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A Serious Message to All Non-Ranked players

Eternal Torment··6 votes·880 views

Just because it is not a ranked does not mean everything is forgiven.

EVERYTHING That is not a custom game or Practice tool is serious, yes even bot games. While many of you disagree, do mind me that this is within the ToS to not endanger the gaming experience of other Players for the sake of your own enjoyment. That does not just involve trolling, that involves ANYTHING accountable under the term "Sabotaging your team".

Meaning, if your team is serious about this, you should be too. ONLY under the consent of ALL of your allies can you go into a game with mid nami or ap riven and walk out of it. If a Person Plays the game for it's purpose, it means no trolling, no group enforcing them to do what you order. NOTHING that will ruin that persons experience.

It is one Thing to see people say "Chill it's normal". It is another to see someone use that phrase with fanatic obsession for an excuse. AKA everyone who does that. Sure, if someone gets a bit tilted along the way saying that phrase might be a way to say "It is not a ranked, so if we lose, not that much is lost." but do mind that for some people, a loss is still a loss, even if absolutely meaningless.

If the game is not consensual, you have no excuse at all to be a sadistic prick. None at all. Some people draw the joy of this game in being victorious. If you wanna get a good gig off of ruining that, then League by all due respect is a place you should leave and not come back to. Not only does that behaviour direly increase toxicity amongs the selected group of Players called Your team, it also can trigger you to be under investigation for a punishment regarding griefing and trolling.

The "It's just a Normal" Line is a very bad excuse for trolls wanting their own license to roam free. Remember last April fools where riot tried to prank us by telling us blind pick enemies were just improved bots? They left one specific line in every game chat at the beginning. Such being that the normal Punishment courses are still in Action regardless of it being a bot game.

What does that tell us? That ruining a game for others is under no circumstances allowed, even if such is a Bot game.

So next time you wanna try some stupid shit, and not kidding, i mean some actual stupid shit like ap riven, consider practice tool instead of trying to get an entire lobby to be pissed at you and report you for trolling.

Riot created practice tool with the precise goal for it to be used. Take inspiration from Vandiril. (I can't believe i am saying this). Everything he tests, he does in the practice tool not in a normal game. He is a good example that you should utilize ALL the Tools riot gives.

TL;DR: Just because it is not ranked, it is not okay to troll. you can still be accounted for what you do, and still get punished for trolling. Ruining people's game for your own fun is prohibited.

Edit: Please do not come with the "off-meta and troll difference" Thing. While some off-meta picks are considered okay BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY WORK, most are still a sore sight to a lot of Players and are still gonna be considered trolling to them. Do mind, trolling is not solely what YOU define. it is what your teammates define too, and if they feel trolled over what you do, you cannot simply say "i did not troll so i am forgiven". Trolling is not self-judgeable. Again, some few selected cases are okay, but i will only remind you of the Singed topic last year. "Off-meta" almost got him banned because he played his pick despite people disagreeing to it. So yes, consent is required. If you do not believe me, believe riot's own words directed to the guy who was a public case embodying this topic from both points of the view.

32 Comments

Linthe5 votes

No. Yo are mostly wrong.

Yes, INTing and harrassment in bot or normals IS punishable.

But playing off-meta (whatever that IS anyway) is NEVER punishable.

"ONLY under the consent of ALL of your allies can you go into a game with mid nami or ap riven and walk out of it."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wrong.

Eternal Torment2 votes

If you think i am wrong, then just look up the public cases of that topic. one specific one i named as a Reply for another comment.

it has been over a year and the guy still has a triggerfinger aimed at him the second he does his Thing regardless of someone's dissapproval.

If you think i am wrong, then you in all likelyhood never Keep update of what goes as punishable, and have likely never read the ToS either.

PS: If this would not be over a game, i would raise a red flag for more obvious reasons.

Chermorg1 votes

And I mentioned two times now why your example of the support singed/nunu are not applicable here since they weren’t just playing a non-meta champ, but they were in fact refusing to play their assigned role.

Eternal Torment1 votes

and i have tried my best to tell you that it was not denying their role what got them under the target. the Youtube Videos with riot's whole Reply are still up, you can still read word by word what they wrote and that he infact did support as he was rolled for.

As much as i try to tell myself you genuinely believe the case, the longer the topic goes the more i feel like you just want to twist the topic to serve a dissapproval, and while i do not mind it, incase it should be true, i still find distaste in the attempt.

The whole Thing is still viewable, if you do not believe me, believe the evidence literally a linkclick away.

Chermorg1 votes

I replied below with two links that disagree with you.

I await your response.

TheDonar2 votes

{quoted}

But playing off-meta (whatever that IS anyway) is NEVER punishable.

That's code for "you aren't playing and building the champ in the way I would so you suck and are trolling me"

Chermorg4 votes

It is not trolling to play a non meta build.

True, trolling is not allowed in normals. But non meta picks and builds, no matter how crazy they are, aren't prohibited.

Eternal Torment1 votes

Again, only if under full consent.

Non-meta is still non-meta and therefore Counts as an experimental attempt. Taking such in a PvP is still endangering your team's experience, considering there are 5 times the amount of Things that can go wrong.

The Most mastery points singed got a similar situation. He played non-meta, he was good, never trolling, but because his team was not in full consent he came close to being perma banned. now he can only do his secret smite supp singed Thing if THE WHOLE TEAM consents. if just one Person says no, it means no. trespassing that one under the false belief "Fun over Order" is punishable for everyone.

In a team-based game like LoL, you can't allow yourself to have loose Brains run wild. Riot made clear that such is not ok, and this post serves the mere purpose of reminding people that it still applies, and it does so for everyone.

Chermorg2 votes

That is not Riot's opinion. And their opinion goes.

Riot has stated that you do not need the consent of your team to pick/ban/build a specific way. You simply cannot refuse to communicate with them.

Also, Singes was playing in games where he was assigned a role and refused to play the role. We're talking about normal games where people play their role, just not in a standard way (or blind where there is no assigned roles). Singed can only deviate from his role if his team agrees. He's free to pick any support champion and build he wants, as long as he supports.

There is no way non meta picks would be allowed if someone needed the "consent of the team" to pick them.

Eternal Torment1 votes

They said that, at one time. But Things got so bad that they have entablished a low tolerance rule for that one too.

It is not just their Opinion, they clearly stated that it requires consent because it still can, and likely will, sabotage someone's experience of the game.

The example with the singed still serves as a good reminder of that. If someone is not having any of it and you still enforce it thinking that very Thing, that very "i can do what i want, i am not trolling" is exactly when the trolling Begins, for that Person at least. and if that Person is not a bot, you are bound to trigger tilt and possibly even envoke a war of both sides wanting to report each others.

Again, this post serves only for a reminder that your intention is not god's will, if someone disapproves with what you wanna do and clearly states they will not enjoy the game, or even threaten to not Play it over whatever you wanna do, then you make yourself guilty of ruining someone's game. Sure, if they leave the game, that is on them. but it would not change the fact that you did that.

People can take my word, or not. Up to each Person. But i do not take joy seeing a lot of people cry on the boards about being temporarily banned because they had a mislead sense of fun in this game.

Chermorg2 votes

Again, singed is different.

Singed/nunu were assigned a role and then played 90%+ of the time as another role they weren’t assigned. That, I.e. playing a role you were not assigned, requires the consent of your team in a game mode where roles are assigned (draft).

Picking a non-meta champion or build has never been and is not punishable unless there is clear intent to troll with it.

Eternal Torment1 votes

And that is only Splitting the case. Singed has supported all along. He did not Play a different role. It was the off-meta Thing itself that got him in danger. Smite singed supp in itself was already dangerous water, but leaving your bot for 2-3 minutes for an Counter invade WITH HIS PICK is where people drew the line.

And such has been worded by riot aswell, thought they had to partially take it back due to the sheer uproar of the community. But what they said as their final Response stands. Off-meta picks, fine, but only if noone's experience is harmed by it.

Again, take my word or don't. I just wanna see less people suffering with punishments because they had a mislead sense of fun.

Chermorg3 votes

No, the line was drawn at a support (regardless of champion) taking smite and leaving for over 50% of the game to go jungle instead of supporting the ADC.

Eternal Torment1 votes

the first 3 minutes of the game are hardly 50% of the whole time unless all 5 people afk'd at 6 minutes resulting in a leaver-surrender.

Chermorg2 votes

From my understanding (and links I provide), singed/nunu were banned because they were leaving for much more than “the first three minutes of the game”

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/79aGu3wR-support-singed-isnt-banable-but-thats-not-the-point

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/5cwtyf/support_singed_player_explained/

he split pushes all game late game and runs smite to counterjungle leaving the ADC to 1v2 the whole laning phase.

Dirty Bastard2 votes

Sounds like your mad because your sup roamed. You do not have to be singed to roam, bard roams, lulu, Morgana, any sup can roam. If an adc cannot handle a bit of roaming and play safe then he should not adc. Support does not imply adc babysitter. Support is for the team, they are not your personal bitch or guardian solely dedicated to watching you cs. They have every right in roaming to add pressure to any lane and assist where needed. This is a team game not a adc game. If support takes a smite to deny monsters from enemy it's still not bannable.

You cannot dictate how ppl play. This op reads butt hurt imo

hexarte1 votes

Please refrain from trying to overpower and control your teammates. That meets the requirement of Cyber Harassment, which is a crime punishable by law with a fine and/or even jail time.

Here is the definition of Cyber Harassment. Link is here

Don't ruin your reputation over this, thank you.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Eternal Torment1 votes

that is rude on an entirely new scale. just so you can protect going around fucking peoples days up you go as far as to call me a cyber harrasser...

how far this place has fallen, quite honestly i had to take medications from the shock you delivered with this extremicy.

hexarte1 votes

Sorry, I'm terribly sorry. I'll just never mind. Goodbye. I'm surprised you forgot the agreement you made with Riot.

And I'm sorry if it I didn't state clearly enough, but I never actually accused you of anything, because you haven't really done anything. And if it came across that way, please forgive me. I just wanted this to stop.

I guess that's the breaks. And if you want to know, it's only harassment if you're an adult habitually controlling how an adolescent has to play a game, which originally was meant just to have fun.

I didn't mean to cause any harm. Guess I'll let my emotions take over for awhile and leave everything behind. Good night!

hexarte1 votes

By the way, all games you play are used to get you to play them. The first video game companies brought in psychologists and asked them, "How to we get these people addicted to something?" Not in those exact words, but that has been the main step-by-step instructions used ever since.

It's based on self--gratification, to make you feel good about yourself. "The cake is a lie." Well guess what, that new tier doesn't mean squat in the real world. "The tiers are a lie."

It's the same way you train a new puppy, positive reinforcement.

BigBellBrute1 votes

{quoted}

That is not Riot's opinion. And their opinion goes.

Riot has stated that you do not need the consent of your team to pick/ban/build a specific way. You simply cannot refuse to communicate with them.

Also, Singes was playing in games where he was assigned a role and refused to play the role. We're talking about normal games where people play their role, just not in a standard way (or blind where there is no assigned roles). Singed can only deviate from his role if his team agrees. He's free to pick any support champion and build he wants, as long as he supports.

There is no way non meta picks would be allowed if someone needed the "consent of the team" to pick them.

Saying I'm playing AD raka and then having the entire rest of the team say no don't do that and doing it anyway counts as failure to communicate.

Chermorg1 votes

No. Just as you as a jungle don't have to gank just because your team asks, you are under no obligation to follow your team's communication.

You simply must communicate. Refusal to communicate means not talking at all. It's not refusal to listen.

DiegoVP12 votes

Bro, if riot forbid you to build crazy shit like ap volibear or what ever, they could literally just make it imposible for you to buy ap ítems and only let you buy specific ítems that are intended for that champion. The reason they dont do this is because league is about freedom and about being able to pull off ytour style, so while you are right, no one should intentionally feed or afk, going weird builds like mid ap nami is totally fine. If this was forbidden then things like ad kennen, mid soraka, top ap/ad alistar, mf support, ad fizz/ekko, that were actually played in the lcs would have never being discovered. True most of these dont work anymore but they sure used to, yet they all started percieved as someone trolling. And tbh if you are so competitive and only care about winning and your team taking the game serious /which you dont have to since in the end IT IS A GAME) do try ranked where most people think the way you do.

Dirty Bastard2 votes

You take yourself far too seriously. A player can build as they choose and there is nothing you can do about if they are playing with good intent.

Unless they buy 6 mobi's it's not against the rules.

Killer30001894 votes

Normals is for trying new things and having fun, while you sound like you're tryharding your ass off in it like you won't get dinner tonight if you don't win

SparksFFF2 votes

im sorry every single meta build you worship was originally none meta. kogmaw used to be meta jhin. and caitly. now twitch i..leona was meta now janna is.....every meta thing you hold dear to your heart was originally unmeta until someone proved it worked. period. so saying using a none meta build is trolling or needs consent is bogus. because quite frankly it could become meta depending on how well it worked.

Jorencice1 votes

Janna has ALWAYS been meta ^-^

Queenpin2 votes

The same way it's not your responsibility to change your play-style for a team that favours play over victory, it's not a team's responsibility to change their play-style for a you/player that favours victory over play.

Dirty Bastard2 votes

I agree with some of this post but you can not dictate player builds as troll if not meta.

Builds are not reportable and all builds have come from experimentation.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

What is wrong with Nami mid? She is a mage with ap scaling.

GeminiRune1 votes

Trolling and ruining a game don't always go hand in hand. People establish trolling as even building or playing off meta. You see a player with Ghost/Cleanse while playing the champion with a legit build; what do you assume: trolling or ruining the game? Should the team lose with everyone on like or similar KDA/CS lines; if fingers get pointed, what's the excuse: trolling or ruining the game?

It may just be a normal game but what impact does it have on anything but a player's ego or behavior should it even need to be necessary? The only thing really prohibited about that is not being a jerk about the matter.

Telephone Booth1 votes

The thing is, nowhere in the game does it say Riven must build AD. You wrote a lot so I didn't read it all, but your first example of someone breaking the ToS is mid nami or AP riven. People can go off meta if they want to. Of course there are limits, but Riot can't punish people for having a lack of insight on the meta. Sure these people aren't doing what's optimal, but there's really no rule against that.

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