Verbal/negative attitude/language are the only reports that legitimately can be proven in League

Great Muta··3 votes·630 views

It has occurred to me that the only real reports you can prove in League are reports based on what someone said in chat.

Let's face it, it is really hard to prove a report on a troll, unless they are being completely obvious. No one sees the games and no one could with the length of games and how many games are played. If a troll chooses to not use chat, there is no proof of what they are doing unless the game is being watched and it will make you look like the asshole for calling them out, even if it is legit.

Intentional Feeding is hard to prove unless it is obvious. I've had 2-20 games before, and I've had 0-12 games before. I wasn't feeding, just was bad. Teammates don't even know because you can't play the game and watch another person's lane. Unless someone buys something stupid like 6 pairs of tears or boots or purposely runs it down mid, you can't prove it.

Even Intentional AFK is hard to prove. Riot's remake system doesn't know when someone has left on purpose or simply just can't connect. Weather, internet connectivity and computer power are also issues that aren't intentional but a fact of life for a lot of League players. You can easily just jungle farm if you get tired of the game and wait for the enemy team to win and you can always just close the client and blame it on a computer issue. The only way you know is if someone outright says they will AFK.

Just something interesting to think of and kind of shows how easy it is to mask behaviors in League and why people are getting punished more than ever now for things said in chat - because it's the only thing you can prove.

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Anomander2 votes

Let's face it, it is really hard to prove a report on a troll, unless they are being completely obvious.

Consistent behavior after warnings is proof......

If a troll chooses to not use chat, there is no proof of what they are doing unless the game is being watched and it will make you look like the asshole for calling them out, even if it is legit.

If it removes a troll from the game I don't care if I am a asshole........

Intentional Feeding is hard to prove unless it is obvious. I've had 2-20 games before, and I've had 0-12 games before. I wasn't feeding, just was bad.

Actually just being bad is pretty obvious in comparison to intentionally feeding.

  1. Riot has replays....
  2. Riot has access to far more stats then we do.
  3. Consistent behavior is a determining factor. While it is alot harder to detect someone who only feed 1/10 games they still have a consistent behavior pattern that can be recognized.

Even Intentional AFK is hard to prove.

This one doesn't matter as a AFK is a AFK. it is the consistency of afking that leads to punishment and escalated punishments. It doesn't matter why you afked.

Just something interesting to think of and kind of shows how easy it is to mask behaviors in League and why people are getting punished more than ever now for things said in chat - because it's the only thing you can prove.

Yes chat is alot easier to prove. Also more people are verbally toxic then they are with gameplay. But it is not hard to prove a behavior if it is consistent which is what people get banned for not one game.(unless it is very extreme)

Great Muta1 votes

Consistent behavior after warnings is proof......

The system is automated. It cannot pick it up unless someone admits to it. How would the system determine if someone is 1-20 because they suck or are feeding unless they mentioned it or it was obvious?

If it removes a troll from the game I don't care if I am a asshole........

You insulting a troll is only going to get you in trouble.

Actually just being bad is pretty obvious in comparison to intentionally feeding.

My teammates who are watching the game don't even know, how does Riot?

Riot has replays....

They don't use any replays to make those decisions. It would take a ton of time and man power. Please find me Rioter posts mentioning using this.

Riot has access to far more stats then we do.

Probably

Consistent behavior is a determining factor. While it is alot harder to detect someone who only feed 1/10 games they still have a consistent behavior pattern that can be recognized.

Good luck if they are only feeding and don't admit it, don't make it too obvious and don't be abusive through chats.

Anomander1 votes

The system is automated.

Keep thinking that.

Not all of the system is automated. Alot of different issues are investigated by humans. Sometimes it just takes enough reports to generate a investigation.

Also even a automated system can compare positioning, cs, deaths, damage done, purchases, number of games played on said champion and another hundred stats i can't even think of to generate a pretty accurate equation to determine feeding. And they would probably tune it a bit on the safe side to eliminate false positives.

Great Muta1 votes

Keep thinking that. Not all of the system is automated. Alot of different issues are investigated by humans. Sometimes it just takes enough reports to generate a investigation.

There's a 100 million players. Look at my comment earlier today and see how unlikely that is: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/aEOw9Ir8-permabanned-with-no-warning-is-that-a-thing?comment=0004000100000000000200000002000000000000000000000001

I'm sure they do have more stats but it's not productive in any way shape or form for them to start investigating players. There's people who are still playing who have been banned over 30 times.

Anomander1 votes

There's people who are still playing who have been banned over 30 times.

Umm that is because they don't ban people they ban accounts.......

Tyler1 being the exception as he is considered a public figure due to his streaming.

Great Muta1 votes

Sometimes it just takes enough reports to generate a investigation.

This is what you said and I'm just replying to it.

Umm that is because they don't ban people they ban accounts.......

Exactly, but if you can just make another account for free, it stops mattering. Riot could literally ban my newest account and it wouldn't do me much harm at all.

Tyler1 being the exception as he is considered a public figure due to his streaming.

Yep, but if you've heard "he's reformed now" and they are likely going to lay off of him.

Anomander1 votes

Exactly, but if you can just make another account for free, it stops mattering. Riot could literally ban my newest account and it wouldn't do me much harm at all.

Umm they eventually get tired or losing their progress and get turned off by starting over....... there is always a exception to the rule.

Yep, but if you've heard "he's reformed now" and they are likely going to lay off of him.

This is based off something said by phreak on stream and has no actual bearing on his ban. If you think he will be unbanned i have some ocean front property in Utah to sell you.

Great Muta1 votes

Umm they eventually get tired or losing their progress and get turned off by starting over....... there is always a exception to the rule.

People seem to be able to get back to whatever rank they are pretty quick. qtpie has like 12 Challenger accounts, n3ac3y has a million Diamond accouints, etc.

This is based off something said by phreak on stream and has no actual bearing on his ban. If you think he will be unbanned i have some ocean front property in Utah to sell you.

I don't think he will be unbanned, but I think they are going to let up on him and stop auto-banning him on streams.

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