I heard something about riot working together with blizzard to better their player behavior policies

y0r1ck·May 2, 2018·8 votes·6,374 views

This was maybe one or two months ago. Does anyone know if it's actually happening or if it was just a fake rumor? I've made my critiques on the IFS before and I can't wait to see what they come up with if they're actually working on it. I gotta say it was really nice to hear that riot was working on their player behavior policies, since it shows that they realize it can be better. And that's an imperative first step to a healthy online gaming environment. It'd be nice if someone could confirm/deny the rumor.

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AccursêdMay 3, 20189 votes

“Any public changes”

If you haven’t noticed there have been an obscene amount of bans lately and I’ve been going up and down the boards looking for someone who actually deserved a permaban, and the only person that deserved a ban at all should’ve gotten a chat ban. Riot and the toddlers that work for them and play their game have decided that constructive criticism is hate speech and a bannable offense. Hilarious.

y0r1ckMay 3, 20185 votes

Do share this source where you found evidence of an obscene amount of recent bans... oh wait... you're forming a misinformed opinion on thousands of bans based off of a few boards posts that may or may not be truthful.

I see. You must be Judge Dredd 2.0, the sole authority on toxicity in LOL and you have the heavy responsibility of judgement.

I'm sad that you've been able to fool others into thinking riot recently made their ifs system worse.

Fpa has nothing to do with the posts about bans. Fair play alliance is an attempt to collaborate and share data between many gaming companies so future player behavior issues are handled organically and efficiently. Riot has not changed their policies since fair play alliance was announced. Fair play alliance is new, riot is still using old player behavior policies that were in effect before fair play alliance. Hopefully that will put a stop to your lies.

AccursêdMay 3, 20187 votes

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Do share this source where you found evidence of an obscene amount of recent bans... oh wait... you're forming a misinformed opinion on thousands of bans based off of a few boards posts that may or may not be truthful.

I see. You must be Judge Dredd 2.0, the sole authority on toxicity in LOL and you have the heavy responsibility of judgement.

I'm sad that you've been able to fool others into thinking riot recently made their ifs system worse.

Fpa has nothing to do with the posts about bans. Fair play alliance is an attempt to collaborate and share data between many gaming companies so future player behavior issues are handled organically and efficiently. Riot has not changed their policies since fair play alliance was announced. Fair play alliance is new, riot is still using old player behavior policies that were in effect before fair play alliance. Hopefully that will put a stop to your lies.

You’re a funny guy, thinking that just because these are only a few bans they don’t matter. If none of these people deserved a permaban, what about the rest? I actually got onto these forums to figure out why my friend got permabanned and honestly what he said was objectively worse than any of these guys and he still shouldn’t be permabanned. Riot and the toddlers that both work for them and report things like this are just a joke.

y0r1ckMay 3, 20182 votes

In response: Strawman. I did not say these bans don't matter. If you look at lulutopsionmid's post, you'll see my comment. I'll paraphrase it here for you;

"Op doesn't deserve a ban, maybe just a chat restriction or warning for excessive chat. It's pathetic that he supposedly got banned for calling someone a child or idiot. Though, I'd still punish the guy because he was annoying and focused on chat instead of gameplay. Focusing on the game is 90% of what I want from teammates.

There are other players here at fault, and riot should look at reports holistically rather than out of context. This way, they'll catch more toxicity and be able to separate cases like this vs a hardcore flamer. I do not believe this guy deserves the same punishment as a hardcore flamer."

I used the ban as an opportunity to speak out against a stupid reason for a ban, and to steer discussion towards what I thought would be a more constructive avenue.

As for the rest of the bans that we know nothing about, I can't speak on them since I don't know anything about them. I can speak on the rules and policies, and I have been for the better part of a year.

Moving forward: Look, I am and have been saying the IFS needs work. Let go of the kneejerk reaction to a few bans and think rationally. We just can't extrapolate 5-10 bans to base judgements on the whole system. First of all, sample size is too small. Second, samples were voluntarily provided by biased participants. Third, we can neither confirm nor deny their validity (though we can work with the hypotheticals that they're true/false. So we should work with the system as a whole. That means attacking policies and techniques, and using bans like the ones you mention to support our claims.

Here's a good way to help, since you obviously care about the system a little. Outline your idea of the pros and cons of the current system, and what you think it should look like if it's to be perfect. Put it in a thread post and I promise I'll come discuss it with you, just link it in a reply to me so I see it. Thanks

AccursêdMay 3, 20181 votes

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In response: Strawman. I did not say these bans don't matter. If you look at lulutopsionmid's post, you'll see my comment. I'll paraphrase it here for you;

"Op doesn't deserve a ban, maybe just a chat restriction or warning for excessive chat. It's pathetic that he supposedly got banned for calling someone a child or idiot. Though, I'd still punish the guy because he was annoying and focused on chat instead of gameplay. Focusing on the game is 90% of what I want from teammates.

There are other players here at fault, and riot should look at reports holistically rather than out of context. This way, they'll catch more toxicity and be able to separate cases like this vs a hardcore flamer. I do not believe this guy deserves the same punishment as a hardcore flamer."

I used the ban as an opportunity to speak out against a stupid reason for a ban, and to steer discussion towards what I thought would be a more constructive avenue.

As for the rest of the bans that we know nothing about, I can't speak on them since I don't know anything about them. I can speak on the rules and policies, and I have been for the better part of a year.

Moving forward: Look, I am and have been saying the IFS needs work. Let go of the kneejerk reaction to a few bans and think rationally. We just can't extrapolate 5-10 bans to base judgements on the whole system. First of all, sample size is too small. Second, samples were voluntarily provided by biased participants. Third, we can neither confirm nor deny their validity (though we can work with the hypotheticals that they're true/false. So we should work with the system as a whole. That means attacking policies and techniques, and using bans like the ones you mention to support our claims.

Here's a good way to help, since you obviously care about the system a little. Outline your idea of the pros and cons of the current system, and what you think it should look like if it's to be perfect. Put it in a thread post and I promise I'll come discuss it with you, just link it in a reply to me so I see it. Thanks

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/A3OkIut1-reform-the-ban-system

KarunamonMay 2, 20184 votes

Yup, that's the fair play alliance. It's very new and was announced only a few weeks ago.

y0r1ckMay 2, 20181 votes

"investigate the underlying issues behind toxic online behavior" Great news, thanks for confirming.

FatedDarklyMay 2, 20185 votes

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Yup, that's the fair play alliance. It's very new and was announced only a few weeks ago.

I guess then you would agree that they should start here https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/EjOPu8hF-i-believe-my-14-day-ban-was-erroneously-given so that they could watch the video and see that their teammates are being children and the op calls them a child LOLOL What a concept, act childish, be called a child, be emotional about it, get someone a 14-day ban for them calling you a child, feel like you're right and justified and that this system was designed to promote negative behavior. If they have to find a new way to deal with player behavior than they know the current system is broken. Broken IFS, Broken Community.

KarunamonMay 3, 20184 votes

so that they could watch the video and see that their teammates are being children and the op calls them a child LOLOL What a concept, act childish, be called a child

I'm really tired of restating the rules in my own words today, given that the player in question was calling their teammates "idiots" and "children", so I'm just going to quote from the support page and tell you that you either follow them like you agreed to, or find another game to play.

WHY WAS I PUNISHED WHEN THE OTHER PERSON WAS WORSE OR STARTED IT!

Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.

WHAT CAN I DO TO IMPROVE OR REFORM?

Adhering to the Summoner's Code in every game you play is the best way to enjoy League of Legends and create a positive experience for other Summoners in your game. If you do not respond to any negativity and only chat constructively in game, you will not be punished by the Instant Feedback System.

(emphasis mine)

JusticeReignsMay 3, 20185 votes

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I'm really tired of restating the rules in my own words today, given that the player in question was calling their teammates "idiots" and "children", so I'm just going to quote from the support page and tell you that you either follow them like you agreed to, or find another game to play. Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on. Adhering to the Summoner's Code in every game you play is the best way to enjoy League of Legends and create a positive experience for other Summoners in your game. If you do not respond to any negativity and only chat constructively in game, you will not be punished by the Instant Feedback System.

(emphasis mine)

When saying idiots apart of a sentence not directed at any individual, and calling a person a child once is a bannable offense, we see the beginning of the slow death of an overly sensitized overly auto-moderated game. It was nice knowing you league of legends.

ChermorgMay 3, 20182 votes

Context is key within a sentence. That player was obviously harassing their teammates. It was targeted, even if the sentence was not.

We've been seeing this death since season 3. Either it's slower than any other game death, or it doesn't actually exist. But keep saying the game is dying if it makes you feel better.

I won't deny the IFS needs improvement, and like OP, I'm glad game companies are teaming up to combat toxicity. That thread is not an improvement to be made however.

FatedDarklyMay 3, 20185 votes

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Context is key within a sentence. That player was obviously harassing their teammates. It was targeted, even if the sentence was not.

I dont think you see what normal people see. Its clear to see, by reading the text or watching the video, that the person is being constantly harassed and taking the time to explain their theory crafting despite how belligerent the surrounding players are being to them. Answering questions and explaining your position is communication, not an argument.

KarunamonMay 3, 20181 votes

"Idiots" and "children" is not communication, it is flame. Once you step to base namecalling, regardless of how true you think it might be, productive communication ceases.

JusticeReignsMay 3, 20185 votes

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"Idiots" and "children" is not communication, it is flame. Once you step to base namecalling, regardless of how true you think it might be, productive communication ceases.

Why that kinda sounds smart we can see by the video and the log that that was all said exactly at the point where he chooses to mute the player who has been harassing them all game, the same player who refused to participate in constructive dialogue and simply said that everything the player was doing was bad and wrong instead of taking the time to open themselves to the possibility that this was a different strategy they had not tried before and they simply rejected it immediately just because they had never seen it before. I see so many posts in these forums this week where the same kind of player has revealed themselves over and over to be that kind of player, which is the most useless player in the community because they completely destroy and reject any attempt to play the game any different because of their explicit hate of trying anything different than what they've already done.

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Watch a little bit more, you'll see him start to toss blame at his adc when shit hits the fan.

You mean he tosses blame to the adc after his other allies are harassing him and basically saying everything is wrong and his fault even though its clear that the adc was not playing in a matter that would of let them both live longer, i.e. not pushing the lane like crazy and accepting heals That Keep Them From Dieing? That is the adcs fault, what is up for debate?

However i enjoy the intelligence of the post after so I gave it a plus 1. :>

KarunamonMay 3, 20182 votes

At the risk of sounding like a dick, this is a lot of rationalization for what amounts to a very clean cut enforcement of a very clean cut rule.

Calling other people idiots and children is not acceptable in game. Period. End of story.

I don't care and Riot doesn't care if the ADC was Tyler freaking 1 at his worst. Calling other people idiots and children is not acceptable in game
I don't care and Riot doesn't care if he was literally running it down mid with an inventory full of six tears. Calling other people idiots and children is not acceptable in game
I don't care and Riot doesn't care if he was being "constantly harassed", since the solution to verbal harassment is to click the button that makes further verbal harassment impossible. Counter flaming back, perhaps by calling other people idiots and children, is not acceptable in game
I don't care and Riot doesn't care what that other player said or did, because nothing they can say or do changes the fact that calling other people idiots and children is not acceptable in game.

This is the beginning and end of the reasoning for the ban. The player in question had just gotten off of a 2 week ban, and was told that their next punishment for any reason would be a perma. They got punished for their own misbehavior and now are permabanned.

What's the problem here?

FatedDarklyMay 3, 20185 votes

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At the risk of sounding like a dick, this is a lot of tl;dr rationalization for what amounts to a very clean cut enforcement of a very clean cut rule.

Calling other people idiots and children is not acceptable in game

for any reason. Period.

If you call someone a child you should be banned, got it.

KarunamonMay 3, 20182 votes

If you continue to do so after being told that it's unacceptable (as the player in question was, three times), yes. You absolutely should be banned.

Namecalling and insults are against the rules you agree to in order to play here.

"Children" and "idiots" counts as namecalling and insults.

Violating the rules repeatedly results in a ban.

Any questions?

SyraKenMay 3, 20185 votes

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If you continue to do so after being told that it's unacceptable (as the player in question was, three times), yes. You absolutely should be banned.

Namecalling and insults are not allowed.

"Children" and "idiots" counts as namecalling and insults.

Any questions?

Was the player in question chat restricted for calling someone a child before? Or are you spouting nonsense.

KarunamonMay 3, 20181 votes

They were sanctioned for toxic chat three separate times. It goes 10 game chat restrict, 25 game chat restrict, 2 week ban, permaban. They had just finished serving a 2 week ban.

There's not a running total here dude, it's either you break the rules or you don't.

AccursêdMay 8, 20181 votes

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At the risk of sounding like a dick, this is a lot of rationalization for what amounts to a very clean cut enforcement of a very clean cut rule.

Calling other people idiots and children is not acceptable in game. Period. End of story.

I don't care and Riot doesn't care if the ADC was Tyler freaking 1 at his worst. Calling other people idiots and children is not acceptable in game

I don't care and Riot doesn't care if he was literally running it down mid with an inventory full of six tears. Calling other people idiots and children is not acceptable in game

I don't care and Riot doesn't care if he was being "constantly harassed", since the solution to verbal harassment is to click the button that makes further verbal harassment impossible. Counter flaming back, perhaps by calling other people idiots and children, is not acceptable in game

I don't care and Riot doesn't care what that other player said or did, because nothing they can say or do changes the fact that calling other people idiots and children is not acceptable in game.

This is the beginning and end of the reasoning for the ban. The player in question had just gotten off of a 2 week ban, and was told that their next punishment for any reason would be a perma. They got punished for their own misbehavior and now are permabanned.

What's the problem here?

The problem is that Riot doesn’t care and that those are punishable offenses in the first place

KarunamonMay 8, 20181 votes

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The problem is that Riot doesn’t care and that those are punishable offenses in the first place

You're more than welcome to go play another game where calling people idiots and children is acceptable.

AccursêdMay 9, 20181 votes

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You're more than welcome to go play another game where calling people idiots and children is acceptable.

Literally give me any game where the average age of a player is 26 or older and I guarantee you wouldn’t even be looked at for a ban

KarunamonMay 9, 20181 votes

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Literally give me any game where the average age of a player is 26 or older and I guarantee you wouldn’t even be looked at for a ban

It's not like grown-ass adults want to put up with that shit either.

AccursêdMay 9, 20181 votes

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It's not like grown-ass adults want to put up with that shit either.

Except most of this "shit" is being called out for the dumb shit that YOU AS A PLAYER DID, or being called something like an idiot or a child. Neither of those should even be considered to be bannable, and if you can't laugh at terms as tame as those, then you were raised wrong and you are part of the problem plaguing league right now, and good job giving me an answer, because you confirmed what I had said by avoiding doing so.

KarunamonMay 9, 20181 votes

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Neither of those should even be considered to be bannable

None of that stuff is going to help someone win. None of your "calling out" is anything other than tilt-bait.

DOTA is down the hall to your left for all your player-shaming needs.

y0r1ckMay 3, 20181 votes

You know what chermog, usually we're on opposite ends of debates like this, but I'm siding with the mods this time. I don't give a fuck if he calls someone a child or an idiot, that's extremely minor and banning someone on that basis is nitpicking. But stopping play that often to argue pointlessly and endlessly is borderline harassment and griefing.

Disregard any prior punishment, do you think a punishment is warranted for calling someone a child or idiot? Do you think constant arguing (constructively to defend yourself) is worthy of a punishment? If you answered yes to either of those questions, how severely should we punish a player for those infractions?

Beyond that, if we look at the context, we can clearly see that other players in the game are harassing lulutopsionmid. Should riot check everyone's chat in a reported game, or just the person who got reported? And if riot looks at reports holistically rather than out of context, should riot still lump all disruptive players into the same category? Should lulutopsionmid get the same punishment as sionmidlulutop, who flamed his adc all game long for dying at level 2?

Eagerly awaiting your opinion. We've discussed similar topics hypothetically, but with the fair play alliance website and this new ban fiasco there's more meat to play with than ever before.

y0r1ckMay 3, 20182 votes

Don't hang your dirty laundry in my thread.

That said, I do believe the behavior I saw in that chat log isn't good. Personally I wouldn't ban you for that, since I can clearly see you were defending yourself and just got frustrated when your teammates were stubborn morons. Though, I still think you spent far too much time arguing. I'd have just given you a warning, telling you to argue less. If you kept arguing constantly in several games I'd mute you.

I really don't think you deserved a ban, but I do think that you displayed undesirable behavior.

I think they should start by honestly listing pros and cons of the current system. If that's what you meant, then yes we agree.

y0r1ckMay 3, 20182 votes

Just watched the video. Lulutopsionmid is disruptive and annoying. It has nothing to do with idiot or child. He's just tilted by teammates and getting camped and taking it out on his adc.

KiyoYoshimaruMay 3, 20185 votes

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Just watched the video. Lulutopsionmid is disruptive and annoying. It has nothing to do with idiot or child. He's just tilted by teammates and getting camped and taking it out on his adc.

Must have watched the wrong video. Varus stands at about 100 health right infront of the enemy for like 5 minutes mindlessly autoing minions and pushing the way, setting up for the inevittle forced feeding scenario, while the support, which is the Swain, is asking them to let them last hit the minion instead so they can give them heal, obviously so they dont die to the people right infront of them. He asked the Varus twice, then asked no more. Basic communication. You do not ban for communication. You are wrong.

y0r1ckMay 3, 20181 votes

Watch a little bit more, you'll see him start to toss blame at his adc when shit hits the fan.

SyraKenMay 3, 20185 votes

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Just watched the video. Lulutopsionmid is disruptive and annoying. It has nothing to do with idiot or child. He's just tilted by teammates and getting camped and taking it out on his adc.

It was already stated in the shared riot chat picture that calling someone utterly foolish, senseless, or a child was deemed the punishable offence, AS INSANE AS THAT IS.

y0r1ckMay 3, 20186 votes

Alright let's set this straight. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough about my opinion.

Lulutopsionmid does not deserve a ban for calling someone just a child or an idiot. That's extremely nitpicky and frankly pathetic.

Lulutopsionmid does not deserve a ban for excessive and unnecessary use of chat.

Lulutopsionmid does deserve a warning or chat restriction for excessive use of chat, borderline harassment, and spamming. It's mild, I could see him getting off with a warning.

There were other players in this game who were also disruptive. Riot should look at reports holistically and determine punishments and rewards based on the context of the game. For example, let's say I flamed and i got reported. Riot should look and see that hey there were two other people on my team flaming me, riot should punish all three of us. Riot should reward players in that game who did not give in to the disruptive environment and continued to be sportsmanlike.

Different kinds of infractions should be treated differently. Lulutopsionmid should not be given the same punishment as someone who was hardcore flaming.

I'm sure there's so many more improvements that can be made. We just have to admit as a community that the IFS needs improvement, so that we can move on to brainstorming ideas to make it better. I've been trying to tell people the IFS sucks for the better part of a year now. I'm glad it's finally getting more attention.

KilanostMay 3, 20184 votes

So this explains why I am seeing a ton of permabans going out to people on the boards for things that never used to even pull a slap on the wrist. I love it. Now you'll be able to say "dude if you don't chill out I'm going to report you" and actually see the person respond instead of troll and flame harder.

y0r1ckMay 3, 20182 votes

No it has nothing to do with the posts about bans. Fair play alliance is an attempt to collaborate and share data between many gaming companies so future player behavior issues are handled organically and efficiently. Riot has not changed their policies since fair play alliance was announced. Fair play alliance is new, riot is still using old player behavior policies that were in effect before fair play alliance.

KilanostMay 3, 20182 votes

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No it has nothing to do with the posts about bans. Fair play alliance is an attempt to collaborate and share data between many gaming companies so future player behavior issues are handled organically and efficiently. Riot has not changed their policies since fair play alliance was announced. Fair play alliance is new, riot is still using old player behavior policies that were in effect before fair play alliance.

policy and enforcement are two separate animals. they may have gone to fair play and seen data that showed them its in their best interest to aggressively enforce their rules and decided to increase enforcement. Its the same as if, for instance, a cop gets killed when he stops to pull someone by another driver who is speeding. The laws stay the same, but you know the police in that area will be handing out more traffic tickets.

y0r1ckMay 3, 20181 votes

But nothing has changed. If you want, use statistics to show that 95% of the time there are not this many ban posts on boards. That will mean that it's more likely something has changed. If you or anyone actually uses logic or facts to show beyond reasonable doubt that riot has changed either their policies or enforcement, I'd happily admit you're right I'm wrong and the discussion will change.

As for your analogy. That seems possible, but not the only option. Perhaps police would change their protocol to ensure a more safe environment during stops. I agree that handing out more tickets also seems reasonable.

However and this is the kicker, we don't know what happened at Fair Play Alliance yet. Were you there? I sure as hell wasn't. Yes, they may have realized they needed to be more strict, or maybe they realized they needed to be less strict. Making assumptions based on a handful of posts is not something I want to get into.

I think right now it's more constructive if we honestly discuss the pros and cons of what we have now, to pave the way for a discussion about reworking the IFS later. Let's figure out what's good/bad and what we want, instead of saying riot may be doing things we don't like (or if you do say that, then provide some proof beyond a trend with a handful of points). Thanks

KilanostMay 3, 20181 votes

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But nothing has changed. If you want, use statistics to show that 95% of the time there are not this many ban posts on boards. That will mean that it's more likely something has changed. If you or anyone actually uses logic or facts to show beyond reasonable doubt that riot has changed either their policies or enforcement, I'd happily admit you're right I'm wrong and the discussion will change.

As for your analogy. That seems possible, but not the only option. Perhaps police would change their protocol to ensure a more safe environment during stops. I agree that handing out more tickets also seems reasonable.

However and this is the kicker, we don't know what happened at Fair Play Alliance yet. Were you there? I sure as hell wasn't. Yes, they may have realized they needed to be more strict, or maybe they realized they needed to be less strict. Making assumptions based on a handful of posts is not something I want to get into.

I think right now it's more constructive if we honestly discuss the pros and cons of what we have now, to pave the way for a discussion about reworking the IFS later. Let's figure out what's good/bad and what we want, instead of saying riot may be doing things we don't like (or if you do say that, then provide some proof beyond a trend with a handful of points). Thanks

I'm not complaining about more enforcement, I think its a good thing. Having a hypothesis as to what is going on behind the scenes doesn't hurt anyone. I don't need to be there to know that if people said the things they say in league in the chat of any blizzard game, half of league would be banned. Blizzard has 20 years of data and experience in moderating player behavior and has come to a low tolerance, high consequence policy because they've found it works and doesn't affect the player base once every understands that they'll pull a ban if they conduct themselves poorly. I'm sure this data was shared and its not unreasonable to presume that Riot would want to act on it after hearing that its been successful for another large gaming company. At the very least, the likelihood of something like this having happened should have people changing their behavior in the here and now which is why it is very relevant. You don't want to presume this isn't happening and not tailor your behavior to suit the potential of increased enforcement and consequences. The cost of assuming i'm right is you don't get the pleasure of flaming people in game. The cost of assuming I'm wrong is that you pull a ban for something that you didn't think would get you banned.

Ultimately, i'm not concerned with what our take on the pros and cons of this system are if another company has actual data showing its effective.

y0r1ckMay 3, 20181 votes

Sorry I misunderstood. Though the point is the same whether we assume they're doing things we like, or don't like. We don't know for sure, so all we can do is critique the policies we 100% know about.

I agree that having a hypothesis doesn't hurt, and your logic with blizzard makes sense. Though I still think we should not say riot has changed enforcement or policies, until we know beyond reasonable doubt. It's also reasonable that many game companies presented evidence that zero tolerance policies don't work, and riot decided to change their stance on zero tolerance.

The cost of an assumption doesn't make you right or wrong. Like you said, it just means people have the option to lean to the side of caution, which was always there.

Ultimately, I want to improve the IFS. To do that we need to know what's working and what isn't, so we can improve the good and cut the bad. Besides, what worked for blizzard may or may not work for RIOT. Thanks

ArammusMay 2, 20182 votes

nice idea, but a bit pointless. more and more posts appear where ppl complain about the broken IFS. so yea

y0r1ckMay 2, 20181 votes

I think it's the opposite of pointless. It shows that riot thinks there's room to improve in the player behavior department and that's the most important thing we as players can ask for. The only way IFS will improve if riot agrees it's not perfect.

ArammusMay 3, 20182 votes

fair point if you look at it from this way. nothing to say against that

AccursêdMay 3, 20186 votes

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I think it's the opposite of pointless. It shows that riot thinks there's room to improve in the player behavior department and that's the most important thing we as players can ask for. The only way IFS will improve if riot agrees it's not perfect.

Except they’ve made their system exponentially worse if you look at some of the bans posted on the boards, I just went through about 6 permabans and none of them were justified, the most that should’ve been dealt out was a chat ban to one of them

Sir PrepuziusMay 3, 20182 votes

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Except they’ve made their system exponentially worse if you look at some of the bans posted on the boards, I just went through about 6 permabans and none of them were justified, the most that should’ve been dealt out was a chat ban to one of them

i guess you need another 6 permabans and maybe you'll notice you should drop your attitude or, you can keep being toxic playing the same 3 champs with other lv10, if that suits you

AccursêdMay 3, 20187 votes

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i guess you need another 6 permabans and maybe you'll notice you should drop your attitude or, you can keep being toxic playing the same 3 champs with other lv10, if that suits you

If you’d like to read instead of pulling information that seems useful to you, they weren’t my accounts. I was going through permaban posts on the boards trying to find one that actually deserved getting that punishment, nice try though.

Sir PrepuziusMay 4, 20181 votes

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If you’d like to read instead of pulling information that seems useful to you, they weren’t my accounts. I was going through permaban posts on the boards trying to find one that actually deserved getting that punishment, nice try though.

fair enough, i misread ;)

remakoroMay 3, 20182 votes

Two companies with the most retarted player behavior policies working together to come up with something even more moronic. Oh. what a time to be alive.

y0r1ckMay 3, 20182 votes

Around 30* companies

BobaFlautistMay 3, 20181 votes

Honestly, while there's plenty of room for improvement, I think Riot easily leads the industry in terms of managing player behavior on a large scale.

Scary DoorMay 8, 20181 votes

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Honestly, while there's plenty of room for improvement, I think Riot easily leads the industry in terms of managing player behavior on a large scale.

Explain to me how they "manage" behavior?

Oh, by permabanning accounts? Yep, that sure solves the problem; I mean if you completely ignore the fact that people can just make a new account, buy an account or use another existing 'smurf' account then sure, they do a great job!

League has the (deserved) reputation for having one of the worst communities and that hasn't changed over the last several years.

In my experience, player behavior has worsened nearly every year.

But yeah, if you ignore all of the above then, sure, they're doing great! A real trail-blazer!