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Singed Guy is Getting Rightfully Penalized

rtbf76109271··115 votes·9,648 views

EDIT!!!!!!! People are going and telling him to kill himself in the comments on his youtube. DO NOT DO THIS, EVER. He doesn't deserve this for playing the game in a really dumb way and if you are reading this after leaving him a comment you are 100x worse. I deleted a youtube link since people were doing that. I meant this to be like an opinion thread, NOT A WITCH HUNT.

Lets look at the game I linked (one that went well enough which he decides to showcase it, so this is literally best case scenario) to see whats up.

At 4:00 (game time), singed comes to bot lane for the first time. His adc draven has only 5 cs, is 10% hp, and attempting to not get tower dived and get some farm. While the adc is farming at 10% hp, singed stands directly behind him at full hp. He moves further behind draven to avoid ashe w poke, letting the low hp, no farm adc tank it for him. Ashe gets greedy and tries to kill draven under tower and manages to die.

Around 17:00, singed overtakes his adc in farm, who has nearly half the farm of ashe. His bot lanes turret was the first turret to fall. Note that akali has 8 kills for his team.

27:00, singed has only participated in ONE kill, with no assists, no deaths. His only kill is ashe committing suicide under tower. His adc now has less farm than both junglers. His Akali now has 11 kills. Hecarim is getting items and now lots of kills too. The score reaches 20:25 before singed gets his 3rd kill participation

Remember this is best case where they won the game, thanks to a fed af hecarim and akali. Singed does not die the entire game because he does not participate with the team. Now I want you to picture the games that are lost, and how that makes his teammates feel especially the adc. Look at how bad his adc did trying to solo lane in a game that they actually won and even killed the enemy adc at lv3.

If you ignore the game, your team and the role you queued as, get banned. and if you think otherwise, picture this:

Someone queues as jungle, they don't take smite, choose draven, then roam mid/top and just take farm without ever fighting any enemies. Would you report them for trolling? Would you be pissed? I would be, almost everyone would be, and that's why this guy is getting banned all the time. He is a detriment to his team in every way, from screwing the adc to ignoring the rest of the fights. Regardless of if he gets some really fed solo laners to win along side, this is against summoners code and must piss off virtually every team he plays with.

Video #2, they lose and pretty bad. His entire team is mad, mostly at him for what he does.** He then reports his entire team for intentional feeding, harassment and unsportsmanlike conduct.** The enemy team apologizes in post game lobby for his trolling on their team.

223 Comments

Requiemsfire43 votes

Gotta be honest, kill participation is pretty bad throughout the game, his strategy revolves around his team being able to fight a 4v5 while he just farms all game, furthermore he forces his ADC to fight a 1v2 which is utterly absurd in so many cases.

Champion Skin7 votes

Well if the team fights 4v5... he will destroy the enemy base with ZZrot minions and Banner minion (he doesn't even necessarily have to be there)

Requiemsfire19 votes

All the while destroying his ADC in farm and exp if his opponent is good enough to freeze the wave and zone the opponent from it, you'd be lucky if your team wins a 4v5 like that. He's just relying on his team to basically carry him where as he's not really contributing all that much.

Coperos1 votes

Here's the thing. whether or not it makes logical sense is irrelevant. You might not like what I'm about to say and I might get dislike bombed but, according to the rules as they are now he shouldn't be banned. So no, he doesn't deserve this until Riot changes the rules to address this, end of discussion.

Dextix LT2 votes

He should get baned, he breaks the rules.

Coperos1 votes

No he gives an entire Paragraph in champ select, about what he's doing. He is breaking no rules.

Dextix LT3 votes

This does not make it right or is counted as communication.

I can also do the same, i will write a paragraph about how i play 6 boots teemo support.

This does not make what i am doing right, and when i ignore my team that says to not do it (Just like the troll) And i STILL do it, that counts as refusing to communicate.

HazyCloud732 votes

Playing with this guy must be an absolutely miserable experience for any adc.

Champion Skin2 votes

That depends a lot on what the ADC is playing... like Ezeral or Cait could possibly manage fine enough (especially if against Tristana or just someone who pushes into the tower instead of freezing and denying since the ADC can't walk up while it is 2v1)

Odinakos5 votes

You really cant understand how a semidecent suport can make the life of the adc hell in 2v1. Even Cait. Ez is bad example for 1v2 as he doesnt have clear and he will lose tower really fast and get outrotated.

Gosh Darn22 votes

This strategy is totally viable... IF YOUR ENTIRE TEAM AGREES TO IT AND THE TEAM COMP IS ADJUSTED ACCORDINGLY.

Don't queue for support and then double jungle/counterjungle. That's not what you queued for so you sure as hell should be punished for doing it. It completely ruins the experience for your 4 other teammates.

Miror B12 votes

Yeah, after seeing a few of the videos I've kinda changed my mind on this. People like him should deserve to be banned as they're not only complete idiots ("oh, why is my team flaming me for taking a role and then not doing any part of what it entails") but they also technically "ruin" my games. People see one guy running a support singed and basically inting on video, and immediately assume that I'm going to do the same on the likes of support ekko/lb/nasus without even seeing me play it first. I really do hope that rito cracks down on these people even more, as the less "fools" there are like this the better it is for the people who actually want to play off-meta.

Geauxx11 votes

So he's banned... for breaking meta?

rtbf7610927136 votes

Yes, breaking the meta.

And causing a 3v5 game for every team he encounters, based on what I can tell on youtube here.

Play csgo and sit in the corner until your team either wins or dies entirely. Then try to win from there, but with only dual pistols. Do they 4v5 and win sometimes? Yes. Do you sometimes even win the round alone? Maybe. But are you basically trolling, pissing off literally everyone you meet to the point that you should be banned for ruining their games and experience? Yup

EDIT: I guess this example isnt perfect because your team would just kick you from the game. But the idea is there lol

Geauxx12 votes

So punish someone because they have a different play-style that you don't agree with? The ruining games and experience is a two way street so you mine as well toss that argument out the window.

rtbf7610927125 votes

It's not a simple 2 way street. He ruins the game for 4 people at a time, negatively effecting the games of many many players. While if he deemed his games ruined from being forced to not play this style, that's just one guy

Geauxx6 votes

"we are going to toss this innocent guy to rot because most of the time it happens"

Assuming he actually ruins games for people

Now, why should he have to change his style to fit another persons opinion?

Maybe he dislikes seeing the current meta and plays his own. Punish someone because he's meta breaking is stupid, "game-ruining" experience is an opinionated statement and can be so far-fetched to fit anything.

rtbf7610927127 votes

It is not an assumption to say he ruins the experience for people. Watch his videos and keep an eye on chat. People get right pissed, even in the ones they win. In lobby they are usually still mad and either flaming or talking with the other team about his bullshit. Then he opens the stats and in one game he had 3600 damage in a game they WON. With again, the lowest kill participation in the entire game.

He isn't off meta. He is way way past the reasonable range of allowable things which "off meta" contains. He is doing all the actions which trolls do, and get the same results that trolls do. Only difference is, in his mind he isn't trolling. The effect on his team is nearly the same, which is that everyone gets mad and has their experience ruined

Poske6 votes

He is controling the resources

Something Low elo people dont understand

Having Good KDA and KP Dmg DEALT To champions arent the only ways you can influence the game

Auroramancer18 votes

At the expense of pressure on his designated role's lane opponents and at the expense of his marksman's success.

Good job, you controlled some resources, but your team is fucked. A lot of good that did...

Harvey Rabbit3 votes

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At the expense of pressure on his designated role's lane opponents and at the expense of his marksman's success.

Good job, you controlled some resources, but your team is fucked. A lot of good that did...

After thousands of games he is at the MMR he is at, so it did as much good as the other people in his MMR apparently......

I mean, this shit is the whole point of having MMR, it shouldn't even be an argument. If he is such shit, he will sink down, but he hasn't, because.... not such shit after all. And if his teams didn't frequently rage and act like babies he'd probably be higher MMR than what he is, so in that sense he is likely the best player in most of his games. Of course he should be banned for being different, though........ [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Auroramancer14 votes

The same argument can be made for players who are toxic in chat at high ELOs.

It doesn't really matter if he wins a little more games than loses. The point is that he is pissing his teammates off CONSISTENTLY, in MANY games.

Same with highly skilled flamers. They can win a lot of games, but they piss off a lot of teammates in the process, and high elo players do get punished for flaming and being toxic.

Once again, MMR has nothing to do with it.

Also remember that Player Behavior standards vary from region to region, and are generally formed by the general player population of that region, not so much Riot. Whatever region this guy plays in, the COMMUNITY of players have spoken with their reports. They don't like Support Singed players who don't actually "support" their marksmen, and Riot has dealt with it accordingy.

Elite4Runner16 votes

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So punish someone because they have a different play-style that you don't agree with? The ruining games and experience is a two way street so you mine as well toss that argument out the window.

He immediately tells his team what he is going to do and ignores their requests for him not to. He is not communicating strategy, he is forcing strategy. He intentionally does this repeatedly, despite previous corrective action by Riot.

It isn't about breaking the meta.

It isn't about having a different playstyle.

You are correct that a negative experience is a two way street, but when someone is consistently causing a negative experience, it is Riot's prerogative to take action. If punishing or banning one person who has had a chance to change their behavior prevents a negative experience for several other players, they are going to do it.

Geauxx5 votes

It is about breaking the meta, It is about a different playstyle

Maybe the communication ingame could use some work, that is a need yes.

People not accepting him doing this is mainly because they don't know what to do because it isn't something they deal with on the regular. Now, what if this was the normal meta?

Elite4Runner12 votes

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It is about breaking the meta, It is about a different playstyle

Maybe the communication ingame could use some work, that is a need yes.

People not accepting him doing this is mainly because they don't know what to do because it isn't something they deal with on the regular. Now, what if this was the normal meta?

STOP!

It isn't the gameplay

It is the repeated behavior!!

Geauxx7 votes

Behavior of what? Go into extreme detail on that. The only thing he's proven is playing a style that other people don't know and don't like so gets reported.

Elite4Runner15 votes

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He repeatedly forces a strategy despite objections from his team.

He leaves THE most team and farm dependent player on his team in a lane on their own against two enemy players.

He then returns to the lane and does a poor job of actually supporting his ADC

He does this again, and again until Riot tells him to stop, and gives him a fair warning of suspension.

He does it again.

..

Detailed enough?

If not, I'm sorry. You have officially been deemed too dense for me to continue trying to convince.

Champion Skin3 votes

He then returns to the lane and does a poor job of actually supporting his ADC

Why would that matter? Isn't that irrelevant?... unless it has become a reportable to be bad at the game?

Elite4Runner6 votes

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Why would that matter? Isn't that irrelevant?... unless it has become a reportable to be bad at the game?

When you take a statement out of context as if it has no mutual relevance to the rest of my post, sure it is irrelevant.

The fact that he opted into a sub-par support for a cheese strat that puts his teammates at a sever disadvantage, despite their requests for him to not pick that champion, then 'shows up' in lane. ... That is a little more than just being bad at the game.

And the fact that he consistently does it ...

Lionheart Lulu9 votes

Damn. Do people not understand?

Okay, I'll make it simple.

It's not about being reported for being bad. It's about with some strategy that no one usually agrees on, about leaving the person you should be supporting at bot lane in his case. His ADC the last time literally kept dying 2v1, because he never stuck around that long to put in pressure so he farms. It's not about the off meta pick, you can play Zed supp as much as anyone cares, as long as you know what you are doing, and if the team knows beforehand. He literally has to type in a paragraph explaining his actions during the game, and you have people that say "pls no" or whatever. And he ignores what those people say, and STILL do it.

Any other question? Got it?

Pyrokineticmage1 votes

{quoted}

Damn. Do people not understand?

Okay, I'll make it simple.

It's not about being reported for being bad. It's about with some strategy that no one usually agrees on, about leaving the person you should be supporting at bot lane in his case. His ADC the last time literally kept dying 2v1, because he never stuck around that long to put in pressure so he farms. It's not about the off meta pick, you can play Zed supp as much as anyone cares, as long as you know what you are doing, and if the team knows beforehand. He literally has to type in a paragraph explaining his actions during the game, and you have people that say "pls no" or whatever. And he ignores what those people say, and STILL do it.

Any other question? Got it?

Having 4 people forcing you to play a certain style is not communication either. I had a game where people wanted me to play Malphite (Som sort of stupid Yasou comp) at all costs even though I don't play him. Was a terrible game. Over time I realized that having people forcing me to play in a unfamiliar way is just bad.

Also in these types of games I get reported anyway.

Kelly K6 votes

Its not about him playing a certain style its the atmosphere he created do you not understand that negativity=Bad. Get it?

Champion Skin3 votes

He immediately tells his team what he is going to do and ignores their requests for him not to. He is not communicating strategy, he is forcing strategy. He intentionally does this repeatedly, despite previous corrective action by Riot.

And what if a top laner picks a split push champion like Tryndamere should they be banned if the other players don't want to play with a split pusher and wants to group and teamfight? Should that also be banned then since that is pretty much the same thing isn't it?

Elite4Runner6 votes

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And what if a top laner picks a split push champion like Tryndamere should they be banned if the other players don't want to play with a split pusher and wants to group and teamfight? Should that also be banned then since that is pretty much the same thing isn't it?

If he says in champion select, "I want to split push with Tryndamere" and the rest of his team does not want to go with a split pushing composition, then he does it anyways, they can REPORT him.

I am emphasizing that they would report him because this by itself is not ban-worthy.

If Riot consistently receives reports saying that he is intentionally and consistently ignoring his teammates requests for him to not pick split pushing champions, sure ... although this is a much less likely thing to be consistently reported for because there are significantly more compositions that have split pushing top laners than there are that have low farm, 1v2 ADCs

Champion Skin3 votes

If he says in champion select, "I want to split push with Tryndamere" and the rest of his team does not want to go with a split pushing composition, then he does it anyways, they can REPORT him.

Wait... does this mean that just going split push tryndamere without saying anything would be fine?

reported for because there are significantly more compositions that have split pushing top laners than there are that have low farm, 1v2 ADCs

Well it isn't for sure that the ADC will have low farm? Since some ADC's can potentially farm pretty well in a 1v2 most notably Ezeral with his low cooldown and long range Q or maybe Caitlyn with her range

Or well you could also send your ADC somewhere else like Corki mid or Vayne top or something like that and send someone less item depended bot lane

Elite4Runner3 votes

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Wait... does this mean that just going split push tryndamere without saying anything would be fine?

Actually, yes. The problem here is that you would be ignoring communication from your teammates. Insta-locking is bad too because you don't even give your team a chance for coordination.

Well it isn't for sure that the ADC will have low farm? Since some ADC's can potentially farm pretty well in a 1v2 most notably Ezeral with his low cooldown and long range Q or maybe Caitlyn with her range

Or well you could also send your ADC somewhere else like Corki mid or Vayne top or something like that and send someone less item depended bot lane

My point in this has always been that it is not a problem with his pick, his gameplay, or even his strategy in any given game, .. however, the fact that he is forcing his team to adapt to his strategy and not bending to any sort of coordination is the real problem.

This strategy could absolutely work, but it would be best if your team is willing and prepared for it.

Battlecast Sona8 votes

This is what I was waiting for.

I can't wait to watch people try to defend the second video. He seriously doesn't go bot until 5 minutes where he then steals like 15 cs from Jinx...

And at 13 minutes he calls the game (says this game is lost) and immediately starts blaming his team. He's 0/2/0 with 29 cs.

He's literally inting and then complaining about it in the games he loses, and then reporting his team for feeding/unsportsmanlike/whatever. Actual toxicity.

Dominick Destine6 votes

So the guy that all plat+ players identified as a troll was actually a troll? SHOCK GASP

It turns out that the bronzies of the boards that kept arguing that trolling is alright were completely wrong after all. Who could have possibly guessed this tremendous upset ? this is worse than Ali vs. Foreman ! (except in the LoL world)

Good find OP. Thank you for your work.

cocacolalips3 votes

The guy was ranked higher than you and was climbing. Who is bad at the game now? Rofl. You are the one trolling pal. Get good and stop whining.

it be lìke that5 votes

you are unranked and play bots/ascension lmao. who are you to even talk child?

cocacolalips2 votes
  1. I'm not the one rubbing my ego around and using it as an argument.
  2. I'm still top 2% aram playerbase with a 2k elo rating btw.
Candoodle7 votes

LOL aram playerbase look out we got a badass everyone

that has more to do with your champion pool than any actual talent

cocacolalips1 votes

I own all the champions in the game. Good try though.

I was also ranked gold in season 2 (only season I played ranked) which is the equivalent of platinum now, if you care that much, I've proven in the past that I could be top 10% of the ranked playerbase.

Dominick Destine2 votes

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I was also ranked gold in season 2 (only season I played ranked) which is the equivalent of platinum now, if you care that much, I've proven in the past that I could be top 10% of the ranked playerbase.

... "top 10%" of the ranked player base still places you at high gold. That is not impressive. Top 1-2% is Diamond. Top 0.02% Masters. Top 0.001% (Not sure if lower) = Challenger. http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution

I've read people say Challenger is only 0.02% top player base, but given that the challenger pool is so ridiculously small, I highly doubt it comprises 0.02% of the player base.

cocacolalips2 votes

Yes, but the discussion is not about me haha, I was simply responding to some guy who was apparently interested in my background, the discussion is about the singed guy, and you come around saying he is trash using his elo as an argument, when it turns out the guy might as well be as good as you. You argument is not really pertinent, that's all.

Dominick Destine2 votes

{quoted}

you come around saying he is trash

Quote the part of any of my posts where I say "He is trash"?

You cannot find it because I never said that. Your argument is garbage.

Buddelmuddel3 votes

I think his playstyle is awesome. People are just not used to it. Have you ever watched singed420? The playstyle of a singed player is just different (I post a link of one of his videos). Singed420 was probably reported 100 times for inting, until they realized that his playstyle is effective, and that he is not inting but strategically suiciding. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18vrv27O8fg

But it would be nice, if Adelheid would write in the game lobby what he will do, so that the adc knows that he has to be on his own for a large part of the game. So it will be hard for draven, but someting like a cait or ez could be on their own (or maybe even a lux, when there is a zed mid or somthing)

Generally i think it just needs a ton of games, till people realize a new play pattern. Probably at the begginings of leage, there was one guy going into the jungle, and the remaining top laner had to play against 2. and he flamed all game and reported, until after a few 1000 games now, it is the meta, because you win more games with it.

tea is sweet5 votes

Singed420 doesnt queue as support and leave his adc 1v2.

Badmagick4 votes

The difference is that this guy is playing top. He queued for top (i assume), he got top, hes playing a top champ. That is a fine way to play singed, he generally is the only champ that ppl are ok if he suicides cause that's how u play singed. The problem is when u play singed support but u completely ignore the support part.

themachamp3 votes

If this was a pro or popular streamer......he would be getting praise out the ass for innovation.

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