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PSA: If it's taking you a long time to get out of dishonorable, your own behavior is the cause

Karunamon··16 votes·3,242 views

#tl;dr: Minor tox that wouldn't get you punished on an honorable account will greatly slow your progress from getting out of honor 0/1

Remember that IFS flowchart you might have seen a while ago?

https://tkwa.re/leaguereporttiers

I want to call your attention to two specific things. The large arrow on the bottom, the text within, and the bit on the lower left that says "save report for future consideration".

When you just have a bad game on an otherwise honorable account, that report is saved in the background with no punishment on your account, other than a hit to your honor progress. It's basically to ensure that if you have a really rough time and give in to the dark side urge to flame a troll, that you don't get the hammer dropped on you immediately. (But if you keep doing it, that same game will be used as reason to apply a restriction)

Here's the key thing: When you're trying to get out of honor 0 or 1, it those same reports will slow you way down. Even single bad games will slow your progress way down. Any valid report, any violation of the summoner's code? That's going to make your climb out take that much longer.

Things that won't get you out of dishonorable faster:

  • Getting honored each game
  • Spamming a ton of games without changing your behavior
  • Not playing on that account for any length of time (even years)

Things that will get you out of dishonorable faster:

  • Stopping all negative chat, passive aggression, and so on while actively playing games.

In short, if it's taking you a very long time to get out of dishonorable status, and you're playing a ton of games (reports have been seen that it can take as little as 30), it's because you're being reported for breaking the rules, and those reports have been deemed accurate.

Sources:

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/nAuOABgc-getting-back-honor-level-1?comment=0002

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KHAL90oW-stuck-at-honor-zero?comment=0003

52 Comments

T4underbolt5 votes

All lies. After getting 25 chat restrictions and dropping to honor 0(not even 14 day ban) i played for 2 months straight like 5 games a day. Untill i just gave up. After around 300 games with perfect behaviour, no flaming and shit, encouraging my team not to give up, leading my team etc showing we can win im still stuck honor 0. So is my friend who was in same situation though he has honor 0 for like 3-4 months. Acting positive 100% of the games doesnt work. I gave up already. I wont be getting my honor back ever. I dont care anymore.

Karunamon4 votes

HIstorically, player support has given people information on what in their history is causing slow honor climb - so if you're serious, they'd be able to give you more info. That said, I'd bet my entire next paycheck that you did not have "perfect behavior" in those 300 games.

I want you to try something for me: Run this for a week or two and play as much as you have been. I bet you'll have climbed an honor level by the end of that time, or at least received a popup that your account status has improved.

Vistha D Reptile3 votes

or at least received a popup that your account status has improved.

That's a thing?

Karunamon2 votes

Yup.

https://i.imgur.com/xnHK14x.png

I'm almost certain there's another one but I can't find any images of it. There's also the checkpoints between each level as well.

Vistha D Reptile2 votes

Earning honor-related rewards is tied directly to the Honor level, so popups like this are not what you claim them to be.

Checkpoints are a new thing.

Karunamon2 votes

[sg-lux-2]

I have no idea what you're going on about. You seem hellbent on denying facts given your posts in this thread, so what exactly are you hoping to gain here?

Vistha D Reptile2 votes

Only punishment tiers and skipping them for severe breach of conduct are facts. Everything else is either an opinion or a theory.

Karunamon3 votes

Everything else is either an opinion or a theory.

It's not an "opinion" or a "theory" that your honor climb is greatly slowed when you show unsportsmanlike, yet not bad enough for a punishment behavior. Sources to Rioter comments are in the OP.

Vistha D Reptile4 votes

Wouldn't be the first time a Rioter not saying the truth.

Karunamon4 votes

I'm pretty sure the guy who wrote the behavior systems is more authoritative on how those systems work than a player who's salty that they're not allowed to flame people.

Vistha D Reptile1 votes

Please, I've been here back when the guy's predecessor was still around whose system chat restricted me for 16 months and not even 200 games of either not using chat or only writing "good game", "good job", "it's OK" was enough to not get further restrictions and instead getting 5x as high punishment.

Or back when Tribunal was around and I had my Honors and Badges removed following a ticket that had 5 chat logs where I literally didn't say anything in chat.

Or when I've spent the entire last season at Honor 3 without getting punished and while being spammed with honors while those that called others names were sporting Honor 5 within a month?

What makes you think that the - technically - fifth player behavior system I've seen works better or that I'd have any reason to believe it does just because somebody said so?

I mean, you can STILL intentionally feed and not get punished as long as you don't announce it in the chat.

Karunamon3 votes

What makes you think that the - technically - fifth player behavior system I've seen works better or that I'd have any reason to believe it does just because somebody said so?

Because you've been through multiple seasons of chat restricts, honor losses, and so forth, most of the player base has not, and the contents of the player behavior board lend credence to the fact that the problem is you, not Riot's behavior systems?

Vistha D Reptile1 votes

It's like you haven't read anything of what I wrote before responding.

Tell me, how having my honors removed and being presented with an "evidence" of 5 EMPTY chat logs shows I am the problem?

Or how NOT changing my behavior after getting chat restricted was THE way - instead of being "positive" as you'd think it should work - for removing them and NOT being chat restricted ever since?

Normally at this point I'd call you a "white knight", because of how blindly you are defending the system, but "white knight" is considered "toxic" here and can get you banned.

Karunamon2 votes

Tell me, how having my honors removed and being presented with an "evidence" of 5 EMPTY chat logs shows I am the problem?

If you've been punished that many times over that long of a period, you are the problem. Your behavior is what's getting you constantly in trouble. Stop rationalizing it. One bugged message doesn't change your history.

And as far as the "5 empty chat logs", let me put it bluntly: I don't believe you. Not only does that not match the max pattern of 3 I've seen on every single ban message in my time here, I've been on these boards long enough to see every shitty rationalization, every RITO PLS, every "ban system sucks", every "they started it", every whine about justified bans and honor loss when it turns out that not only was the system working as intended, the player flat-out lied to everyone to gin up sympathy. Yours sounds just like theirs, and you've not shown one shred of evidence to the contrary.

There's been one other instance that I can recall where someone got a bugged chatlog, that was a long time ago and fixed then.

What did player support tell you? Did you even contact them? Did you try asking the people that can actually give you answers?

Vistha D Reptile1 votes

{quoted} If you've been punished that many times over that long of a period, you are the problem. Your behavior is what's getting you constantly in trouble. Stop rationalizing it. One bugged message doesn't change your history.

I'll repeat myself, because you don't seem to understand what you are talking about or words you are using. The following is an INFORMATION.

My behaviour at the time was either not using chat at all for months. That didn't make chat restrictions stop. Then I resorted to only using phrases like "gg", "good game", "good job", "keep up the good work, mate", etc. Again no 'positive' reaction from the system. At that point I gave up and resorted back to giving credit where it's due as I always did. By that I mean calling out idiocy when I seen one.

ONLY then restrictions stopped and there was exactly zero actions about my behaviour from the system.

This isn't "rationalizing" anything, because this is exactly what happened at the time. A fact.

One bugged message doesn't change your history.

And as far as the "5 empty chat logs", let me put it bluntly: I don't believe you. Not only does that not match the max pattern of 3 I've seen on every single ban message in my time here, I've been on these boards long enough to see every shitty rationalization, every RITO PLS, every "ban system sucks", every "they started it", every whine about justified bans and honor loss when it turns out that not only was the system working as intended, the player flat-out lied to everyone to gin up sympathy.

I checked your profile and knew this will come up eventually.

See, you've been here for "long enough to see every shitty rationalization" - which as I mentioned above in my case is just an information - but not long enough to know what Tribunal was.

Actually I bet you don't even know who "Lyte" was.

The Tribunal system was showing complete chat logs from games - not just cherry-picked lines written by the accused - in a number of 5 matches where the person allegedly exhibited toxic behaviour. Those chat logs, without names, were made public for peer review by other players who then voted whenever person in question should get punished or not.

Yours sounds just like theirs, and you've not shown one shred of evidence to the contrary.

See, I was here long before you did and I know exactly there is no reason to plead here for anything, because even when you are right, you will be shunned. Just like you're doing now, because of your own ignorance.

I'm merely stating facts, not pleading for my case.

There's been one other instance that I can recall where someone got a bugged chatlog, that was a long time ago and fixed then.

A year ago is not "a long time ago". I guess it's relative though.

What did player support tell you? Did you even contact them? Did you try asking the people that can actually give you answers?

Tell me about what? About that bugged case from 2013?

You're asking tough questions. I couldn't possibly remember if any of those countless bot responses were about that Tribunal case.

T4underbolt1 votes

Jokes on you. 1 week after chat restirctions finished i got that pop up with honor unlocked. And yes i was perfect. Literally sweet to the point you could puke but i did that as people suggested but being nice and positive doesnt work. Once this system cucks you, there is no come back.

Troll for Trump5 votes

You cannot say with absolute certainty that poor behavior is the cause. You can say that it's a possible cause. There are many cases, even with a lack of toxicity, that can last for months. Riot doesn't disclose this information, so there's no way to tell for sure.

Second, the system doesn't get you to reform to normal, it makes you become better than normal, making it harder to "reform." Everyone is always toxic, what changes is the frequency. When you're dishonorable, and those "shields" are removed, and every instance of nonpunishable toxicity sets you back honorwise, you're unnecessarily raising the bar. You have no way of identifying what is and what isn't nonpunishable toxicity, or how subsequent reports will affect you. By threatening you with that risk, the system forces people to act unnaturally, restricting what they say to an unnatural degree.

The best way to get out of the system fast is to not type anything except super positive, fake messages, yet no normal player does that consistently. That's not reforming, that's controlling and restricting. Rather than encouraging reforming, the system punishes and suppresses toxicity. The IFS system is asinine and fails to reform the community (but yes, it "reduces" toxicity which I guess is sufficient for some people)

It's no different from any of the Lyte systems; people are just going to stop talking/use fake positive messages and spam ARAM/bots

reports have been seen that it can take as little as 30

Source? What matters is the average, not the anecdotes.

Getting honored each game

Source? Pretty sure this one is false

Karunamon2 votes

You cannot say with absolute certainty that poor behavior is the cause.

I absolutely can, because there are literally two variables that tie into honor and no others:

  • Valid reports
  • Honoring after games.

If you're catching reports, that slows you down. If you're not getting honor, that slows you down. Simple. Do you have any evidence to suggest there are any others?

Everyone is always toxic

Laughably false given the low overall percentage of players that wind up with restrictions on their accounts.

When you're dishonorable, and those "shields" are removed, and every instance of nonpunishable toxicity sets you back honorwise, you're unnecessarily raising the bar.

The bar is raised on purpose. "Honor" is a state of being better than "normal". When you have pissed that status away by being unable to control yourself, it can and should take greater-than-normal amounts of effort to regain that status.

Rather than encouraging reforming, the system punishes and suppresses toxicity.

What exactly is the substantial difference between those two things? "Reformed" as used here means "no longer committing acts in violation of the summoner's code". Riot doesn't, and shouldn't, care about your mental state, what you do behind the keyboard, or what you do on stream. What Riot does care about is how your behavior impacts the experience of others in the game, the same way literally every other sport has rules about unsportsmanlike behavior.

If you're not being toxic in chat or inting, that's all that's necessary. The fact that all these reward systems are necessary to provide incentives to not act like a douchebag is saddening.

Troll for Trump3 votes

Do you have any evidence to suggest there are any others?

There are always hidden factors Riot won't disclose. We have to speculate. Do you have any evidence that confirms those two are the only factors?

Other factors: Games played, for sure. The system needs to check if you reformed. It needs some number of games to tell whether or not you're toxic.

Laughably false given the low overall percentage of players that wind up with restrictions on their accounts.

You need to read things in context. All players are toxic. Not punishable toxic, but "Valid reports that don't lead to punishments" or "marks" on their accounts. Things we can't see. Times when people have bad days.

Don't pull words out of other's mouths

The bar is raised on purpose. "Honor" is a state of being better than "normal". When you have pissed that status away by being unable to control yourself, it can and should take greater-than-normal amounts of effort to regain that status.

Honor is not a state of being better than normal. Honor is a scale to determine what state you are relative to other people. 0-1 is worse, hence dishonorable, 2 is "Average/neutral" and 3/4/5 are better than normal. So no, it shouldn't take a lot of effort to become 2, which is the default honor.

Does it? Yes. Should it? No.

What exactly is the substantial difference between those two things? "Reformed" as used here means "no longer committing acts in violation of the summoner's code". Riot doesn't, and shouldn't, care about your mental state, what you do behind the keyboard, or what you do on stream. What Riot does care about is how your behavior impacts the experience of others in the game, the same way literally every other sport has rules about unsportsmanlike behavior.

If you're not being toxic in chat or inting, that's all that's necessary. The fact that all these reward systems are necessary to provide incentives to not act like a douchebag is saddening.

First, don't compare League to other spots. Faulty analogy. Otherwise the system would actually be more lenient on minor-scale toxicity. The difference is that Riot isn't actually fixing the community. If you want the game to stop being toxic, you need to actually reform the players, not just suppress them; otherwise, when you introduce things like pings or emotes, you will have people using those as outlets; if Riot wants to truly improve their community, they will want to reform their players.

It's not as black and white as "Acting like a douchebag." Your very comment, and the passive-aggressive attitude behind it could very well be considered being a douchebag, but for you, you feel justified.

What defines toxicity really? Riot keeps shifting the scale. From past seasons until now, Riot has constantly increased the sensitivity of the system, especially when Lyte came around.

It's pretty hard to not "act like a douchebag." Everyone does, not all the time. And because everyone does, they are toxic. Otherwise, you wouldn't have toxicity in basically every game of League, in some way.

It's that simple, there's really no need to jump through loops.

Karunamon2 votes

{quoted}

Do you have any evidence that confirms those two are the only factors?

Yes let me just confirm a negative for you [slayer-jinx-unamused]

You need to read things in context. All players are toxic.

Wrong.

Honor is not a state of being better than normal. Honor is a scale to determine what state you are relative to other people. 0-1 is worse, hence dishonorable, 2 is "Average/neutral" and 3/4/5 are better than normal. So no, it shouldn't take a lot of effort to become 2, which is the default honor.

I disagree, and so do the people that designed the system. You're started 2 for the same reason ranked placement assumes middle Silver - you have to start somewhere.

First, don't compare League to other spots. Faulty analogy. Otherwise the system would actually be more lenient on minor-scale toxicity.

It is. You have to show a lot of minor scale toxicity before you even get so much as a chat restrict. The loss of honor is your wakeup call.

The difference is that Riot isn't actually fixing the community. If you want the game to stop being toxic, you need to actually reform the players, not just suppress them; otherwise, when you introduce things like pings or emotes, you will have people using those as outlets; if Riot wants to truly improve their community, they will want to reform their players.

Riot's job is to create a sportsmanlike environment to play a game, not to deal with the psychological issues of their players. That means weeding out the bad apples. They already give you a nudge on the shoulder rather than a one-and-done, and in my opinion, that's already way too much.

It's not as black and white as "Acting like a douchebag." Your very comment, and the passive-aggressive attitude behind it could very well be considered being a douchebag, but for you, you feel justified.

[sg-miss-fortune]

What defines toxicity really? Riot keeps shifting the scale. From past seasons until now, Riot has constantly increased the sensitivity of the system, especially when Lyte came around.

Source?

It's pretty hard to not "act like a douchebag." Everyone does, not all the time. And because everyone does, they are toxic.

It's that simple, there's really no need to jump through loops.

Stop projecting your behavior onto strangers. Most of us have no issues not flaming people in games.

Troll for Trump3 votes

Yes let me just confirm a negative for you

You're the one who made the claim that those two were specifically the only factor. Please provide evidence. If not, then retract the statement.

Wrong.

You REALLY NEED to read things in context

I disagree, and so do the people that designed the system. Source?

Again, I disagree. It's an opinion. It won't change the system, but I can still disagree with it.

It is. You have to show a lot of minor scale toxicity before you even get so much as a chat restrict. The loss of honor is your wakeup call.

No, most sports don't punish you for even consistent minor-scale toxicity. Not to the degree League does. Again, it's a bad analogy, so I'll stop talking about it.

Riot's job is to create a sportsmanlike environment to play a game, not to deal with the psychological issues of their players. That means weeding out the bad apples. They already give you a nudge on the shoulder rather than a one-and-done, and in my opinion, that's already way too much.

I disagree, but fair enough.

Your very comment, and the passive-aggressive attitude behind it could very well be considered being a douchebag

You're proving my point. Please drop the passive-aggressive attitude.

Source?

They don't explicitly say making it more sensitive, but they use different terminology:

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/player-behavior/instant-feedback-powers Here, Lyte and the PB team not only speed up the process (which I'm assuming leads to less elbow room before punishment hits) , but also decided that "the instant feedback system’s now ready to help reform more mild, but persistent negative behaviors with chat and ranked restrictions." So, before the IFS wouldn't punish the "persistently minor-level toxicity" that I mentioned before.

https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/player-behavior/upgrading-tribunal

Here they make a system that's much more faster, in addition to issuing more "aggressive and severe consequences" to players deemed toxic by the system.

They don't make it "sensitive." My bad on the word choice. They made it automated, reduced wriggle room, increased the severity of penalties, and increased the qualifications for toxicity.

Stop projecting your behavior onto strangers. Most of us have no issues not flaming people in games.

It's not projecting. Most people easily become toxic. You don't have to flame to be toxic, either. Toxicity comes in a ton of forms. It also changes from person to person, with some people getting tilted by the most innocuous things while others are ok with freely flood the chat with profanity.

Karunamon2 votes

You're the one who made the claim that those two were specifically the only factor. Please provide evidence. If not, then retract the statement.

The "evidence" is that there are two things that affect honor - reports (in that the people who make the system are on record per my OP) and clicking the name after the game (in that it's the only thing that adds to your honor).

That is the information we have. If you take issue with that verifiable information, it's up to you to substantiate those issues, not my job to disprove whatever you pulled out of your ass.

You REALLY NEED to read things in context

What context would make the UTTERLY FALSE statement "all players are toxic" different?

You're proving my point. Please drop the passive-aggressive attitude.

You quoted your own words there, buddy. Perhaps take your own advice?

You don't have to flame to be toxic, either. Toxicity comes in a ton of forms.

We can break those "ton of forms" into two, and only two, major categories: chat tox and gameplay tox.

No matter what forms chat tox takes, the way to respond to it is the same. Mute and report. Flaming, passive aggression, whatever, nothing changes.

Gameplay tox is a pain because it's difficult to police in the same way that chat tox is. Even a high school student could write a chat filter, but actually parsing out game data to determine if that person playing horribly was doing it on purpose or just having an awful game? That's rough - and false positives are to be avoided at all costs.

Troll for Trump2 votes

That is the information we have. If you take issue with that verifiable information, it's up to you to substantiate those issues, not my job to disprove whatever you pulled out of your ass.

Again with the uneeded toxicity. Please refrain from being so passive-aggressive, that behavior is detrimental to the community. There is, and always has been evidence of hidden factors in the game. Riot openly admits this by saying they intentionally don't disclose full information about the IFS to the playerbase so they can't abuse it.

Common sense dictates that games played will have an impact on how quickly you reform in terms of time/days; if you're a positive, reforming player and you play 20 games a day, compared to a positive, reforming player who plays 1 game a day, the first player will obvious reform faster.

Therefore you cannot say that those two are the only factors.

What context would make the UTTERLY FALSE statement "all players are toxic" different?

The fact that I never once defined toxicity as being punished by the system. Even later in the post I define toxicity, but you don't address it with this comment. It looks like you're reading my post, and, as you read, you just type in replies before finishing the text.

You quoted your own words there, buddy. Perhaps take your own advice?

I can't quote a sticker. Again, please drop the passive-aggressive attitude. You're starting to get nearer to the levels of harassment. Kindly lay off the aggression.

We can break those "ton of forms" into two, and only two, major categories: chat tox and gameplay tox.

Pings, holding people hostage in queue, instalocking, premade "bullying," holding people hostage by not ffing, trolling people by ffing unecessarily (premade), going off-meta without team consent (autofill common case), being autofilled, and many more.

There are a ton of sources of toxicity in this game outside of how you play your character and what you type in chat.

It doesn't matter what form it is in, toxicity still exists, and every normal player will exert that toxicity.

To connect this to the original point: Riot is essentially asking for players to reform by removing all traces of toxicity.

This is unrealistic because all players are toxic. The system_ should be_ changed so it's easier to reform.

Another thing that could be done is for them to again set back the aggressiveness in the IFS (as mentioned previously) so it's less trigger-happy. There are so many "toxic" people that aren't remotely close to the people using slurs, but they end up getting lumped together. Punishment should be reserved for the worst of the worst; Riot shouldn't have lowered that bar.

Gaxoo4 votes

How incredibly vague. This information is useless without hard numbers. Exactly how long does it take for punishment to go down one tier?

Jo0o10 votes

The chart is as specific as the information the community has access to.

Chermorg4 votes

And will ever have access to - as there are no “hard numbers”. There is no exact. It is all dependent on the person, their behavior, their punishment tier, their activity, and time passed.

LittleMonst3r1 votes

dependent on false reports, that are given all the time just from being fucked in lane by the enemy opponent because of pussies reporting them.

Umbral Regent4 votes

This information is useless without hard numbers.

Of course it's going to be vague - Riot doesn't give us any hard numbers on the Player Behavior systems (IFS & Honor) because knowing the math of the systems would only result in players gaming it, or - in the case of Honor - gamifying it.

People shouldn't be looking for "how long/how many matches do I have to act nice to lower punishment tiers/regain honor" - they should be looking for what got them punished or what's holding them back and trying to fix it.

That all said, this information isn't useless just because we don't have hard numbers. Even the vaguest, broadest sense of how the system works is useful information, and the info in the main post is actually pretty narrowed down.

YerroFever3 votes

{quoted}

How incredibly vague. This information is useless without hard numbers. Exactly how long does it take for punishment to go down one tier?

Riot hasn't given out hard numbers. The only thing that I can recall Riot specifically stating is that on average, for a 2 week ban it takes the average reformed player about 3 months to get out of dishonorable status. Another post stated 3-6 months. I haven't seen a red post about chat restrictions.

Based on what I have read from reds and based on the patterns observed on the boards from player posts regarding their own honor status, the red's statement that the determination of how long you are in dishonorable is determined by your own behavior seems to correlate with the player posts. The more toxic I see people post in response to others in their threads tends to directly relate to how long their dishonorable status lasts.

Someone said they got out of dishonorable after a month or two. Others have said they have still been dishonorable for 6 months. So unfortunately, we can't really draw any reliable formulas as to how long it takes because there are too many hidden variables. Often, I have seen players lie about their behavior or punishment on the forums or they don't ask for that information in support tickets so they don't have the information to give us so we don't have the data to try and reverse engineer the system. This is probably better anyway because then people might just use it to abuse the system. Micro aggressions everywhere which just make the game annoying AF to play.

Karunamon1 votes

That information will never be released because people will game it.

What you should aim to do is stop flaming, rather than making a concerted effort to stop flaming until you get your honor back.

Auroramancer3 votes

Save report for later consideration on future reports. No punishment.

Hah. No. I got hit with a 10 game chat restriction after ONE game of very questionably negative chat behavior. No prior history of toxicity.

With regards to the title, I've been on the journey from Honor level 2-5 and 0-2. After this chat restriction, I did /mute all in every one of my games until I got back to Honor level 1. Not counting the amount of time/games where my Honor progress was locked, the climb from 0-1 was about twice as long as the climb from 4-5.

The title of your post is not correct.

Karunamon2 votes

Hah. No. I got hit with a 10 game chat restriction after ONE game of very questionably negative chat behavior. No prior history of toxicity.

"Prior history of toxicity" isn't defined by you, it's defined by Riot and the IFS. You absolutely did not receive a 10 game chat restriction for putting your toe out of line for the first time ever. In fact, I'd be willing to bet your popup had more than one game in it.

Not counting the amount of time/games where my Honor progress was locked, the climb from 0-1 was about twice as long as the climb from 4-5.

As well it should be. It takes longer to get out of bad status to good status than from good status to great status.

Chermorg5 votes

Note that if the player got one chat restriction, they would not be honor level 0 - thus they are lying somewhere. They either got multiple chat restrictions, or got a 14 day suspension (and not a chat restriction).

Karunamon2 votes

Ah, is my info bad? I thought that the moment you get a punishment of any kind, your honor is gone. That's also what the wording on the first thing a player can get, a 10 game chat restrict, reads like.

Chermorg4 votes

Chat restrictions drop you to Honor 1 - unless you’re already at Honor 1, in which case they drop you to Honor 0.

Auroramancer1 votes

You're right, I confused the time of having my Honor progress locked out as being honor level 0, and also confused having my Honor progress restored to having upgraded from 0 to 1

Auroramancer1 votes

In fact, I'd be willing to bet your popup had more than one game in it.

I can assure you there was literally only one game, and it was the last game I had played. It was immediate.

I even sent in a support ticket because the popup didn't show up until my next login. When they sent me relevant chat logs, it was only the one game.

FaTa1L1 votes

{quoted}

Hah. No. I got hit with a 10 game chat restriction after ONE game of very questionably negative chat behavior. No prior history of toxicity.

With regards to the title, I've been on the journey from Honor level 2-5 and 0-2. After this chat restriction, I did /mute all in every one of my games until I got back to Honor level 1. Not counting the amount of time/games where my Honor progress was locked, the climb from 0-1 was about twice as long as the climb from 4-5.

The title of your post is not correct.

How many games did u take from 0 to 1?

Vistha D Reptile2 votes

Cute, doesn't seem to apply to reality.

Jo0o2 votes

Compelling point.

Ebonbolt2 votes

Oh, please.I've been stuck in honor lvl 0 since preseason started and i barely talk in my games, and in at least half of them i don't say a single word

Karunamon3 votes

You should send player support a ticket. I'd bet anything you're not being as sportsmanlike as you think you are...

Ebonbolt2 votes

Well how bad can it be considering i simply do not talk in chat other than calling summs or X objective? I only ever talk in chat when playing with friends but i mainly play solo.And btw, i got banned(no prior bans or chat restrictions) after exactly 1 game when i was playing with some friends.My chat highlights of that game were calling my friend a jew and saying "kys riot".

I know that the system can't know the context and that normally it would be correct, however, that is why it should not automatically ban people.A chat restriction is the most it should be able to do.

General Esdeath 2 votes

BUT-BUT OP I WASN'T PUNISHED AND I EVEN GOT AN HONOR LAST GAME! RIOT JUST WANTS TO KEEP ME DOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE RACIST TOWARDS ME! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Kilanost1 votes

The real lesson here is don't be a dick in game lol. At least that's what I got out of it.

Xidphel1 votes

THERE it is! Been looking for that chart!

themachamp1 votes

well, from what it seems....the system is actually designed to keep people in honor level 0 and 1 for as long as possible. The reports are much more punishing than normal as they are weighted more heavily against you.

Mafu5211 votes

I'm just kind of bummed I got an instant 14 day suspension and won't be able to play clash when it comes out :(, but I've been fine in my games hopefully I'll get my honor back soon. I like the honor system for the most part, but from what it seems the climb back to honor 2 seems pretty grueling comparatively to 2-5. I'll just have to see hopefully I get honor back ASAP im pretty positive in games so hopefully it helps :p

peateargryphon11 votes

just screw this game and play dota instead. the turbo mode is pretty fast btw.

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