this. linking the above imgur in the report chat box

I get that you're upset over your punishment, but trying to get other people punished isn't going to help you. You should be trying to actually understand what you were punished for, which is not limited to what you are claiming it was. If you'd like to discuss your punishment here I recommend sharing your entire chat logs with us to review.

when i dont see "your report has done something" messages frequently

You're not going to. As I already said, simply asking for reports is alone not very negative. You won't get anyone punished unless they are regularly negative or are doing a lot more than asking for reports, the same way that you got punished.

Moist AlcoholicJun 8, 20171 votes

sir, if you like i can give you the chat logs of the game.

the worst thing i did was say "stfu" to the player who stated "im going to run it down mid", who proceeded to feed the entire time. that isnt penalty worthy. its not like i get in arguments every game.

fact is, according to this riot employee, "witch hunting isnt okay, nor is telling someone stfu, reguardless of circumstance", which includes asking for reports against a player who not only stated he was going to intentional feed, but then fed all game.

tell me how the guy who sais in chat "im going to run it down mid", and then he runs it down mid, doesnt get penalized.

Deep Terror NamiJun 8, 20174 votes

tell me how the guy who sais in chat "im going to run it down mid", and then he runs it down mid, doesnt get penalized

Your punishment isn't dependent on his, or vice versa. You don't always get a notification of punishment when you submit a valid report either, so you won't always know if the system was able to detect the feeding and punish them.

Moist AlcoholicJun 8, 20171 votes

oh really? you mean the automated system that informs you your report did something, doesnt perform often? do you have any evidence to support this claim?

my punishment was invalid. i dont even care about it. 10 games chat restriction when i BARELY speak to begin with. no im just pissed off rito decides to punish a player with no barring, rather than one who sais he will int feed, in ranked, then proceeds to do so.

Deep Terror NamiJun 8, 20175 votes

It's not that it "doesn't perform", it's that you are not supposed to get notified every time, because you'd get spammed too often and it would just be annoying. The system isn't there to make you feel good about your reports, and 100% feedback is too much visibility as it would too easily allow people to figure out how to game the system (by knowing what behavior it can and cannot detect). And yes there are sources for this (part of being an Arbiter is having this sort of information);

https://twitter.com/RiotSupport/status/776560376657879040

There are a few posts from Lyte, who was the player behavior lead, but since he no longer works at Riot I won't source him. If you have further concerns about this you should try submitting another ticket about it.

That aside, I highly recommend reading this article on the Instant Feedback System, as it explains how the system works and why you are punished regardless of what the other player did.

https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/207489286-Instant-Feedback-System-FAQ-#h2q2

Moist AlcoholicJun 8, 20171 votes

so far your posts have have done nothing but blame me, defend riots poor actions, make baseless statements regarding how their systems function with no sources of the information, and stray off-topic.

the point of this post was simply to inform other players of the rule,

im asking you to refrain from further posts on my post. continuing to post here will be seen as harassment in my eyes. your off-topic comments are not welcome here.

ModPeriscopeJun 8, 20173 votes

You're only punished for your actions, not anyone else's. So it's only right that blame for your punishment is on you.

Moist AlcoholicJun 8, 20171 votes

i wasnt punished for asking other players to report someone who said "im going to run it down mid", who then proceeded to run it down mid. i also said stfu to that person. so bad, definitely chat restriction worthy right there.

Kei143Jun 8, 20172 votes

I remember playing with you, twice. Cos your name stands out.

In those two games, you blamed others for your mistakes and gave up early. You also kept asking for others to get reported as well. Yes I did report you that game.

DTN isn't blaming you. He's trying to let you know that your actions are your responsibility alone.

There are small things you can do to improve how impactful you are ingame from the jungle. Things such as learning how to AA-animation cancel with vi's E or improving your jungle routing / awareness. The AA-cancel will allow you to clear faster, take less dmg from monsters, which means you get to gank at higher hp. I don't remember how you did in team fights, but somehow a vi jumping into the enemy at a bad time comes to mind.

Moist AlcoholicJun 8, 20171 votes

i dont play jungle, so you are mistaken. i play support/top. and i havent played vi at all this season. maybe once when filled last?

you are definitely mistaken.

and that chat restriction definitely wasnt justified.

Kei143Jun 8, 20172 votes

I can't pull match history up from over a month ago, so I can't confirm / deny whether I did truly play with you.

But if your chat restriction wasn't justified, then you should post your full logs so we can assess whether it was justified.

Moist AlcoholicJun 8, 20171 votes

Game 1 Liquid Dabs: plz play safe guys Liquid Dabs: ffs Liquid Dabs: stop dying plz Liquid Dabs: muted. enjoy your penalties. Liquid Dabs: riven isnt the problem. the 0/3 and 0/2 top and jungle are Liquid Dabs: like seriously. its not hard to play safe Liquid Dabs: im not the problem here. all i did was ask top to play safe. Liquid Dabs: and the guy cries hes gonna int Liquid Dabs: be sure to report our top laner. said he'd int because ia sked him to stop dying. Liquid Dabs: now hes 0/4 Liquid Dabs: im muting you like i did your boyfriend. ive violated no rules. Liquid Dabs: bye. Liquid Dabs: be sure to report lux toxic and olaf int feed Liquid Dabs: lux harassing me, olaf stated he'd int. Liquid Dabs: he said he would chat logs Liquid Dabs: cool. u got fed off an int feeding top laner and a lee in silver playing a highly mechanical champion Liquid Dabs: claps Liquid Dabs: wouldnt u be with an int feeding top laner? Liquid Dabs: the guy said would int feed Liquid Dabs: look at his score Liquid Dabs: thanks for blue Liquid Dabs: u knew i wasnt in lane Liquid Dabs: not my fault u stayed pushed up w/ no tower Liquid Dabs: knowing iw as out warding Liquid Dabs: yah mid is still laive. cause i kept veigar from killing it Liquid Dabs: but xayah thinks i shud be banned for doing that. Liquid Dabs: gg Liquid Dabs: enjoy your respective chat restrict and bans, lux and oalf.

beginning: team dying, me asking them to please stop. i say "muted. enjoy your penalties", when top lane decides to reply with "stfu ill run it down mid", or something along those lines.

lux is saying its their riven or w/e was fed af that game from top lane, thats the problem. i said no, the problem is the int feeding top laner and the lee just added more salt to the wounds.

lux begins attacking me, blaming me for our teams poor status. xayah then blames me for her dying, as i try to ward topside she decided to 1v2 (she pushed out the wave up past river (tier 1 turret was gone)

i defend mid, xayah now asking me to be reported in all chat.

--- now granted, i could have not said anything. but does this sequence of events and the text actually deserve a chat restriction?-

Game 2

Liquid Dabs: lucian we gotta play safe. they got ignite and stronger lane Liquid Dabs: we have stronger teamfight Liquid Dabs: save ur e to dodge zyra e Liquid Dabs: i cant do anything if she roots u Liquid Dabs: + if rooted Liquid Dabs: cait drops trap Liquid Dabs: chain cc Liquid Dabs: the root = death Liquid Dabs: dont show in lane until 1:55 Liquid Dabs: it hides lee's jungle start Liquid Dabs: w Liquid Dabs: go b lucian Liquid Dabs: ah Liquid Dabs: gj Liquid Dabs: .1 second :s Liquid Dabs: chill lucian. its fixable Liquid Dabs: gj Liquid Dabs: 3 top Liquid Dabs: gj Liquid Dabs: go b lucian Liquid Dabs: shhh maoki, he was helping us Liquid Dabs: he cant be eveyrwhere Liquid Dabs: just got us first turret blood Liquid Dabs: a drake Liquid Dabs: and a double kill Liquid Dabs: so stop plz Liquid Dabs: xin r Liquid Dabs: come mid lucian Liquid Dabs: stop fighting each other Liquid Dabs: ffs Liquid Dabs: it doesnt help Liquid Dabs: plz group Liquid Dabs: stop ffs Liquid Dabs: shut the fuck up. u and maoki toxic af. Liquid Dabs: muted. Liquid Dabs: stop 1v3'ing plz Liquid Dabs: so youre inting now? Liquid Dabs: cool. enjoy your bn. Liquid Dabs: ba Liquid Dabs: ban Liquid Dabs: ggwp Liquid Dabs: report maoki int feed and toxic. lucian just toxic Liquid Dabs: "stop 1v3'ing please" Liquid Dabs: maoki-" i dont even care anymore" Liquid Dabs: "we have no team" Liquid Dabs: u admitted u were int feeding.

starts off discussing strategy. no problems. lee fails a gank, lucian gets mad. i said chill, its fixable lee comes back, gets us a double kill first turret and a dragon maoki is crying about being camped. i said look dude lee cant be everywhere he's doing stuff otherwhere.

maoki and lucian are attacking lee.

then i say " shut the fuck up. u and maoki toxic af. " after trying to hold the team together for awhile now.

PLEASE TELL ME HOW I DESERVE A CHAT RESTRICTION AFTER THESE 2 GAMES. and dont say there are others, because there simply isnt a long list of toxicity from me.

occasionally i say slightly toxic things when im frustrated with intentional feeders and trolls and allies argueing with each other over nothing.

EndlessSorcererJun 8, 20171 votes

Look for it here (using the filters).

Riot's match history goes back for years.

ModAttysu The PoroJun 8, 20174 votes

it's just sad that we've gotten so used to this way of thinking.

Are you advocating that the community en-mass should change into a pile of trolls? It's the community that sets the standards. I think you're going to have a hard sell convincing the player-base that they must put up with harassment while they are playing a video game.

The title of your post was related to the behavior systems being broken. How would you suggest they be changed?

As expected, this forum is filled with nothing but Riot Games yes-men who can't think logically.

It's actually the opposite. Our behavior systems and norms and created/informed by the community. We simply enforce what the playerbase has taught our systems. For example, in Korea 'your mom' jokes are extremely bad, where in the U.S. it's just a joke. So these people on the forums are sharing THEIR opinions. They are not spouting off a stance Riot has created.

Everything above is a conversation from another thread, the quote parts are by Riot Tantram. Also; retaliation against someone else being toxic by being toxic or cursing at the person is not okay. Muting them and such is fine, but calling for reports and saying stuff like;

Liquid Dabs: stop ffs Liquid Dabs: shut the fuck up. u and maoki toxic af. Liquid Dabs: muted. Liquid Dabs: stop 1v3'ing plz Liquid Dabs: so youre inting now? Liquid Dabs: report maoki int feed and toxic. lucian just toxic Liquid Dabs: "stop 1v3'ing please"

...comes off as you mocking people, and name calling, and feeding into the toxicity. Also remember, you only get chat restricted or punished in general for repetitive behavior, so please be sure to try and be more positive in your games from now on! Like that Rioter said, repetitive behavior after this chat restriction can lead to a longer chat restriction, a 14 day suspension, and a permaban.

Moist AlcoholicJun 8, 20171 votes

stop ffs (telling them to stop argueing) stfu u and maoki toxic af. (could have not said, sur) muted (could have not said, sure.

stop 1v3ing plz. (how is this toxic) report these guys for X (how is this toxic)

that chat restriction wasnt justified. period. oh there is more evidence you say? it has to be repetitive? tell me how those were the only 2 games as "Evidence", and they arent even strong evidence.

if im so god damn toxic, why arent these chat logs on my reform card? because they dont exist.

so much like the former rioter. get off my post. your off-topic and accusation

"u only get chat restricted or punished in general for repetitive behavior"

is not welcome. pfft repetitive behavior.

SHOW ME RIOT SOME CHAT LOGS FROM ME THAT ARE WORTHY OF PENALTIES. YOU HAVE NONE! YOU HAVE 2 BARELY "TOXIC" CHAT LOGS.

Silent GravityJun 8, 20172 votes

I removed all of the negative lines from your chat.

[{quoted}](name=Liquid Dabs,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gNnGRwNg,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-08T17:27:55.488+0000)

Game 1 Liquid Dabs: plz play safe guys Liquid Dabs: thanks for blue Game 2 Liquid Dabs: lucian we gotta play safe. they got ignite and stronger lane Liquid Dabs: we have stronger teamfight Liquid Dabs: save ur e to dodge zyra e Liquid Dabs: i cant do anything if she roots u Liquid Dabs: + if rooted Liquid Dabs: cait drops trap Liquid Dabs: chain cc Liquid Dabs: the root = death Liquid Dabs: dont show in lane until 1:55 Liquid Dabs: it hides lee's jungle start Liquid Dabs: w Liquid Dabs: go b lucian Liquid Dabs: ah Liquid Dabs: gj Liquid Dabs: .1 second :s Liquid Dabs: chill lucian. its fixable Liquid Dabs: gj Liquid Dabs: 3 top Liquid Dabs: gj Liquid Dabs: go b lucian Liquid Dabs: shhh maoki, he was helping us Liquid Dabs: he cant be eveyrwhere Liquid Dabs: just got us first turret blood Liquid Dabs: a drake Liquid Dabs: and a double kill Liquid Dabs: so stop plz Liquid Dabs: xin r Liquid Dabs: come mid lucian Liquid Dabs: stop fighting each other Liquid Dabs: ffs Liquid Dabs: it doesnt help Liquid Dabs: plz group Liquid Dabs: stop ffs

Game one was pretty bad. You said almost nothing useful, helpful or even neutral. Game two started out quite well, but the last 13 lines are all negative.

Asking for reports was part of what caused your punishment, but by no means the entire reason.

Moist AlcoholicJun 8, 20171 votes

explain to me how these 2 chats warrant penalties. there isnt a third chat. there isnt a 4th.

these two. disgraceful.

oh the thing that gets me the most "you are among the 5% of the players that deserve blahblah", you get that little message on the penalty notification.

how are those 2 chat logs, among the 5% of the most negative things said in this game. i honestly think who ever wrote that statement was on some type of drug.

ModAttysu The PoroJun 8, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=Liquid Dabs,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=gNnGRwNg,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-06-08T18:17:51.005+0000)

stop ffs (telling them to stop argueing) stfu u and maoki toxic af. (could have not said, sur) muted (could have not said, sure.

stop 1v3ing plz. (how is this toxic) report these guys for X (how is this toxic)

that chat restriction wasnt justified. period. oh there is more evidence you say? it has to be repetitive? tell me how those were the only 2 games as "Evidence", and they arent even strong evidence.

if im so god damn toxic, why arent these chat logs on my reform card? because they dont exist.

so much like the former rioter. get off my post. your off-topic and accusation

"u only get chat restricted or punished in general for repetitive behavior"

is not welcome. pfft repetitive behavior.

SHOW ME RIOT SOME CHAT LOGS FROM ME THAT ARE WORTHY OF PENALTIES. YOU HAVE NONE! YOU HAVE 2 BARELY "TOXIC" CHAT LOGS.

Because it only shows your most recent games that got flagged, and were the final push to your punishment. I'm sorry you haven't found the answers you were looking for here, but this is all I can do for you. I also advise you read this article on the Instant Feedback System, and if you would like to discuss this further, reach out to Support again, or join us in the Moderator Discord.

Moist AlcoholicJun 8, 20171 votes

i said get off my post. you are harassing me, with your off-topic and unsourced information. comment again and i will sift through the terms of service and highlight the section in my report.

PlsTouchMeGentlyJun 10, 20171 votes

Typical. Calls anythinghe doesn't want to hear "harassment." Let's see how far you get in the real world with that pathetic approach to conflict.

archerno1Jun 8, 20171 votes

This is well known...

Moist AlcoholicJun 8, 20171 votes

well its news to me. probably others when you consider it happens in the majority of games.

HockerJun 8, 20171 votes

that's because most of the players don't come onto the boards. That's how you learn the subtleties of what is and isn't acceptable

Moist AlcoholicJun 8, 20171 votes

cool. maybe riot should post this as a "did you know" in pregame.

ModPeriscopeJun 8, 20171 votes

It's not Riot's job to dictate what is reportable and what isn't: that's more in the player base's hands.

They have clarified rules in edge cases, such as report calling, and more severe penalties, like hate speech.

Moist AlcoholicJun 8, 20171 votes

actually, it is riot's job to set a standard of what they allow in their game. if i am chat restricted because i asked for an individual who not only said he'd intentionally feed, but did intentionally feed to be reported by others,

then a lot of people should be chat restricted. a lot more individuals than currently are, thats for damn sure.

ChønklordJun 8, 20171 votes

Please post your reform card / chat logs so we can have more context in order to better provide commentary on the why and the what of your chat restriction.

Moist AlcoholicJun 8, 20171 votes

copy pasted the chat log above, in reply to kei143.