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Idea: People who report should also be put through behavior checking algorithms

Dehitay··1 votes·482 views

I've seen a number of people on my friends list and in the forum get punished for negative behavior that they were obviously pushed into. While I can understand that they actually did break rules and that's a logical reason to punish them, what annoys me is the idea that the person who was 10 times as horrible to them till they finally lost their cool is probly going to get away with it.

The fact that the tickets you see pop up on the forums every now and then only has one person's side of the conversation is kind of proof that Riot knows that other players are bringing out negative behavior in their victims. If people saw both sides of the conversation, it would be easier to forgive the original victim's rule breaking behavior so it's hidden on tickets.

It really seems like the best thing to do is have the system look at your own actions as well when you report somebody so that trolls can't just push people past their limits and get them punished without getting in trouble themselves. This would also encourage peolpe to keep their cool when somebody is being an obvious problem and needs to be reported.

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Pentch2 votes

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Deep Terror Nami1 votes

This would just make people afraid to report. It would result in trolls getting away with anything they want the second the other person says anything remotely reportable.

People should never be afraid to report people ruining their games.

False reports are already thrown out (and reduce that person's report weight), so why does the reporter need to get checked if people didn't feel like reporting him?

Pentch2 votes

This would just enforce positive play style since you can't get in trouble if you didn't do anything. I don't know why you would be afraid to go through a drug test if you never did drugs.

Dehitay2 votes

I personally believe there's a significant amount of people who don't report trolls due to a lack of motivation, but that's not even that important. I know enough about programming to know that this idea is likely simple to implement. It's well worth it even if it only ends up behavior checking a few hundred cases that wouldn't have been behavior checked otherwise. It's probly nothing more than function call.

behaviorCheck(report.reportingPlayer.playerID);

Also, for those of you that are saying this would discourage people from reporting. There's one of 2 things going on. Either you don't understand that this system isn't actually punishing anybody for reporting; it's just saying that if you report, you should also get put through player behavior algorithms. Or you're just naturally assuming a reporting player is just as guilty as the player they report. In which case, yeah, they should be afraid. That's kind of the point. Trolls should be afraid to report players that they trolled. And victims should be afraid of resorting to a trolls level if they want to report them. This either discourages trolls from trying to get players banned, or it encourages victims to behave themselves in response to trolls.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

I don't really disagree, but it seems unnecessary. You can accomplish this now by just reporting that person yourself. So why waste resources scanning people who didn't get reported?

Dehitay1 votes

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I don't really disagree, but it seems unnecessary. You can accomplish this now by just reporting that person yourself. So why waste resources scanning people who didn't get reported?

They don't get reported as much as you might think. There's a severe lack of faith in the system. I'm not sure about people on the forums, but I know people on my friends list have gotten punished by trolls that they didn't report themselves.

SmokedAlmonds1 votes

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They don't get reported as much as you might think. There's a severe lack of faith in the system. I'm not sure about people on the forums, but I know people on my friends list have gotten punished by trolls that they didn't report themselves.

I'm sure it happens in some amount but I have a hard time believing this is common. 4/9 people are gonna see every incident. All of which have to feel that way for someone to avoid getting reported. If anything I would say people lean more towards trigger happy. There is no down side to reporting someone and it only takes seconds and a few clicks, people have no one to blame but themselves if they aren't doing it. I guess if trolls going unreported was a common thing I might be able to get behind this idea. But its gonna take more than "i know a guy who doesn't report trolls" to convince me.

Also like nami said, scaring anyone away from reporting would probably outweigh the benefits.

AJStarhiker1 votes

The system is community driven, which means no report means you think that player's behavior is acceptable.

And why do you assume players report for nothing all the time? Or that Riot hasn't already accounted for 'nothing' reports? The already devalue report weight for people who do it for unpunishable games.

If a troll 'pushes' someone into retaliating, they should be reported. And just because you don't get the "A player you reported has been punished" message, doesn't mean they aren't getting punished.

I admit, I do miss seeing the full chat logs. It did give context to the player's behavior. Even if it didn't alway change how I would have voted it did make it easier to explain to the player better ways to have responded to specific incedences and not just the generic "Mute, Report, Move on".

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