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Champion Select Trolls....The Worst Feeling in League - Make Dodging Necessary

Tract··23 votes·2,278 views

I am getting kinda sick of needing to dodge due to incredibly common trolls in champ select. Just now, for the I lost track of it-th time, this happened, probably a pretty familiar thing.

We all load in to champ select(ranked) and people call pref's. Two people want mid, one says ~"Mid pref" the other just says "mid". One is first pick, one is last pick, pretty clear where this is going. The first guy locks in LB, ok, and then it happens...

Last pick guy: Ok whatever, we will duo mid, idc if ur first pick im going mid lol

And then that sinking feeling starts...

Once it gets to that guys pick, he locks in Teemo with clarity and clairvoyance and says "im not trolling fk u I said mid we are duo mid now"

That kind of thing.

Its either dodge, or loose alot of LP due to the troll who just wants to ruin the game for everyone else. Obviously, I dodge. I would be okay with this if not for the fact that because I dodge, I CANNOT REPORT THIS PLAYER, so he gets away scott free, having successfully made 4 other people miserable, and there is absolutely no way to stop this guy from queuing up again and continuing to ruin the game.

tl;dr, please make a way to report in champ select, or after dodge.

27 Comments

Jubbinaut6 votes

Situations like this suck. And it's definitely frustrating that there's no built-in way to address the situation. But you can always submit a Support Ticket with whatever information you may have (names/time of the lobby, screenshots, etc.). They won't be able to tell you what actions they take, of course, but it will at least put it in front of someone.

Unhealthy1 votes

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Jubbinaut1 votes

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in front of someone would be believable if it weren't the same response for each type of out-of-match issue that is sent

It's true enough that they tend to make use of form letters, but despite that, my experience has shown it to be quite effective.

those options for a support ticket are laughable, like they really dont want to hear about player issues but there are 2 diff options relating to store/merch

I won't argue, there. It's not exactly streamlined for easy use.

Unhealthy5 votes

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ModUlanopo1 votes

I think that the resources required to link that with Zendesk, which is the ticket management system they use, would be prohibitive for the benefit.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

what are you? why are you blue.....

ModUlanopo2 votes

I'm an Arbiter. We're kind of like Wrenchmen for the behavior forum. There's a sticky at the top of the board.

CasterGilgamesh1 votes

Rammus ok........ backs away slowly

Unhealthy1 votes

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ModUlanopo2 votes

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i dont see why you couldn't have 2 standalones and have an import system. so, Mr Blue-Post, do you have an idea for this problem. there's people would offer to do it for free or limited expense simply because it could assist in healing a community are you just here to shoot me down and get the promotion?

LOL. Riot would never hire me and I would never leave Michigan.

What you're describing is a solution in search of a problem. The thing is, the Tribunal and the associated behavior systems are already wicked accurate - as in, several orders of magnitude less failure than heart surgery. I did the napkin math a couple of years back off of a couple of comments Lyte made and came up with an error rate of ~1 in 750,000.

Video replays wouldn't improve much on that and there would be all sorts of collateral concerns. Plus there's the fact that not too many people would be willing to sit through 25-40 minutes per match. Yikes.

Unhealthy1 votes

Plus there's the fact that not too many people would be willing to sit through 25-40 minutes per match. Yikes. i wasnt saying video replays but ya. also neither does the player getting trolled so they are forced to dodge. it only hurts the dodger. like c'mon..

ModUlanopo1 votes

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i wasnt saying video replays but ya. also neither does the player getting trolled so they are forced to dodge. it only hurts the dodger. like c'mon..

My bad. I confused this with a different conversation.

LegacyofTable2 votes

They've already said they hope to address this with the new champ select for ranked (which I assume to be the new ranked team builder). However, it won't completely get rid of the problem, which is something they should be planning for. It would be nice to hear from Riot about it right now, but I'm sure they're waiting until the right time to post a thread about it (new tribunal/ranked team builder).

Kitty von Tuna2 votes

Teams should be able to have a kick-vote, in order to just be able to kick trollers from the champion select

Archon X1 votes

since it was a ranked game it was the first pick's fault for not being diplomatic with last pick regarding where they both would go

devante gomez4 votes

last pick is already being undiplomatic, by having any kind of expectation, from last pick. draft pick has been around long enough for him to know his place.

i don't know his personal circumstances, but very little would make last unworthy of all of the blame in this situation.

BubonicBite1 votes

actually if that happens the report button for refusal to communicate with team or if they really do say anything along those lines of "f you duo mid now" verbal abuse/offensive language, etc so many categories of reporting that they can be tossed into that it almost doesnt matter.

think of pick order as rolling dice for a board game, if the person who won the roll picks the piece and color you wanted you can either ask nicely for that piece and color(champ and role in this case) or you deal with it and pick another piece and color.. because chances are you will either not be playing, be ganged up on, or get no help during the game if you are an ass when setting up the game.

either way diplomacy only works if the last pick person isnt planning to troll anyways.. people that are like that should honestly not be playing this game or any multiplayer game for that matter, which is why we report them.

Malaborath1 votes

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since it was a ranked game it was the first pick's fault for not being diplomatic with last pick regarding where they both would go

Why do I see you in every post on the boards? Is commenting your hobby? Cuz it's mine.

Totalwanabe1 votes

here the solution play your best and hope thing go your way or whine in all chat and in forum like you are because you can't adapt to the situation good or bad.

yuchihaitachi1 votes

every time I am a 4th or 5th picker, I want to dodge the game. 10% winning rate When I am the last 2 picker!!!!

1 800 MID LANE1 votes

I know them feels bro.

Got one of the "mid or feed" guys who actually got mid without anyone else flaming and STILL proceeded to feed.

Nyyre1 votes

I feel like dodging should be allowed on any draft mode. The game hasn't started yet, and better than wasting 20-40 minutes of everyone's time on the rift you wasted 3 minutes in champion select. It really hurts nobody (besides yourself) to doge.

Chrogo2 votes

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I feel like dodging should be allowed on any draft mode. The game hasn't started yet, and better than wasting 20-40 minutes of everyone's time on the rift you wasted 3 minutes in champion select. It really hurts nobody (besides yourself) to doge.

The implications of being able to dodge any champ select without penalty are worse than what we currently have.

If players can dodge and immediately re-queue, there will be a meta-game of dodging. People will literally dodge every time until they get a matchup they consider favorable. That could mean getting into a game could take HOURS. People could literally dodge every game they don't get their preferred role in. Imagine. One guy wants top only. One guy wants mid only.... you keep getting these guys in champ select and they keep not getting their roles. Dodge. Dodge. Dodge. Dodge.... Finally maybe top guy gets top and mid guy gets mid... Then some other dude is like "I don't like your pick" and he dodges. Another champ select everyone is happy with their role and then last pick on the enemy team goes teemo and the enemy team is like "nope, dodge".

You will spend more time in champ select than actually playing matches.

Unhealthy1 votes

im pulling out. i give. i dont have the energy and would rather practice winning troll/trolled games than type about it. this is as exhausting as playing a trolled game. they got me to filibuster myself and i yield

"! ! Reporting Players ! !

If you see people who are WAY out of line in the way they speak and behave, please submit a screenshot at support.leagueoflegends.com.

We WILL be banning people who are excessively offense, racist, vulgar, etc.

Please do not call out players on the forums.

-Pendragon"

Chrogo1 votes

The simplest solution would be to allow player reporting when you dodge at champ select. When you choose to leave champ select a window will pop up and you can select players to report. Then you can pick a reason:

  • Locked in a role already taken
  • Threatened to feed
  • Threatened to afk
  • Refusing to communicate
  • Etc

Then you get a time penalty as usual... HOWEVER.

For each person you report that gets punished, you receive a slight decrease in time penalty for dodging matches. What this means is right now you get like 6 minutes penalty for first dodge... but say you report enough people accurately... now maybe you only wait 4 minutes for first dodge, 25 minutes for second dodge, etc...

This way you still can't just dodge every game, but due to helping clean up the playerbase of champ select trolls, your punishment for dodging gets reduced.

The troll player gets reported, and you get to potentially have decreased wait times on future dodges. Works for everyone. False reports could result in longer wait penalties.

Honestly this would be super easy to check on Riot's side. Say PlayerA reports PlayerB for locking in a role already taken.

Riot could look at the pick order and chat log to see that PlayerA called mid and he was first pick, and PlayerB locked in a mid champ and said nothing, as his teammates questioned his pick and asked him where he was going. Boom, easy punishment.

This works for people who troll by locking in a champ that could play multiple roles and then not saying anything until another player locks in the role he wants. "I am going mid! Isn't it obvious! I picked Fizz!" "But... some people play Fizz top... or even jungle. We can't read your mind..."

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