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Why has Riot done NOTHING about this?

homerthefatso··2 votes·662 views

Warning: I may rant a little in this post

I have already made a thread regarding the issue of trolls and just overall shitty people in champion select. Many times somebody starts trolling in champion select which then either forces a perfectly innocent person to dodge and lose LP or makes the other 4 teammates to lose LP and time.

Some people are abusing champion select as a way to get what they want, I have witnessed this first hand many times. This is partly due to autofill. For example, in my last game, our mid asked if he could jungle. I told him that I cannot mid well, but if someone else wanted to swap with me I'd be more than willing. The guy says "NP" so I figured we are good. When it comes to his pick, he decides to autolock kalista mid with smite and ghost so I figure he is trolling. I look him up on op.gg and sure enough, he has not played kalista at all this season. I really want to dodge, but it is my series so dodging is the equivalent of losing. At the last second, the Kalista tries to dodge as I see it in the chat that he left lobby, but it is too late. The game actually ended up being kind of close despite the fact that Kalista went 0-7 in like the first ten minutes, forcing us to deal with a 8-0 ekko. She got a 9x report so I am satisfied with that.

However, what I have a problem with is why people are allowed to do this. Too many times I have seen one-tricks just lock in some random troll pick (not offmeta there is a clear difference) in an attempt to force someone else to dodge because they are too selfish to lose some LP themselves and they are too lazy to learn just 1 more role. There seems to be no way out, it is a lose-lose. If you dodge, you lose LP and time (albeit not as much as either) but the troll gets away scot-free. If nobody dodges, the troll might be punished, but you and 3 other teammates have to lose lots of LP and time.

My solution is to either make an in-lobby booting system or to implement a champion-select reporting system. If it was an in-lobby booting system, 4 votes would be required to boot the other person. The other person doesn't even have to lose LP, just have maybe a 5 minute queue delay. This may be abused for off-meta picks, but the reality is, it is highly unlikely that all 4 people will choose to boot someone just because of an off-meta pick, especially if the person is good at it and wins games with it.

This boot system could still be abused nevertheless so my second solution is to implement an in-game champion select report option. This way, if I dodge because someone is trolling or being a douchebag in champion select, I can rest easy knowing that even though I lost 3 LP, the troll will be punished. As it stands however, me or some other regular player is being punished while the troll gets away without any punishment whatsoever. How is that fair?

11 Comments

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

This is not the player's fault,its riot's fault,they allow level 30 players o join ranked without even having 1 support or a complete runepage. I have been there and i have done that,if i get autofilled i just tell my team hey guys i have 18 champions and 1 runepage for adcs i can not play support. Do not blame the players,blame riot for not giving them the necessities to play all roles in ranked.

homerthefatso1 votes

It is both the riot's and the player's, but mostly the player's. I disagree about how the players should be blameless. They have a clear choice to make: should I actually learn a new role, or should I troll. If they choose to troll, the blame falls upon them.

This game I just played was in high plat, the troll had enough champions and runepages, but just felt entitled to jungle. If you decide to troll just because you did not get your main role, you should be punished plain and simple. This may be different for lower level people who just do not have the resources or the chance to learn new roles, but it is inexcusable later on.

h5LYF41Lam1 votes

even in terms of balance riot has done all they could to drive players away from the support role,the most popular and highest winrate supports are shieldbots who most people find unfun to play with and against. All in all its not the league of legends community that is bad its how bad riot has been handling the game. Paladins had it right for ranked reach mastery x in a y amount of champions to play ranked. and make runes/cards affordable.

homerthefatso1 votes

Yes, but some people are legit one tricks. It's okay if you can play all roles EXCEPT for one, but if you are a one-trick who trolls just because you do not get your role, that is unacceptable. For example, this Kalista did not get autofilled support or anything like that. He just got put mid, but he is a jungle one-trick who trolled because he could not get jungle. We should be able to punish these type of people in champion select

midnight oil241 votes

I mean, seeing as how buying champs iwth IP seems to be stigmatized in my experience, it takes a lot of time to work to buy new champs, and runes cost rp, that's a good few years before someone's allowed to play ranked.

Not fun for anyone.

homerthefatso1 votes

Yes, it is tough to be competent with a few champions in every role. However, this does not mean it is okay to troll just because you did not get your main role.

midnight oil241 votes

Definitely, it's far from okay to troll.

That being said, you can't reasonably expect everyone to have the time to get a reasonable champ pool and fill a rune page without spending money, and if you spend money people tell you you're doing it wrong.

homerthefatso1 votes

Yes, it is hard to learn new roles and we should do something so that IP or runes are more accessible. However, I am okay if someone valiantly tries and fails at a new role. I am okay if they get autofilled and play poorly. What sets me off is when somebody refuses to even try a new role and tries to avoid this by trolling in champion select in order to try and force another innocent person to dodge.

midnight oil241 votes

But the guy up there said they shouldn't be allowed to play ranked until they can play all roles well and have a rune page.

Listen. I try my hardest, but mid isn't super great for me. It's more where i go to relax in the game, because Junglers kind of avoid it in my cases. It's just sort of me and my lane opponent farming for a while. But even though I'm not great at it, I'm gonna try my hardest.

But I hsouldn't be forced to play a role until I'm good at it and spend months working to fill a rune page to play ranked.

OnlyYouCanHearMe1 votes

Yeaaaaaah.... no. If people were to shift all the blame onto Riot, then what would stop half of the player base from simply not owning support champions and saying "Sorry, don't have any supports or rune pages. Can't play support." That's just a bit too close to being a cop-out answer for any player who gets autofilled to a role they don't want to play. Sooner or later, everyone is going to be autofilled into a role that they don't necessarily want. It's just a part of playing ranked, and it's not the end of the world. All they have to do is suck it up, play the match to the best of their ability - play safe if you aren't comfortable in the role, and let yourself be carried by a teammate who IS comfortable in their role, and then move on to the next match. Sheesh! I'm a support main, and even I get autofilled to roles other than support.

As far as Riot not giving players the necessities to play all roles... playing ranked is not a necessity of the game. It's a privilege. Riot already restricts it by making sure that players are at least level 30, and that they own a certain number of champions, to try and make sure that they have the basic game knowledge before turning them loose on their MMR. It's the player's own lack of foresight if they are not prepared with a suitable champion or rune page for each potential role they could encounter.

Back to the OP - I suspect one of the main reasons it hasn't been put in place is because of how many different ways it could be abused. The topic has come up many, many times here on the boards, and players are justifiably frustrated by the seeming lack of punishment for trolls. Since the IFS was instituted, Riot has steadily been working on ways to tailor that system to better detect trolling and intentional feeding. It is a bit more difficult than some of the other types of ToS violations though. Is Player X intentionally feeding or just having a bad game? That question can sometimes be difficult to answer, so much thought has been going into how the system would review those reports, in effort to prevent innocent players from being punished by mistake.

In cases like yours, with a champion select troll, who is simply wasting everyone's time because they do not like their role, people seem to be on the fence about whether reporting someone in champ select would be a good thing or not. Especially in flex-queue, when/if groups of 4 are allowed (not sure if they are back up and running now or not, since I don't play flex), it could just as easily be abused to try and force the fifth player to role-swap. And if the player refuses to swap, boot them. Then they get a 5 minute delay, and the group gets to move on to the next victim.

I dislike dealing with the champ select trolls just as much as you do, but I am not sure that this is the best way to solve the problem. We may need to trust in Riot to keep brainstorming on this one until something can be found that won't have quite such an easy way to be manipulated.

homerthefatso1 votes

Yes this would probably be a problem with premades, so maybe a champion select report or kick system should only be implemented in solo queue or something. Or have the reports be worth less if it is made by premades.

This has been a problem for many seasons, but it is most rampant this season due to autofill. Back when it was pick order, I remember some people using this strategy and trolling in champion select in order to force others to dodge. Innocent people are being punished while trolls are being rewarded and that is messed up. I would trust Riot, but this has been going on for far too long and there has not even been an attempt to fix it.

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