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Why do I have to get punished for other people who will clearly troll?

OatheSworn··1 votes·1,829 views

Went into queue for ranked and got into champion select. A guy asks me what I'm going for mid and I say 'Zed'. He immediately bans Zed then starts talking about how hard he will feed in game. His reasoning was that he was on a 'smurf' and that he was 'drunk as fuck' so he didn't 'give a shit'. I waited until the last second hoping he would dodge but he didn't so I had to leave queue. I got punished for dodging a queue with an obvious troll. How is this fair? What are you even supposed to do when this happens? If you go into game, you will lose 20 or so LP but if you dodge you lose 3. Losing 3 is the obvious choice but why should I get an LP deduction for this guy's behavior?

[EDIT] The punishment was LP loss, I'm sitting at -3 LP because of this. I'm at that part in ranked where you win a few games, then go on an insane tilt streak, nearly get demoted, climb out of this and then start losing again so right now every single LP is important. Even -3 to me is huge so getting forced to dodge like this is really upsetting me and what makes it worse is the guy got off scot free.

17 Comments

FOR JUSTICE3 votes

He got off scott free because you dodged though. 99% of the "trolls" in game don't actually follow through, so instead they force your dodges, like so.

And even if he did, you report him for griefing and move on.

OatheSworn1 votes

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He got off scott free because you dodged though. 99% of the "trolls" in game don't actually follow through, so instead they force your dodges, like so.

And even if he did, you report him for griefing and move on.

Yes, because I would risk 20 LP hoping that he won't troll. Also, did you just completely skip a section? I said every bit of LP counts at the moment and i'd rather lose 3 than 20 but if I do this, I have no way of reporting so either option is bad for me.

Sarutobi2 votes

He got off scottfree because of you. Sadly thats just how it works right now. If you can find a better solution that cannot be easily abused then by all means let Riot know. If he was going to troll and did, you have so much evidence and it would help the system improve and catch him quicker. If it was just a rues then it wouldnt have matter since he wouldnt have trolled despite saying he would. I would have still reported, but thats just me. Dodging a queue solves nothing and just makes matters worse as it would leave the person actually trolling to continue to do so. Whereas you can report them and get them punished!

OatheSworn1 votes

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He got off scottfree because of you. Sadly thats just how it works right now. If you can find a better solution that cannot be easily abused then by all means let Riot know. If he was going to troll and did, you have so much evidence and it would help the system improve and catch him quicker. If it was just a rues then it wouldnt have matter since he wouldnt have trolled despite saying he would. I would have still reported, but thats just me. Dodging a queue solves nothing and just makes matters worse as it would leave the person actually trolling to continue to do so. Whereas you can report them and get them punished!

This isn't a solution for me at all. May help in the long run but that doesn't help me or anyone else unfortunate enough to be placed in queue with him until he is caught. So you are expecting me and other people purposely go into a game with a troll and take the loss, all for the report. Completely unfair for the normal players who have to lose something in order to get this guy off the games.

zPOOPz1 votes

Because Rito cannot punish him until he actually did the trolling (banning a teammate's intended pick is NOT punishable)

OatheSworn1 votes

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Because Rito cannot punish him until he actually did the trolling (banning a teammate's intended pick is NOT punishable)

What I'm talking about is how is it fair for people like me who are randomly placed into queue with him having to lose LP for no other reason then the troll and bad luck?

zPOOPz1 votes

Because matchmaking cannot accurately predict when someone will troll.

Life is unfair. The other day, my friend went to work smoothly and on time. i left 10 minutes after he did and got stuck in traffic for 2 hours because a car accident happened and my friend got through before the police got there. There's no reason to cry about it. Someone hit the queue 5 seconds before you did and missed him. So what?

Also, just because he said he will troll does not mean he will in-game. I've had several games where someone claim they will int and picked an off-meta champ to end up wrecking his lane in-game. You don't know if he truly will troll until he did and Rito cannot justifiably punish someone until they actually did the deed.

OatheSworn1 votes

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Because matchmaking cannot accurately predict when someone will troll.

Life is unfair. The other day, my friend went to work smoothly and on time. i left 10 minutes after he did and got stuck in traffic for 2 hours because a car accident happened and my friend got through before the police got there. There's no reason to cry about it. Someone hit the queue 5 seconds before you did and missed him. So what?

Also, just because he said he will troll does not mean he will in-game. I've had several games where someone claim they will int and picked an off-meta champ to end up wrecking his lane in-game. You don't know if he truly will troll until he did and Rito cannot justifiably punish someone until they actually did the deed.

You seem very insistent on believing it won't happen. I'm pretty sure any logical person would think that if a player begins cursing before the game starts for no reason, bans teammates' picks on purpose, admits to being under the influence, and starts spamming in chat things like: go ahead and report me, I don't care, I'm drunk as fuck, I don't give a shit, I'm trolling; they are being completely serious. Especially if they decide to seal the deal with Wukong support.

My idea for flagging is to alert the system of a potentially negative player. Once that's confirmed, they will be moved to a separate queue status with other people of the type.

zPOOPz2 votes

No, I believe it happens. I've had more trolls, inters, flamers, afk, and any combination of the list than I care to count (been playing since Season 3). I've had people claimed they will troll and int in champ select and they actually did in game. I've seen it all. I simply gave you an example that even if someone claim they will troll. There is not 100% chance that they will follow through with it. And until someone actually did in-game, Rito cannot punish them for something they have not done.

Your idea is a variation of a prisoner's island and Rito is adamant about not implement any such thing. Also, how do you "confirmed" if you dodge the game? They never had the chance to troll so there is nothing to confirm.

OatheSworn1 votes

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No, I believe it happens. I've had more trolls, inters, flamers, afk, and any combination of the list than I care to count (been playing since Season 3). I've had people claimed they will troll and int in champ select and they actually did in game. I've seen it all. I simply gave you an example that even if someone claim they will troll. There is not 100% chance that they will follow through with it. And until someone actually did in-game, Rito cannot punish them for something they have not done.

Your idea is a variation of a prisoner's island and Rito is adamant about not implement any such thing. Also, how do you "confirmed" if you dodge the game? They never had the chance to troll so there is nothing to confirm.

The flagging option would have lots of choices for what to flag for such as: threatening to troll, rude or abrasive behavior, foul language, etc. Flagging wouldn't do anything but keep another record of the player in match making so that the system has more information on what kind of player they are. It would be alert for reports to that player with things like 'Intentional Feeding' or 'Leaving the Game/AFK or anything else that is associated with whatever they got flagged by. Continuous honorable behavior would remove them from the flagged queue.

This is just a scenario:

  • [Summoner 1] is exceedingly rude in the champion select chat while talking of trolling and feeding.
  • [Summoner 2] in the queue flags [Summoner 1] for 'Threatening to troll, Rude/Abrasive behavior.
  • Going into game with [Summoner 1] or dodging is up to each person but now the player knows that [Summoner 1] is tagged by the system and will be placed in a separate queue if this kind of behavior continues.

The system now has something else to go to instead of just end-game reports. If the things that the player was flagged by in match making and reports at the end-game screen match, they will be moved to the flagged queue until more honorable behavior is shown (not being flagged/reported). So flagging is only for putting people into flagged queue but does not do anything until multiple reports match up with the flags. That way, the negative players will be removed from the general community and if they run into someone who does the same thing there, they will understand what they were doing to others and strive to be honorable so that they can return to normal queue. Basically teaching: Don't do to others what you don't want done to you. This could hopefully prevent permabans while changing a negative player's behavior at the same time.

Sarutobi1 votes

But he cant get caught if you dont report him, and that can only happen when you actually play with him thats just the reality of it! Its not unfair we could just report any person, do you know how abusive that would be?

OatheSworn1 votes

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But he cant get caught if you dont report him, and that can only happen when you actually play with him thats just the reality of it! Its not unfair we could just report any person, do you know how abusive that would be?

I was hoping Riot could add a 'Flag' feature so you can flag people in champion select before you dodge. It would be a similar system as reports but would essentially make it so people who are correctly flagged be placed in queue with other flagged players.

Sarutobi1 votes

Which is something they are against. They dont want to do things like a Punishment Island, as it wouldnt actually help solve the problem. Dumping people like that wouldnt help, the whole point is to try and change people for the better. And again like with the report it could be heavily abused. Whats stopping someone from just false flagging someone just to get a free dodge? Bad team comp, or enemy team just flag one random person and free dodge.

Totalwanabe1 votes
  1. take the 20 lp gamble and write a case review
  2. dodge and eat the lp lose
  3. Printscreen
Arammus1 votes

stupid idea imo

Cynikul1 votes

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stupid idea imo

Wait, there's another solution than to one of these 3?

Enlighten me about a magical 4th option other than this.

Arammus1 votes

anything that does NOT involve riotgames support is a better solution when it comes to dealing with trolls.

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