PSA: "wtf rito u cant ban me i has mah FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!1!1!1!2!2!2!!!"

Astôlfo··56 votes·2,546 views

First of all, legal freedom of speech doesn't even apply to this. That solely applies to the government, to which it states they cannot prosecute you or try to punish you for speaking out against the government. (Outside of slander and libel which would be illegal as it falls under defamation.)

Second of all, social freedom of speech is just that. Freedom of speech. It's not "Freedom to be an Asshole". It is also not "Freedom from Consequences of Speech".

So before you start trying to scream at Riot that it's illegal for them to ban you and that you're going to sue them, please actually learn what you're talking about. Or, don't. Seeing trolls try to use this excuse is always a good laugh.

39 Comments

Hatless Casual14 votes

"Your rights end where another person's begins"

That's how my civics teacher explained how it works.

Crungus10 votes

Tumblr: YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE MY FEELINGS BEGIN!

Edit: I bet the SJW Femnazi army is going to downvote me for being the foul cis scum that I am.

Kappa

HeadHonchkrow3 votes

pretty much sums tumblr up

Xenohaz7 votes

I don't usually like xkcd, but this comic does a good job of summarizing:

https://xkcd.com/1357/

Zerfallen1 votes

So very appropriate that I might actually keep the link for later use.

Tribbles Foxfolk6 votes

Freedom of Speech doesn't even apply anyway. Terms of Service basically say that by playing League of Legends, you agree that Riot can pretty much do whatever they want to your account because it's still THEIR game.

Astôlfo5 votes

Doesn't stop people from trying to use it in their arguments xD

RedTao3 votes

I have no issues if they say my speech is offensive. I just have yet to hear an explination other than "It just is" or "you're too dumb to understand" If I can understand why my speech is toxic to other people that actually makes sense, then I have no issues with adjusting.

BurnSnake1 votes

{quoted}

I have no issues if they say my speech is offensive. I just have yet to hear an explination other than "It just is" or "you're too dumb to understand" If I can understand why my speech is toxic to other people that actually makes sense, then I have no issues with adjusting.

This actually makes sense (i hope).

Troll for Trump1 votes

Love how your post gets downvoted for no reason..

RedTao1 votes

That always seems to be the care in the Behavioral Boards. If you're not on Riots side, you get downvoted to hell. Not that it matters. Those people just dont have any relevant opinions to make so downvoting is all they can do.

RedTao1 votes

Sorry your response got downvoted. I have people who like to follow my comments and downvote anyone who's not outright saying i'm toxic piece of crap.

TrulyBland2 votes

Depends on what kind of an "explanation" you want... If you ask "but why is that offensive?" often enough it always comes down to empathy. Sure, there are explicit rules (racist / homophobic / sexist slurs are an example of specific words you shouldn't say), that can be explained with historical meanings of words or social ideals... but ultimately it comes down to this:

Try to see what you write from a perspective that is different from your own. Estimate the consequences not only for you, but for others, should you say what you say.

And that's nothing that can be explained explicitely, it's something that parents should teach their kids while they still have an easy time learning implicitely.

RedTao1 votes

Thats the issue, I've already looked at it from an outside perspective. Even to that extent I don't see why people would be offended by what I say or what would prohibit them from using the mute button if they were so distracted by my comments. Considering how I was acting to flamers before ("Defending myself") why would players that have no issues with telling me I suck through the majority of the game have issues with me agreeing with them? It's hypocritical and sets a double standard.

What someone says about themselves is their business. If it's not my business, why should I care? If someone's "beating themselves up", that's their business, even so there would be nothing preventing me from going somewhere else (Or using the mute button). Their turmoil/problems/pain is their problem, it's not my job to feel them for them. Even in my job as a medic, while you dont do more harm than good, pain is the patients problem.

In that sense, why should something someone says about themselves make me or other people feel bad? It has nothing to do with me or others except for that person. If someone likes to go through the game telling me I suck, kudos to them. It's not going to make me play any better. At least by agreeing with them that I suck it presents the possibility that they'll shut up about it. I dont even see how it would discourage the team to say that I suck and apoligize for it. The statement is true so it cant be negative. My sucking at the game would be more a reason that people would be discouraged than my actually saying it. Why else would the people I keep getting in games keep saying that I suck otherwise? Why would people keep threatening to report if I don't stop feeding (Never intentional, regardless what people say), to make me miraculously get good? Since these people don't get banned for saying these things about other people considering these would be considered verbal attacks against other players, why should I be banned for something I say about myself that has nothing to do with anyone else, agrees with what they're saying about me, and gives no reason for other people to feel offended or attacked?

You can read the logs, every time I say I cant do something, it's always followed by me saying I suck. Every time I say I cant do something in that match, I got threats of getting reported if I don't do it. So I go ahead and do it and fail at the task they give me. When they ask why I did it or failed at it, they made it clear that the reasoning I gave prior was not sufficient. Saying I suck is the only thing that people seem to want to accept considering they don't keep asking questions they already know the answer to after I say I suck.

TrulyBland2 votes

Okay, had to search through your profile a bit to find the logs in question...

I also see that a lot of people already explained to you that your negative attitude is harming the morale of your team. It's not so much what you say about yourself, but what you say about your team and the game in terms of winnability. It's also a bit weird to see how much you type about how you suck at the game. You will absolutely not stop talking about how much you are sucking and are inevitably dragging everybody that is not muting you down. And forcing your teammates to mute you is never a good idea. It's the reason why relentless spamming of emotes or chat (even upon being asked to stop by your teammates) can be punishable in extreme cases.

And that analogy goes further: You have been asked to stop in the form of your punishments. You have been informed that your negative attitude is considered a mild form of toxicity. If you want to understand why it is, that's awesome, really... but it's also not necessary. As all of this is, as said, about empathy, and people are directly telling you, what they feel about what you say, there's no need for you to understand this is some kind of abstract way... but actually let me try:

All of what you are saying mostly revolves around one argument:

If someone's "beating themselves up", that's their business

why should I be banned for something I say about myself that has nothing to do with anyone else

why should something someone says about themselves make me or other people feel bad

This is a teamgame. You are part of the team. And even if that may not be understandable to you, but if you are attacking yourself, you are attacking the team. What you say about yourself, you say about a member of the team. And in that sense, what you have to say about yourself, has a lot to do with other people.

There's also the bit about how "Their turmoil/problems/pain is their problem" which kind of suggests that all this typing from my side is moot, since it sounds like even if I manage to explain to you why what you say negatively affects other people, you seem to have already decided that you don't care. That's not inherently wrong, or bad, or anything... but it's simply not going to work in a teamgame.

RedTao1 votes

People have told me that my behavior is negative but they have yet to explain why when I've already shown my thinking that if something is the way it is then there's nothing positive or negative about it. It is what it is. Why this would harm the morale of the team, I dont know. In the logs the majority of the things said had little to nothing to do with the team. Considering the majority of the comments were proven facts (My crap playing ability, jungler only coming when it suits them, team voting no in surrender when the enemy had lost no tower, had 3 times our kills and we were pushed back to inhibs, etc) I still dont see how anything I had said was negative. They were all true, so there was nothing positive or negative about it. Much like saying someone's kid got accepted into Harvord or someone was suffering spousal abuse, there's nothing positive or negative in either statement. It is what it is.

If I say that Jungler is not coming until it suits him, it's because it's true. Everyone has those games where jungler never leaves jungle, you see it everywhere in the boards when jungler is involved. If I say I can't do something or can't help because I can't do something or I suck to badly to do it, it's because it's true. 4k+ games played and lost more than half that number while being stuck in bronze 5 for 3 years is more than sufficient evidence to support this. If I say team won't surrender it's because they keep telling me to stop putting in surrender vote, have 1/3 the kills the enemy has, enemy is mostly fully built while we're still trying to build our 3rd/4th item, took no towers and currently pushed to our inhibs. Again, there's nothing positive or negative about these statements. It's all true and what they are.

The major reason why I say I suck at the game is because there's no point in defending that im not. Wobbly Jibbler made that clear when I got my chat restrictions. So if defending myself is out of the question, i'm going to own up to it. It's what Riot wants to see after all. So every time I die I would apoligize and explain that I suck. I would do this every time I make a mistake because this is what Wobbly Jibbler gave me the impression that this is what he wants me to do. Everyone always seems to want some sort of explination when something doesn't go the way they want and I provide it to them. "Why are you not under tower?" "I am. Their teemo is poking me under tower and I'm dying under tower" "No you're not, why are you not under tower?" ".... Sorry, I suck". It's this scenario over and over again. Only when I say that I suck do they stop asking me the same questions over and over again. It's the only thing they want to hear from me. So if saying I suck is the only thing people want to hear from me, I will so as many times I need to. I've already stated my view on how this should have no reason to drag the team down. The statements I made in chat were all true, so there's no negativity in it. If there's no negativity in it, why should they feel 'dragged down'? I'm the one that sucks, not them. Im the one dying repeatedly, not them. I'm the main reason we're losing the game, not them. Why are they feeling dragged down when everything I said was true and had little to nothing to do with them?

At no point was I forcing them to mute me. If they feel offended by the comments I've made (Dont see how) they're certainly free to mute me. If they don't use it and let themselves be distracted by my comments, that's on them. I'm not forcing them to read my comments or feel however they want to feel over my comments (Especially since my comments had little to nothing to do with them). I cant force people to do anything in this game. Riot makes that clear every time they tell you not to defend yourself. My previous punishments were the result of defending myself against people telling me I suck. I've been before that it's not my job to defend myself so that was why I got the chat restrictions. Since it's not my job to defend myself, I may as well own up to the fact that I suck. This is what Riot wants to see by saying it's not my job to defend myself. So now I have a ban that was the result of adopting the behavior that Riot wanted me to have by not defending myself. If I'm not supposed to defend myself and i'm not supposed to own up that I suck, then what do they want? To stop using chat? I've already asked to get chat removed or put me in perma chat lock if people were having such issues with me talking but they say that "Chat's an integral part of the game and cannot be altered"... So they dont want me to defend myself, they dont want me to own up to it and they dont want me to stop talking... So if they don't want these things, what do they want? 'To stop being toxic'? I wasn't trying to be to begin with. So if noone's going to tell me how any of my behaviors are toxic and against the rules already put down, how does anyone expect me to know what 'not being toxic' is? I cant even not talk because I still get the notification that I've been reported. So not talking does not get rid of the problem.

So if i'm doing everything Riot was telling me to do and it still results in me getting punished, then where's the problem? My line of thinking leads me to the players. Much like in the logs, little to nothing was said about them. I'm not offending myself from what I've been saying about myself, so why are they getting offended?

I get that it's a teamgame and that I'm part of that team, but if I dont tell my team that I suck at this game, they're not going to make any preparations to do anything about it. Whether it's leaving lobby to find team that doesn't suck or make plans so they can help me when needed, they have the right to know. I'm part of the team, I'm also the weakest link in almost every game. How does the team expect me to be of any help if, left on my own, I end up failing the team? I have 4k games played and lost more than half of them. It's the same case almost always every time so no amount of 'every game is different' makes any difference there.

The bit about 'what they say about themselves is their problem is true. Because while people see me typing as me beating myself up, I just see it as stating the facts. I'm not being negative about myself, im stating the facts and apoligizing for it. It's not harming me, why should it harm anyone else? Im not feeling depressed, turmoil or pain. Why would your 'empathy' imagine a feeling that's not there? Because of the way it looks? I've certainly had my share of people asking if I was retarded, autistic, stupid, depressed, emo, adopted, the list goes on. I used to say no to them but apperantly this fits in the parameters of defending yourself. So I do nothing but agree with them now because that's the only thing Riot wants to see from me. Does it matter if it's true? Of course not. The only thing that matters is that i'm not defending myself.

So saying your opinion is moot is not the issue at all here. You're at least making the effort to help me out with trying to understand this rather than saying 'it just is' or 'you're too stupid to understand. Don't think that I dont value people's opinion just because most people seem to think that. They're not me so their assumptions don't mean anything since they don't bother to make the effort to help someone to begin with. My issue is I don't know what it is people are getting offended over or why. People who tried to give explinations rarely make the effort to defend their points and just summerize it as me not caring or being too stupid to figure it out. If I'm stupid in this regard, then help me understand. Otherwise I'll be doing this for another 3 years with no reason to stop since there was no reason why it would wrong to do this to begin with.

Denavai2 votes

Post the chat chop they emailed you for that.

Penns3 votes

These posts seem so upvote- farm....y lel. No one that complains about "freedom of speech" in a game reads this board anyway.

Zerfallen15 votes

Quite a few of the people, who come here trying to contest their punishment, love to bring up freedom of speech as their defense.

Penns4 votes

I didnt deny that, but these people most likely arent gonna read threads like this one.

Zerfallen8 votes

They probably wouldn't read it.

Unfortunately.

(Also, I wasn't trying to say you were "denying" anything, I was just giving my thoughts on topic)

shyv1 votes

penns is a troll btw lol

no point in arguing with him. only reason he comes on the boards is to start fights. just ignore him. you'll get used to it.

MasterSomething2 votes

...You just like seeing selective words in all posts, don't you?

alfavhunter3 votes

Freedom of speech is not the freedom to verbally (or typing) attack someone with the intent of harming rhen in a mental, emotional, economical, or social (thier relationship with their peers and others) way.

The next time you think of doing something g like this, just remember your words could be the last straw of that person giving up on life or letting out thier frustration in a very violent way because video games are supposed to be and act as many peoples escape from the stresses of reality and if thier "relaxe" environment is now also hostile it can create a lot more mental and emotional stress to where they do something that everyone will come to regret

So here's a question for you to all think about

Who is to blaim? The person who killed a man or the people who drove him to it? The answer is BOTH

MegaSpire2 votes

its a global game, and it is as simple as that. global laws

Astôlfo5 votes

Yeah, except that's not how the law you're trying to argue about even works.

Guy Fox Teemo2 votes

or freedom of speech doesn't even apply to lol, as you.

1: Do not own your account, the account is riots 2: everything on yoru account is Riots. 3: Not even the skins or any money spent is yours anymore, Riot simply provides you permission to borrow one of there accounts.

Read the TOS.

J E B A ł T E D2 votes

Nobody has said this in an eon, and anybody who isn't aware of the basic rules of League (all you need is common sense) already is extremely naive and threads like these won't help them.

Quit bringing up issues that don't exist just to get attention. A PSA isn't a service to a bunch of people who already know what you're trying to portray.

Steven Mcburn1 votes

This guy and one other guy have spent the last week or so trying to upvote farm for some reason.

It's really easy to go into this subforum and say something like "lol dumb troll u got no rites" and just get loads of upvotes where half the replies are just pointless stories about in game things that just happened to them.

I mean, does this post really need to exist? If there's such a sudden burst of "LOL 1st AMENDMENT U CANT DO NOFFIN TO ME" why not just reply to their post? Sensationalism is getting upvotes because this is the dullest subsection, eventually after they get front paged a few times maybe more people will realize what's going on and downvote.

I mean, honestly, if this guy hasn't been punished in game when his post history has him repeatedly using phrases like "circle jerk" and "retard" I'd be utterly shocked. At least this subsection gets it's heroes right though.

J E B A ł T E D1 votes

Reminds me of every time I check Twitter, facebook and instagram. Just a bunch of naive shit that has no application in real life.

This is why I don't openly use social media and I don't read half the shit on the front pages. Thread starters like these hardly ever have benefits to the general pop and seem to just be here to do the opposite.

Gabreilstormrage2 votes

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First of all, legal freedom of speech doesn't even apply to this. That solely applies to the government, to which it states they cannot prosecute you or try to punish you for speaking out against the government. (Outside of slander and libel which would be illegal as it falls under defamation.)

Second of all, social freedom of speech is just that. Freedom of speech. It's not "Freedom to be an Asshole". It is also not "Freedom from Consequences of Speech".

So before you start trying to scream at Riot that it's illegal for them to ban you and that you're going to sue them, please actually learn what you're talking about. Or, don't. Seeing trolls try to use this excuse is always a good laugh.

Ok so watch me go up to a cop and tell him to stop eating so many donuts because he looks like a fatass and see what happens. I will stand there and boldly laugh in their face because my FREEDOM OF SPEECH ALLOWS ME TO : D Are you forgetting that people used to be MURDERED for being disrespectful? The reason why North Americans openly accept trash talk and being rude is because we have a general understanding as a society that violence is bad. Stop being such a prude

Linthe2 votes

Yea.. it's my 2nd favorite argument... After I spent 2 billion dollars on this game and Ill sue if I dont get it back

Denavai1 votes

It's not the fact that they've chosen to censor their players. It that they've chosen to change their policy. They use to promote communication. You realize "refusing to communicate" option is no longer available? It's not that they've chosen to further enforce their censorship. It's that their new policy and decisions suggest communication as "bad." I don't understand people do not understand us. This minority of players aren't complaining that they got caught, its how and why they got caught.

Twiggles10 votes

Riot has never once said or even implied that communication is bad. Their stance is that being an asshole to your teammates is bad.

You can use the chat for game calls, jokes, roleplay even if you're into that. Have a little fun, you know? Just don't be an ass, and everything is fine.

As soon as someone starts tearing into their teammates over a mistake under the guise of "giving advice", then that's when muting/reporting becomes a thing.

I don't understand how toxic players can look at their chat logs and think they are perfectly fine despite berating and belittling whoever happens to be doing poorly all game.

Riot's policy on communication has not changed. Riot leaves the chat functionality alive so that we can use it. However, Riot has no qualms with punishing those who abuse it.

Denavai1 votes

You've not sat in the forums reading for the past few hours. It's exactly what they're promoting, and clearly what they're promoting. When you tell me to ignore someone for bming me you're essentially telling me not to talk. End of discussion. Cause thats what you guys want? For me to go away right? That's the vibe thousands of players are receiving, and we know we're not alone, but there is this itching part of the community that needs their "safe space." So you get a single toxic player in your game, and he ruins it for you, and you're just suppose to shut up and report him, and then you get another player ruining your next game, and you're suppose to shut up and report him, and guess what. You play like crap the next game cause you were just told to shut up for countless games in a row, and you need to blow a little steam. Sorry bro, shut up and take it like the little silver cough you are, and report him.

I'm fairly certain that implies communication is bad, when you try to help someone and guess what. Ignore, shut up and report. Cause truly if all you had to say was good job there would've never been an issue, but nah you had to suggest his item build is a bit wierd, now you're the asshole? Shut up, ignore him and report. Cause you didn't need to critique anyone elses game play, but they all start watching you like a hawk cause u had the nerve to make a suggestion to their friend. Lets see if we can tilt this douche that thinks he has good play advise... Take it baby take it....

Do you not understand the trend we're going through? Now please, If you could. Create an analogy from mine where I could avoid getting upset? Quit the game? Or.... Never talk cause a majority of the time, I'm going to have to ignore them and shut up, and watch as they ruin my play experience that could've been avoided if they didn't get so angry about my advise, Lastly, its not that this happens every game, It happens in a strong majority of them. Roughly more then 50%, and trust me. I do talk enough to notice when to stop talking, but hey here I actually can let some steam out on the forums, but never to my immediate teammates. Look at all the positive reinforcement I receive here. HA! Nah brah you're just negative. You can talk bro, but you just cant say whats on your mind filter it with the brown nose. Don't get mad, don't get even, get reported bro. You took it once you can take it again bro. You're only in silver cause you tried to enrich teammates on the few games you realized you couldn't single handedly carry bro. ext ext ext..... And my personal fav. Just mute him, his friend, and the other player just to be sure you don't talk about him cause you upset one person you're liable to have upset another.

GenghisEmo1 votes

^_^

KrugLyfe1 votes

Can't stand when people call others assholes it's so hypocritical it's disgusting

Lothàrs Edge1 votes

Has anyone looked at this guys summoner page? He's tanking his ranked stats and he has the audacity to say that he gives people encouraging advice.

entitledplayer1 votes

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Has anyone looked at this guys summoner page? He's tanking his ranked stats and he has the audacity to say that he gives people encouraging advice.

He's already been savaged by a large collective for directly lying and embellishing in another thread;

He had the sense of mind to save face and come out with it, but he got caught in over 10 different lies on that thread topic;

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/dTBv0h4x-am-i-the-only-one-thats-had-an-abusive-support-note-no-i-am-not-punished-nor-was-i-rude

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