I've seen everything now

The Great Divide·Feb 8, 2017·4 votes·1,345 views

Went into an ARAM, just trying to have some fun. I get a Galio and Tahm who both build full AP, rage the entire game that we all suck, and then tell us all to "kys" whenever Lulu and I tried to explain that they both scale better building tank.

The clincher isn't even that they were just awful, toxic people. But the fact that in post-chat Galio said "you only have 797 wins in ARAM. You don't know anything about how to build or play this game...."

This is ARAM.... like who even considers wins in ARAM, and then proceeds to try and make an argument off of it?!?! I've seen it all.

41 Comments

RivetAceFeb 8, 20174 votes

To be honest, I find that Galio scales best built bruiser AP. Something like this: item 3027 item 3020 item 3065 item 3157 item 3109 item 3001 (Sorcs are debatable but I like my magic pen :3 )

The Great DivideFeb 8, 20172 votes

Ours went full ham, like item 3089 item 3135 item 3165 . Which is fine! People can build what they want in ARAM. I'll ask if they know building tank might be better. But people can do what they want.

KORGtunersFeb 8, 20171 votes

I'll ask if they know building tank is better.

Better at what?

That is your entire problem. You went into a game to have fun. Then expected the other people in the game to try to win. It didn't work out for you did it?

The Great DivideFeb 8, 20172 votes

I mean, everyone should at least try to win... If you aren't at least putting some effort into winning, then you're at that fine line where you're probably trolling.

And I had a decent amount of fun. I even started building tank on Leblanc, which was kinda wonky XD. What wasn't fun was the toxic flaming, the "kys," and the whole "you only have 797 ARAM wins" (which is what this thread was supposed to be about)

Better at what?

And building tank is better, my kind sir, at not blowing up the minute you walk into a team fight [slayer-jinx-wink]

GwellaouenFeb 8, 20172 votes

Lol

I think that the OP subject was in the first place that the Galio and Talon were really toxic players. I do not think he wanted some essay about whether or not ARAM is for fun or whatnot.

Just report them at the end of the game like I do on the Rift with anyone who do the same. ^^

And sorry about mistakes in english.

Ramen226Feb 8, 20171 votes

You have 797 wins in aram..?

The Great DivideFeb 8, 20171 votes

It was how I learned how to play the game mechanically back when I started late season 4

PaquayFeb 8, 20172 votes

Hmm, at my rate of ARAM wins I better hope the game is still running in 2152 to get close to your wins. :P

KORGtunersFeb 8, 20171 votes

Went into an ARAM, just trying to have some fun.

whenever Lulu and I tried to explain that they both scale better building tank.

These 2 sentences do not belong together.

Next time you want to just "have fun":

Tell your team you are not playing competitively.
Don't comment on how well other people are playing or building.
Mute ragers.

Follow these guidelines and you will have more fun.

The Great DivideFeb 8, 20171 votes

We weren't even bossy. We literally just asked if they knew they scaled better when building certain tanky items

KORGtunersFeb 8, 20171 votes

I tried to explain that they both scale better building tank.

We literally just asked if they knew they scaled better when building certain tanky items

Can you see how those are different?

It doesn't matter much anyways. If you are playing "for fun" then you have no business worrying about other peoples builds. Your "fun" and their "fun" are different.

To be perfectly clear, if someone asks you how to build, that is completely different and fine to comment upon.

CancerBasedGodFeb 8, 20172 votes

Yeah cause casually telling someone they can get better results with different items is horrible. Assault!

KORGtunersFeb 8, 20171 votes

I'm glad you agree.

CancerBasedGodFeb 8, 20172 votes

You know responding to sarcasm with more sarcasm doesn't deflect the original sarcasm?

KORGtunersFeb 8, 20171 votes

So you don't actually agree?

How sad.

CancerBasedGodFeb 8, 20172 votes

It doesn't get more clever the more you repeat it.

KORGtunersFeb 8, 20172 votes

Repeat what?

PaquayFeb 8, 20173 votes

I disagree completely. Why would you have no business trying to help your team AND a fellow summoner with build advice? Yes, you want to go about it the right way and not say stuff like "is this your first time Galio cause you're building AP like a moron" but there's nothing wrong with giving advice.

Here's the problem with this scenario: OP ran into a couple of thin-skinned sissy lalas who think they know everything. There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism, but it sounds like you don't want to be told any different.

Personally, I appreciate when my team gives constructive advice on builds or gameplay. If I disagree, I won't get bent out of shape. I'll simply tell them I build X item over Y item because of Z reason. Why get worked up because someone is trying to be helpful? Go away with your negativity.

The Great DivideFeb 8, 20171 votes

The sad thing is, this post wasn't even about people building weird stuff in ARAM item 3070

KORGtunersFeb 8, 20172 votes

Sorry, it feels like I am stalking you.

The sad thing for me is, you went into a game to have fun then expected others to take the game seriously.

I don't think you will understand so I will just leave you now. Take care.

CancerBasedGodFeb 8, 20173 votes

He doesn't expect them to take it serious... He just gave them some god damn tips.

KORGtunersFeb 8, 20171 votes

Let me guess, you are the LuLu?

Please indulge me one time as I leave this dead end discussion.

What if the Galio and Tahm were joking the entire time?

CancerBasedGodFeb 8, 20172 votes

No I was the Galio.

KORGtunersFeb 8, 20171 votes

Kudos on your cojones.

Admitting you raged all game and gave death threats.

Good luck take care

CancerBasedGodFeb 8, 20172 votes

I wasn't the Galio, I was the left Nexus turret.

KORGtunersFeb 8, 20172 votes

Why would you have no business trying to help your team AND a fellow summoner with build advice?

Trying to help your team do what?

Have more fun

Win more often

If have more fun: OP said:

explain that they both scale better building tank.

Fun scales? Fun scales better with certain playstyles? How do you know how much fun I am having?

If win more often: Then you are a hypocrite. OP said :

Went into an ARAM,** just trying to have some fun**.

It is a lot easier to win when the entire team has that same goal. ` Now once again, since you seemed to have missed it when I said:

To be perfectly clear,f someone asks you how to build, **that is completely different **and fine to comment upon.

PaquayFeb 8, 20172 votes

And what is the harm in giving build advice? It doesn't matter that the term "fun" is subjective. You're getting your head wrapped around that.

The OP made a statement in regards to their build, and then they flamed.... and you approve of this because he was trying to be helpful?

How hard is it for the Galio or Tahm to simply say "That's cool, we're trying out a fun build." Or "We know how to build but we're trying something new."

You don't have to ask a question in order to get advice. Could you imagine if the world worked like you envision it? shudder

KORGtunersFeb 8, 20171 votes

And what is the harm in giving build advice?

There is no harm. It is just pointless to give advice in certain scenarios (when the person is telling you to kill yourself).

Apparently, it is just me. I find it insulting to critique other people when you are not giving your best effort. It is a cop out. "I'm playing bad becuase I'm just having fun. You should do what I tell you though because I know better."

Maybe this is a better way to put it: Who are you going to trust? 0-10 "Just having fun" or 10-0 "I'm trying to win".

I'm trying to say lead by example. Don't half ass your work then complain about others work.

The OP made a statement in regards to their build, and then they flamed.... and you approve of this because he was trying to be helpful?

That is not what the OP said happened. I do not approve of anyones behavior. In this scenario.

You don't have to ask a question in order to get advice.

I find people are much more receptive to your advice when they ask for it. I also find angry people don't take advice.

PaquayFeb 8, 20172 votes

Dude, are you delusional or can you just not read?

After they tried to give them build advice, that's when he was telling them to kill themselves. They also continued in post-game chat so yes, they offered advice, then got flamed.

And who ever said anything about them not trying their best? Just because OP said he was going there to have fun doesn't mean he's not trying. When I get frustrated at losing on the Rift, I go have fun in ARAM, and I try my damndest to win every game m even if it's a champ I don't know or suck with. Having fun doesn't mean you aren't trying. They aren't mutually exclusive.

KORGtunersFeb 9, 20171 votes

I get a Galio and Tahm who both build full AP, rage the_ entire _game that we all suck, **and then **tell us all to **"kys" whenever **Lulu and I tried to explain that they both scale better building tank.

Clearly, the flaming started well before offering build advice. Reading is hard.

Went into an ARAM, just trying to have some fun.

See that tricky word I bolded? It means sole intention.

Maybe it was poor wording. However, when I see people say "just having fun" in League, it has meant they are not "try harding".

ModUlanopoFeb 8, 20172 votes

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It doesn't matter much anyways. If you are playing "for fun" then you have no business worrying about other peoples builds. Your "fun" and their "fun" are different.

This.

Telling people how to build or play is always suspect, doubly so in ARAM.

The Great DivideFeb 8, 20171 votes

Again, it wasn't like I was bossing anyone around, or beating a dead horse. I just suggested that building tank might have been better and then gave some reasoning, like how Tahm's damage scales of off health. I wasn't flaming cause they built a certain build (they, however, flamed all game). And I like going off-hand builds in ARAM sometimes as well, so it's not like I'm some desperate tryhard.

I think some are missing the point that this wasn't even about what they were building. It was supposed to be a post about the ridiculousness of bringing up ARAM wins in an argument.

ModUlanopoFeb 8, 20171 votes

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I think some are missing the point that this wasn't even about what they were building. It was supposed to be a post about the ridiculousness of bringing up ARAM wins in an argument.

I will admit I got a chuckle about "only 797 wins in ARAM."

In turn, I think you're missing my point: no matter how correct or well-intentioned, offering advice on how to play or build almost always ends badly. People don't like it. I know I don't and I don't have time to get into a discussion about it with someone I'll probably never see again, especially in ARAM.

The Great DivideFeb 8, 20171 votes

I understand. However, out of all things to take away, I feel like you took away the least egrigious part about me suggesting a build (which I guess was a lot more wrong than I thought...)

Yes, maybe I should have said nothing. Offering advice may be taken poorly, I get that. However, that is no right to flame, be toxic, call everyone bad, and tell people to "kys"

PaquayFeb 8, 20172 votes

Why is offering advice a bad thing? just because many players here cannot receive any level of constructive criticism without turning hostile doesn't mean we shouldn't try and help our fellow teammates.

That you don't like it would suggest to me that you are close-minded on different builds and have a superiority complex. Not saying that is you at all, but generally people who are open to other ideas and suggestions are confident enough with themselves to allow constructive criticism.

I wish there were more people out there that would offer constructive advice in a well-mannered approach during games. I'd be happy as a pig in shit if someone told me "Hey Taric, you should build frozen heart instead of redemption because the extra armor will make you a better tank." I'd either so awesome thanks, or say no that's ok, I'm going with this build.

It's not tough for us to be decent and civil towards each other. We should be able to open ourselves up to constructive criticism and not have simple suggestions or advice frowned upon.

ModUlanopoFeb 8, 20171 votes

That's an awful lot of assumptions.

I don't offer advice very often because people don't want it, especially in ARAM, which is intended to be a casual mode.

I also find that the vast majority of "constructive criticism" is anything but. Like you, I would be grateful as hell if someone said, "Hey Taric, I think one of us needs to get a Frozen Heart. Are you going to pick it up or shall I?" What you see, however, is a lot of bullying and harassment over item choices. I don't generally see much toxicity in my games, even as a support main, but having people try to micromanage my build is often a thing.

In addition, telling people how to play - even gently - often comes across as arrogant and condescending. People who are not me often have different perspectives and less knowledge of my champion. Let's say I'm rushing CDR cap to supercharge my Ardent Censer for objective control on Sona, which is shockingly powerful and difficult to counter. When someone comes along and complains about my build, it's not easy to have much respect for them. This is a considered choice I'm making and I frankly don't have the time, mental bandwidth or the inclination to have the conversation in the middle of a match.

I agree with you that it should be much more commonplace for everyone to be decent with each other, but I don't think expecting people to routinely accept criticism in the middle of a match is a necessary part of that.

PaquayFeb 8, 20172 votes

I will agree as well, that any type of criticism (even constructive) or suggestions as to a play style or build can oftentimes be met with hostility or a negative outlook. I think there's two problems that create this.

Poor choice of delivery. Either through accident or intentionally being a jerk.
Close-mindedness (not sure what else to call it). Basically, the receiver thinks they are right and it's not open for debate. They know better and if someone tells them otherwise, they are going to tear into them.

If we could improve delivery and reception this place would be so much better. Then again, that probably goes for most things. Basically if we didn't have a bunch of "my junk is bigger" types running around, this place would be more awesome. Novel concept, I know. Lol

KORGtunersFeb 9, 20171 votes

Basically, the receiver thinks they are right and it's not open for debate.

Sometimes, it really isn't open for debate. For instance:

Back in Season 1-2 ish, I made an excel spreadsheet that calculated the DPS of some champions with varying runes. Through this math, I found the combination of runes that would give the highest DPS at level 1. There were people that told me my runes were "wrong". "Use these runes because they are the best." "Use these runes because Doublelift does." No thanks, I trust math over your ideas any day, all day.

So 2 issues:

People offering ignorant advice, then getting mad at you because you won't listen.
I don't have time in the middle of a game to explain myself.

So, to relate to your first point about poor delivery; I suggest you phrase your advice in the following way:

I think X is better, **I think **someone needs to build X.

Then drop the subject. Time spent arguing your point is time not spent playing.

AdeBugFeb 8, 20171 votes

what's fun for you may not be fun for others, maybe for the op fun is winning

The Great DivideFeb 9, 20171 votes

Thanks for the support. It's fun to win, but winning shouldn't be the only fun you get out of League.

Regardless, this thread just kind of got out of hand. It was just supposed to express my chuckling at the person using ARAM wins in his insults he was flinging.