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Maybe if this game had voice chat

Willowwolfgaming··1 votes·816 views

Everyone would be less toxic. Overwatch has voice chat and of course there's toxic people but its not that bad.

This game is so dependent in teamwork, and the community thinks flex Q is irrelevant.

Given these two permise which i would even say are factual, I think its safe to say that everyone gets super frustrated. Every game people are whining about pings and who goes where and whos doing what. Its really rare that I will finish a solo game and people wont be flaming in the lobby after. EVEN THE WINNING TEAM is frequently raging at each other.

I think the root cause of this is a lack of ability to both be inputting all your keyboard and mouse commands as well as accurately displaying your current intention to your team. ESPECIALLY in low elo where players are unable to see everything in a given situation. This is fueled by the fact that even if you are polite you cannot ask someone what they were thinking when they make a mistake that you saw was a mistake a good 15 seconds before they died. Any prompt to self examine a decision is met with hostile retaliation and easily gets the entire team to label the one asking why as toxic.

I have tried all of the following: Why? What made you think that was a good idea? Could you explain why you were at (X) and not at (Y) im legit curious? Id like to know what you were thinking when you went in right there please tell me? Want to know why that was a bad idea and why i knew that before you did it?

Every game I am match made with people who have THOUSANDS of games played. Sure the game changes often, but the overall goal is the same. Youd think by now people could tell what they are doing wrong.

Today I was flamed by a lucian when we lost. He was like 25/13. His KD exponentially went down until we lost. Enemy had literally nothing but nexus for at least 7 minutes with us just getting inhibs and shoved back out eventually to lose to late game vayne. He yelled at me repeatedly saying it was my fault (I was tryn top, took several towers but 8/9/8 KD give or take.) Its everyones fault we lost not just mine. And yeah I didnt have the best game, but he could have just ended it at like 25 mins in instead of letting it turn into an hour long game. I could ltierally make a montage of him chasing blood instead of going for objectives.

Its getting harder and harder to stay interested in this game, and I am repeatedly being told that none of what i am describing will change as i climb elo unless I get WAAAY up there.

And I do believe the root cause is that this almost 8 year old game does not have voice chat for some reason. .-.

28 Comments

Chermorg3 votes

Overwatch is a fast-paced game where strategy is not as important as League. You cannot force people to use voice chat. Many do not have the ability to, many do not want to. Voice chat will just end up another way for people to be toxic to their teammates in game.

Willowwolfgaming1 votes

If startagy is MORE important in league why the fuck would you not want to be able to communicate. And never did i say "FORCE" you can still out of the voice why dont you think before you dont vote and spew your ignorance everywhere

Chermorg3 votes

I don't want to hear people cursing me out. If I read it? Ok, I'll mute. If I have to listen to voice chat, screw that.

There is No reason to add another form of communication. Text chat works fine.

The reason games like cs:go and overwatch have less toxicity is because there's almost no communication in normal games of those games in general. For the most part, maybe 10 messages are said. There's some voice communicating, sure, but the underlying reason for lack of toxicity is lack of communication.

I know this from experience btw, as I have played and still do play both games.

Willowwolfgaming1 votes

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Chermorg2 votes

You're the exact reason I won't support voice comms in League.

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

Lay off the personal attacks. If you want a discussion be civil.

Demonwolf6661 votes

and that comment just goes to show why it's a bad idea in a Moba genre. battle gets heated. temper gets heated. one person dies. we found our target. text or speech. makes literally zero difference.

DrCyanide1 votes

You would be forced into voice chat, because other sources of communication would dry up.

Consider the following: How long after picking roles for Draft Pick became a thing did we see people complaining that they didn't know how to play all 5 roles for Ranked? Less than a year. Some of those players started playing without having to learn multiple roles, other players got rusty at roles they once knew.

The same thing happens with voice chat in League. Take a player who starts playing this game with a group of friends on voice chat and you'll notice that they rarely ping, they just call out what they see. That would become the norm for League as a whole with built in voice chat - pings would drastically reduce over the course of a year to the point that anyone not on voice chat is at a noticeable disadvantage.

FPS games have comparatively short games with very few penalties for leaving in the middle. They're an inadequate comparison for how League of Legends would do with voice chat.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

I have a hard time believing the ping thing, but then again I can only base my opinion off my experience. When I play with my friend we still ping for our team mates to see or each other if tunnel vision seems to be kicking in. I'm bad at pinging OMW when I gank as a jungle, voice may help with that but I was already barely pinging it before.

What about raids in MMO's? They prefer voice for ease but will also type gist ideas. In the heat of battle they still manage to ping (if the game allows ping) to alert of targets or position even if in a voice server.

DrCyanide1 votes

I take it you and your friends didn't start playing primarily with voice chat. The friends I've introduced to the game who primarily played in a group with voice chat had a hard time getting use to pinging.

As for MMO guilds and raids, you signed up to do that with those people to my understanding. That makes it far more comparable to using voice chat with a premade than with random players.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Learned in voice (was skype at the time), but my friend made sure I learned to do them, at least MIA, as a second nature. Objective or OMW pings didn't matter then since I never shot called.

I understand that reasoning, I guess the other part is it is pve and less time restricting (in most cases).

Off topic, I always enjoy seeing your posts Dr. Cyanide.

DrCyanide1 votes

Learned in voice (was skype at the time), but my friend made sure I learned to do them, at least MIA, as a second nature.

Good friends :)

I guess the other part is it is pve and less time restricting (in most cases).

I think you're right, but I haven't played many MMO's to know.

Off topic, I always enjoy seeing your posts Dr. Cyanide.

Glad to hear! I'm sure some people feel otherwise about them, but it's nice to feel like my post contribute something.

Finn Teh Human1 votes

I use to be all for voice chat but here is the problem with making everyone use it - You can't guarantee it will help in every game and that people will use it in the right way. I was recently in a game with people I had just met that day (we were getting along) until we decided to go a normal instead of an aram. 2 of the guys I was playing with were shit talking me (I wasn't feeding, I was doing well) because I picked something they didn't like in a normal game and was practicing even though they were practicing too. Eventually I left the call because I was tired of them using voice comms which were supposed to make the game fun to ruin it.

Willowwolfgaming1 votes

Yeah but you can still mute people or leave the chat? No one uses text caht the right way and at least the toxic people wil play while they yell instead of stopping to type when they should be helping. Toxic people are going to ruin the game regardless of if there is voice chat or not

Finn Teh Human1 votes

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Yeah but you can still mute people or leave the chat? No one uses text caht the right way and at least the toxic people wil play while they yell instead of stopping to type when they should be helping. Toxic people are going to ruin the game regardless of if there is voice chat or not

If they had voice chat and were being extremely toxic and saying vulgar and racist and sexist things then that means Riot would have to listen to EVERY VOICE CALL in order to ban them. I'd rather mute people in game where if they say something it's ALWAYS ON RECORD.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

You can easily just post a discord link into pregame

Willowwolfgaming1 votes

Which means i have to constantly add and remove people from a server and give randoms access to me? Pass. Is this game meant for autistic people or something? Riot does nothing but constantly imbalance the game, provide no meaningful content updates, and all of you are so quick to come to the forums to defend them for taking your money for doing literally nothing. 8 years of game and theres no voice, 2 new maps, one removed because it was garbage and became a bot farming zone. Almost fun game modes that are rotated every week because apparently allowing the community to make custom games is bad? This community enables riot to be lazy and not improve the game.

Demonwolf6663 votes

if a toxic player can be toxic in written words. he/she can be equally toxic through in-game voice chat as well.

if you don't see a problem with voice chat by now. think about this then:

Voice chat will only do one thing about toxicity in this game. it'll open up a much faster way to tear down the potential target.

Kei1431 votes

why not use the riot's volunteer's board's discord?

This Is Your Dad1 votes

My two cents on voice chat: Voice chatting, when I use it, makes me less toxic. Why? Because I can hear the tones and rationalize that people are trying to win. If I see a top laner die over and over and over without him saying anything, or if he types "gosh darn it" I might create my own tone of him trolling me in a sarcastic way. When I have him on voice chat, I can hear him being apologetic. I can rationalize that he is trying. There's nothing to hide. My brother, one of the most toxic people I know, uses voice chat from time to time and when he gets mad, he realizes he's getting mad at someone that generally feels bad, a person. So he stops. Voice chat, in my experience, has been nothing but a godsend to toxicity. However, there are obviously some instances where it can be used poorly. There have been a few posts in the past about how difficult it is to be a female gamer in all the chaos and immaturity. So as a male, I cannot speak for them.

KotetsuTatsumaki1 votes

When you have the level of anonymity that comes with text only chat, you're more willing to be toxic because in your conscious they can't trace it back to you in a sense.

With voice chat, its more personal/intimate. You get a sense that human beings can hear and identify you more. So people will in my opinion be less likely to be toxic over a voice chat, which is a good thing.

I personally observed someone I met on this game and used to play with in scenarios both with and without voice chat through skype call.

In skype, he was critical... but mildly constructive. I in particular remember a time where we had a Yi, and he was recommending that Yi forget about the Devourer he had (back when devourer was still in game) because he was a bit far behind in getting stacks.

A few days later, no voice chat, he was spewing off things in text chat i dare not repeat unless I want to get myself banned. Granted we were not doing well but some of the things he said... I couldn't believe the sudden difference in his attitude.

That being said, there would also need to be some checks in place if voice chat were implemented in League. Overwatch has an easy way to mute other peoples voice chat, while still allowing text, so that's one thing. That also hints that it should not be required to use the voice chat even if it is available. I've also noticed that a lot of Overwatch players basically make assumptions and look down upon those with a Mic as bad players, and at times even talk about them as if they can't hear them and/or are a lower class citizen or something. So that's something Riot might have to deal with on their end.

Demonwolf6661 votes

also one more problem. if a player is verbally abusing the voice chat to be disrespectful and hurtful to team mates. there will be no evidence of the toxic behavior and thus. in severe cases. no punishment for the offender. thus again. worsening the state of the game. with text. you can't undo what has been written. and that way. you can't escape punishment for any transgressions made to hurt other people.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

This would depend on what they want to use for resources. If they wanted they could use a TTS (text to speech) program that logs when a player's mic is activated. A problem I see with this method is if someone is echoing another player, but at the same time if you notice said player is basically repeating/saying the same thing in about the same time then you can design around it

Demonwolf6661 votes

true on that part.

my main concern is just that if a severely toxic person jumps onto the voice chat. one sentence and that one person can have started a chain reaction through the team. and if said toxic player gets paired with lets say a female player. we have the possibility of even worse harassment. my experience from other games like counterstrike and other FPS games. light voice = immediately homing beacon for toxic players with no sense of right or wrong. thus depleting the player base significantly for even worse transgressions than the anonymity of text chat.

my latest experience was in counterstrike. a girl started speaking over voice chat. and suddenly the remaining 17 players (all voice chat, meaning both teams were able to talk together) started flocking her like vultures at a dead body. asking her to do all sorts of things.

tho LoL is pegi 13. we all know that some of the player base is younger than that. even the female player base too. should they experience the same treatment just for playing a game?

which brings me back to the anonymity of text chat, it actually shields the female players much better than voice chat when it comes to hormonal male players which we also know has a large base in the LoL community. thus amplifies my standpoint on the bad things that can and most likely will occur if the voice chat was to be implemented.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Fair. Oddly enough it reminds me of a youtube video/playlist. Found it! The how to be annoying by Realm Games

I think it accurately shows the worries of a voice chat.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRILbAMFFjpylaGy_c9EAVyL2oPMtS4ol

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

Last I heard, they were still working on implementing voice for the game. My only fear is the COD situation; which includes things like shotty mics, intentional music blaring trolls, squekers, and general toxicity. So long as the option of muting still exists, I encourage voice chat.

In terms of another post you added later: custom games still exist. I have a guy i added from the forums specifically for that. Community created games and rules may not be as big, but are still there. (or did I misunderstand that post?)

We know strategy is important and effective communication helps, just like with Pro play.

Squidwards House1 votes

if we ever get voicechat... every person that cries flames rages or whatever, i will laugh so hard about them and they will be able to hear me. i will laugh till they smash their fucking pc and then i laugh even harder cause thats what toxic players are to me. a joke to laugh about.

Nimonery1 votes

{quoted}

Everyone would be less toxic. Overwatch has voice chat and of course there's toxic people but its not that bad.

This game is so dependent in teamwork, and the community thinks flex Q is irrelevant.

Given these two permise which i would even say are factual, I think its safe to say that everyone gets super frustrated. Every game people are whining about pings and who goes where and whos doing what. Its really rare that I will finish a solo game and people wont be flaming in the lobby after. EVEN THE WINNING TEAM is frequently raging at each other.

I think the root cause of this is a lack of ability to both be inputting all your keyboard and mouse commands as well as accurately displaying your current intention to your team. ESPECIALLY in low elo where players are unable to see everything in a given situation. This is fueled by the fact that even if you are polite you cannot ask someone what they were thinking when they make a mistake that you saw was a mistake a good 15 seconds before they died. Any prompt to self examine a decision is met with hostile retaliation and easily gets the entire team to label the one asking why as toxic.

I have tried all of the following: Why? What made you think that was a good idea? Could you explain why you were at (X) and not at (Y) im legit curious? Id like to know what you were thinking when you went in right there please tell me? Want to know why that was a bad idea and why i knew that before you did it?

Every game I am match made with people who have THOUSANDS of games played. Sure the game changes often, but the overall goal is the same. Youd think by now people could tell what they are doing wrong.

Today I was flamed by a lucian when we lost. He was like 25/13. His KD exponentially went down until we lost. Enemy had literally nothing but nexus for at least 7 minutes with us just getting inhibs and shoved back out eventually to lose to late game vayne. He yelled at me repeatedly saying it was my fault (I was tryn top, took several towers but 8/9/8 KD give or take.) Its everyones fault we lost not just mine. And yeah I didnt have the best game, but he could have just ended it at like 25 mins in instead of letting it turn into an hour long game. I could ltierally make a montage of him chasing blood instead of going for objectives.

Its getting harder and harder to stay interested in this game, and I am repeatedly being told that none of what i am describing will change as i climb elo unless I get WAAAY up there.

And I do believe the root cause is that this almost 8 year old game does not have voice chat for some reason. .-.

no ones going to be less toxic. Your silver because YOURE bad. Thats it. Youre not magically going to enjoy the game, judging by your posts you are a toxic person anyway. You have a less than 50% WR in the worst elo in this game. YOU are the problem. 8 years of league and still in silver? Your opinion doesnt matter- you have no idea what goes into making a champ OP or UP. If you did, you wouldnt be a toxic low silver. You actually call people autistic lol.

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