Surefire way to stop botting in co-op vs ai games. Create a bot queue.

OneFreeSkin·Oct 30, 2017·1 votes·649 views

If riot really does have any bot detection program at all, then why can't they create a seperate queue for any accounts detected behaving with botlike tendancies?

I know for a fact that newer less skilled players are seperated from more skilled players in blind pick pre 30 games, so why can that same principle not be applied to seperating bots from humans in co-op vs ai games? It kills two birds with one stone.

And to make it even easier, all they have to do is simply have every account that has 0 kills multiple deaths and 0 assists for ten co-op vs ai games in a row or something along those lines be moved into a seperate queue.

It can be done quite easily if Riot wanted to do it but they don't.

15 Comments

ChermorgOct 30, 20171 votes

Placing bots in a separate queue immediately would have the same effect as banning them instantly - it would make it easier for bot-owners/operators to improve their bots so that they would be harder to detect.

Most games do it the way Riot does - let them bot for a seemingly random amount of time, and then ban them in waves.

OneFreeSkinOct 30, 20171 votes

How about a system that doesnt fuck players trying to make it to 30? Two to three bots per co-op vs ai game with the LUCKY one per game is like saying "sorry new players but we cant think of a way to help you so were just going to ignore you". Thats fucked.

ChermorgOct 30, 20171 votes

I can understand how it seems like that. But it’s the truth, sadly. I have yet to see any decent idea for improving the detection system, and as I said, Riot’s system mimics many other game company systems such as Blizzard, Valve, and Runescape/Jagex. That means that it’s not only that Riot can’t come up with a better idea, but that other game companies can’t find a better idea. This does, unfortunately, lead to bots overpowering new areas of games - such as the tutorials in Runescape, lower than 30 in League, etc. But sadly, there’s just no good way to deal with them without the problem coming back worse in the future.

It’s like the hydra - cut off one head and two more come back in its place.

OneFreeSkinOct 30, 20171 votes

You just don't give a shit about new players so whatever

ChermorgOct 30, 20171 votes

I do care - we’ve all been there. But complaining does nothing if we can’t come up with helpful ideas. I completely agree that the system sucks for new players. But it’s the lesser of two sucky systems - the bots either get banned instantly but almost never get banned because harder to detect, or we ban them after a while and people have to deal with them for a week or so.

OneFreeSkinOct 30, 20171 votes

IT HAS BEEN TWO MONTHS. I have not seen a drop in bots. I play every single day. What the fuck are you talking about with a week or so?

ChermorgOct 30, 20171 votes

When an account is banned, the bot owner will simply create a new account. Bots are being banned - but they’ll just make a new account. The thing is we can still detect and ban the accounts.

The benefit of this system is it prevents those bot accounts from ever being used by people - they can’t be sold if they’re banned or get banned shortly after being bought.

WariosOct 30, 20171 votes

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When an account is banned, the bot owner will simply create a new account. Bots are being banned - but they’ll just make a new account. The thing is we can still detect and ban the accounts.

The benefit of this system is it prevents those bot accounts from ever being used by people - they can’t be sold if they’re banned or get banned shortly after being bought.

They should flag the confirmed bot accounts, once they are used in regular play, then ban them. If this happens after an account is purchased, it will bring down the reputation of the seller, perhaps getting a bad reputation and limiting the customer base.

ChermorgOct 30, 20171 votes

While I don’t have a specific Riot source, I feel like they already do that - I’ve had friends that have bought smurfs and then had them banned within a week or so - it may be that Riot looks to see when an account is bought before they ban. We will never know for sure.

OneFreeSkinOct 30, 20171 votes

No one gives a fuck about runescape bots. The only reason they get caught is because they run them 24/7. And even then those bots don't even hurt anyone. Can you give me examples of games where botting would actually matter? Otherwise your just using conjecture and you should stop.

OneFreeSkinOct 30, 20171 votes

Unless you agree with that philosophy. "Fuck new players for the greater good of riot".

OneFreeSkinOct 30, 20171 votes

Hell man, I'd rather a bot be harder to detect than run it down mid going 0-16, or fucking off in the jungle 3 at a time and STILL managing to feed going 0-16.

ChermorgOct 30, 20171 votes

But the thing is that bot is being detected now and will likely be banned within a couple weeks. If they banned instantly, you’d have tons more bots, and they’d rarely get banned as they would be harder to confirm.

OneFreeSkinOct 30, 20171 votes

Ok so, how exactly does Riot banning accounts in a couple weeks vs immediatly make the scripting problem more managable?

ChermorgOct 30, 20171 votes

By banning a bot immediately after detection (or shortly after detection), you enable the bot-writer to see what game they were detected in. They can use that data (of what game tripped the system) to reverse engineer the detection system, and thereby improve their bot to be less detectable by the system.