PSA: If it's taking you a long time to get out of dishonorable, your own behavior is the cause

Karunamon·1/17/2018, 2:34:37 PM·16 votes·3,242 views

#tl;dr: Minor tox that wouldn't get you punished on an honorable account will greatly slow your progress from getting out of honor 0/1

Remember that IFS flowchart you might have seen a while ago?

https://tkwa.re/leaguereporttiers

I want to call your attention to two specific things. The large arrow on the bottom, the text within, and the bit on the lower left that says "save report for future consideration".

When you just have a bad game on an otherwise honorable account, that report is saved in the background with no punishment on your account, other than a hit to your honor progress. It's basically to ensure that if you have a really rough time and give in to the dark side urge to flame a troll, that you don't get the hammer dropped on you immediately. (But if you keep doing it, that same game will be used as reason to apply a restriction)

Here's the key thing: When you're trying to get out of honor 0 or 1, it those same reports will slow you way down. Even single bad games will slow your progress way down. Any valid report, any violation of the summoner's code? That's going to make your climb out take that much longer.

Things that won't get you out of dishonorable faster:

  • Getting honored each game
  • Spamming a ton of games without changing your behavior
  • Not playing on that account for any length of time (even years)

Things that will get you out of dishonorable faster:

  • Stopping all negative chat, passive aggression, and so on while actively playing games.

In short, if it's taking you a very long time to get out of dishonorable status, and you're playing a ton of games (reports have been seen that it can take as little as 30), it's because you're being reported for breaking the rules, and those reports have been deemed accurate.

Sources:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/nAuOABgc-getting-back-honor-level-1?comment=0002

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KHAL90oW-stuck-at-honor-zero?comment=0003

52 Comments

Troll for Trump1/17/2018, 7:31:22 PM5 votes

You cannot say with absolute certainty that poor behavior is the cause. You can say that it's a possible cause. There are many cases, even with a lack of toxicity, that can last for months. Riot doesn't disclose this information, so there's no way to tell for sure.

Second, the system doesn't get you to reform to normal, it makes you become better than normal, making it harder to "reform." Everyone is always toxic, what changes is the frequency. When you're dishonorable, and those "shields" are removed, and every instance of nonpunishable toxicity sets you back honorwise, you're unnecessarily raising the bar. You have no way of identifying what is and what isn't nonpunishable toxicity, or how subsequent reports will affect you. By threatening you with that risk, the system forces people to act unnaturally, restricting what they say to an unnatural degree.

The best way to get out of the system fast is to not type anything except super positive, fake messages, yet no normal player does that consistently. That's not reforming, that's controlling and restricting. Rather than encouraging reforming, the system punishes and suppresses toxicity. The IFS system is asinine and fails to reform the community (but yes, it "reduces" toxicity which I guess is sufficient for some people)

It's no different from any of the Lyte systems; people are just going to stop talking/use fake positive messages and spam ARAM/bots

reports have been seen that it can take as little as 30

Source? What matters is the average, not the anecdotes.

Getting honored each game

Source? Pretty sure this one is false

T4underbolt1/17/2018, 5:16:25 PM5 votes

All lies. After getting 25 chat restrictions and dropping to honor 0(not even 14 day ban) i played for 2 months straight like 5 games a day. Untill i just gave up. After around 300 games with perfect behaviour, no flaming and shit, encouraging my team not to give up, leading my team etc showing we can win im still stuck honor 0. So is my friend who was in same situation though he has honor 0 for like 3-4 months. Acting positive 100% of the games doesnt work. I gave up already. I wont be getting my honor back ever. I dont care anymore.

Gaxoo1/17/2018, 4:04:31 PM4 votes

How incredibly vague. This information is useless without hard numbers. Exactly how long does it take for punishment to go down one tier?

Auroramancer1/17/2018, 4:21:34 PM3 votes

Save report for later consideration on future reports. No punishment.

Hah. No. I got hit with a 10 game chat restriction after ONE game of very questionably negative chat behavior. No prior history of toxicity.

With regards to the title, I've been on the journey from Honor level 2-5 and 0-2. After this chat restriction, I did /mute all in every one of my games until I got back to Honor level 1. Not counting the amount of time/games where my Honor progress was locked, the climb from 0-1 was about twice as long as the climb from 4-5.

The title of your post is not correct.

Ebonbolt1/17/2018, 6:58:35 PM2 votes

Oh, please.I've been stuck in honor lvl 0 since preseason started and i barely talk in my games, and in at least half of them i don't say a single word

Vistha D Reptile1/17/2018, 5:46:41 PM2 votes

Cute, doesn't seem to apply to reality.

General Esdeath 1/18/2018, 11:29:40 AM2 votes

BUT-BUT OP I WASN'T PUNISHED AND I EVEN GOT AN HONOR LAST GAME! RIOT JUST WANTS TO KEEP ME DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE RACIST TOWARDS ME! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Kilanost1/17/2018, 4:22:28 PM1 votes

The real lesson here is don't be a dick in game lol. At least that's what I got out of it.

themachamp1/18/2018, 2:11:32 AM1 votes

well, from what it seems....the system is actually designed to keep people in honor level 0 and 1 for as long as possible. The reports are much more punishing than normal as they are weighted more heavily against you.

peateargryphon12/4/2018, 1:49:26 PM1 votes

just screw this game and play dota instead. the turbo mode is pretty fast btw.

Mafu5211/19/2018, 12:17:54 AM1 votes

I'm just kind of bummed I got an instant 14 day suspension and won't be able to play clash when it comes out :(, but I've been fine in my games hopefully I'll get my honor back soon. I like the honor system for the most part, but from what it seems the climb back to honor 2 seems pretty grueling comparatively to 2-5. I'll just have to see hopefully I get honor back ASAP im pretty positive in games so hopefully it helps :p

Xidphel1/17/2018, 5:51:32 PM1 votes

THERE it is! Been looking for that chart!