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I'm so sick of the people playing this game

OatheSworn·9/5/2018, 7:23:08 AM·17 votes·6,064 views

I finally lost my cool after about 150+ games, I've tried Riot. I've ignored tons of hate, vulgar language, toxic flamings, trolling, AFKs, and intentional feeders, all in order to turn over a new leaf, but I've finally reached my limit. I snapped one game and called a toxic flamer with all the above descriptions a 'bastard' and that was enough to kill my honor.

I'm not going to defend my actions, I was wrong, but if you asked me whether I'd do it again--my answer would not be an outright 'no'. I'm tired of muting everyone every match, I'm playing a supposedly team-oriented game, but I have to intentionally isolate myself from them and prevent any sort of communication because this is how the community behaves?

I'm pressing the report button daily, if not every other game. It's gotten to the point where I'm actually getting tired of it and no matter what you say Riot, the report button is not doing its job. Ranked is filled to the brim with intentionally feeding, toxic, and overall negative players. If I had to make a list--actually I'll do so right now:

  • Feeding
  • Trolling
  • Toxicity
  • Ping spam
  • Chat spam
  • Blaming
  • Flaming
  • AFK'ing
  • Intentionally leaving a teammate to die
  • Giving up because of a single death
  • Opening lane because of a single death
  • Sitting in fountain because of a single death
  • Surrendering a perfectly winnable game at 15 minutes for no viable reason
  • Intentionally AFK farming to hinder the team
  • Vulgar language
  • Lying about teammate's actions on [All] chat for negative reasons
  • Revealing an ally's position intentionally in order to assist the enemy team
  • Intentionally banning an ally's pick
  • Stealing an ally's position
  • Running down lane
  • Intentionally building a champion in a way that is not viable to purposely lose
  • Playing a first-time champion in Ranked
  • Refusing to communicate with the team in any way for negative reasons
  • Refusing to assist the team in any way
  • Refusing to take responsibility for one's actions
  • Purposely hindering ally team because of an internal dispute
  • Intentionally putting the game to a halt to engage in a 'chat war' with allies, enemies, or both

These are just some things that immediately pop into my head when I think about the last 150+ games. I can't even stress how useless the mute button is--in fact, it's actually a hindrance that disrupts team flow. How are you supposed to set up plays, share information, or simply converse if you can't even see a reply? League is a social game and I don't see how removing that is considered a 'good idea'. Pings can only do so much and even then, I see myself muting pings as often as I mute chat because I'm sick of seeing the ? every single time I make a misplay.

Maybe it's just me, I don't know. I might just be extremely unfortunate to run into as many negative players as I have, but my patience has a limit. It takes quite a bit to anger me and I guess each game full of negativity slowly chipped away at it until today. Maybe it was the frustration of my situation, normally I would not have lashed out like that, but today was different. It's difficult to take that much verbal abuse and sit quiet. I'm overall not just losing my patience over the people playing the game, but the game itself.

30 Comments

Morgana Ultima9/6/2018, 7:55:53 AM5 votes

Based upon what I've seen posted on these boards if you're a person with emotions who dislikes watching people with 5 tears and mobi boots running it down mid in your ranked game and you say anything remotely mean to that person then you're essentially Hitler.

Somebody destroying hours of your hard work intentionally and you tell them to fuck off? Well you're just about the worst and most evil person to ever walk the earth. Your honor should be destroyed and your account banned. Hell, I'm surprised we're not calling the police on you too.

Dizzaztir9/5/2018, 7:33:59 AM4 votes

This is literally the discussion I'm attempting to start right now.

I shouldn't have to quit the game, nor should I have to mute every person during every game in order to cover the fact that I may be having a bad night and say something negative. In fact, I was once told I was not allowed to call a person who annoyed me in a match (and was in fact ranked B5) "bronze" as it was offensive. I recieved a deserved ban during that for much worse that I called them, but the fact that calling them Bronze was even mentioned when they were in fact Bronze I found hilarious.

At this point I feel it needs to be discussed publicly and no more accepting Rioters making apologetic half assed 'we're working on it' posts on reddit or the forums.

PressureWhat9/5/2018, 1:04:09 PM3 votes

You will almost never face any punishment for any in-game behavior (int'ing, griefing, w/e). It has to be SEVERE to ever get punished. Slip up once and call someone a name and you'll get restricted.

woodvsmurph9/5/2018, 4:02:46 PM3 votes

I've been there. Some games I still am. I told one guy at Riot to ask himself how someone can be honor 5 on pbe and honor 0 on regular (and here's the key part) - without ever treating people differently when presented the same situations.

So the answer must be that the players are different. That you don't have a million trolls, mindlessly toxic flamers (there is some small amount that can be deserved - I'll explain below), and intentional feeders (be it hard inting or soft inting). This is the only explanation for how one can be honor 5 pbe and honor 0 in regular ranked lol while treating people the same way when presented with the same situation.

First off, let me dispel what most are thinking about me right now.... kda does not equal inting or carrying. It CAN BE an indicator, but is not always an accurate one. Just look at Impact the past few seasons or further back Darien for Moscow 5 if you've been a longtime fan. Their kda is often poor. Their kill participation may be low. They might have a lot of deaths. But that doesn't mean they're inting or bad players. NO instead, they are a classic example of a teammate CARRYING the game by ABSORBING a ton of enemy pressure and resources so that their team can WIN HARDER elsewhere on the map than what they are losing in that lane. If the enemy jg or mid is hard camping bot? Then you better either counter-gank bot or snowball top and mid off the pressure bot is absorbing. Those are your two options: counter-gank, snowball elsewhere HARDER than what you are losing bot for being camped there. If bot is playing SMART (what that is defined as depends on elo... not same at bronze, silver, plat, challenger, etc.) and minimizing their losses and staying RELEVANT, then they are doing their job. If the enemy isn't being punished by losing stuff elsewhere for camping bot and they aren't getting counter-ganked properly when they gank bot... the fault is not on your bot lane - it's on the rest of your team. (insert mind blown emote here)

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

What is truly toxic? So many players can't tell the difference between feedback/advice/constructive criticism and actual toxicity. So let me give two examples... sticking with the bot lane theme here. These will be comments after bot lane goes combined 0/4/0 kda off one lost fight and one good jg gank by the enemy. "Just hug tower and farm guys. Don't force any fights right now because you don't win them." "Dumbass inting bot lane. Why am I always stuck with such trash?"

Now the latter comment is very obviously toxic and not acceptable. The former though is constructive feedback. You could see it as flame if you REALLY REALLY are tilted and TRYING to see stuff as such, but otherwise no. Sadly, most players I've run into and many people in positions of authority on the boards see this as "toxic". But look at what is actually being said and implied. "Just hug tower and farm" - advice/encouragement... implied that you have faith in them being relevant/strong in the FUTURE - like "you can catch up" "Don't force fights right now because you don't win them." - more advice, relieve some pressure of... omg I"m losing, I need to get those kills back right now. No, you don't. Just catch up via playing smart (not mindlessly risky) and you got this. We'll be there to help as soon as we see a good opening. Until then, just sit tight and don't die more. You do that and I know you can carry once we get a chance to help you out.

Hmmm... does that SEEM toxic to you? Sure sounds like the opposite to me. But all too often stuff like that is met with actual toxicity. And due to culture of lol reinforcing that false belief, other teammates step in and "defend" bot from the "toxic" comment they received or tell both parties to "stop being toxic, just play". Which tends to lead to MORE actual fighting and less actual focus on playing.

Can "toxicity" be ok? Yes and no. Let's give an example. If I run it down lane forcing the same bad play over and over and ignoring encouragement and GOOD advice from my teammates and I make false claims blaming them for everything... I deserve to hear the truth in a more harsh light... I'm feeding and I"m BEING stupid. Sometimes people need that wakeup call. You aren't calling THEM stupid... but their ACTIONS stupid. This is an important difference which many people miss. You should never call someone stupid or other mean stuff, but telling someone that it's stupid to force a 3v5 for cloud drag at 25 min into game when your team is way behind is NOT toxic - it's speaking common sense. In fact, it suggests that you DON'T see them as stupid or you wouldn't bother. What you are in fact doing by telling them it's stupid to force fights like that is showing faith in them and your team - that you believe you CAN WIN from BEHIND if your team just takes SMART fights.

Further definitions hard inting - the classic "run it down" strat where you go as quickly and repeatedly as possible towards the enemy team in order to feed them kills. You may or may not "fight back" in order to make it less obvious... but let's be real here. If you're 0/10/0 trying to duel a 10/0/0 renekton under his own tower by yourself... you and everyone else in game knows you can't win that fight. So the only reason you're forcing it is to feed him more. It doesn't matter if you do damage to him/"fight back" or not... you're hard inting.

soft inting - much more varied possibilities. Maybe you've given up on the game or your lane so you just afk farm, push, and don't ward. You don't actively try to die, but you don't put in the effort and safe play that it took to get to your elo. Maybe you afk sit under tower 2v1 or 2v0 while your team is being punished elsewhere instead of abusing your number advantage and pushing objectives or collapsing to help your team. Maybe you don't attempt to dodge any skillshots or listen to pings. The list goes on. But basically, you are performing far below what you are capable of - just going through the motions and waiting for the other team to win the game rather than actively trying to work with your team and win.

That last section is a big reason you see so much toxicity in the game. People - good, honest, positive, team player people - get fed up with seeing too much of all these things in their games on a regular basis. Like sure, a teammate might go 0/7/1 here and there... we can expect that in maybe 1 in 10 games. But when you start seeing kda's like that nearly every game and it's not due to absorbing pressure and the person is clearly soft inting AND they respond to your encouragement/advice with "toxic, reported" and/or citing your sub-par kda (due to you being 2v1'd or 4v2'd all laning phase) GAME AFTER GAME... THAT is when people get fed up. That is when people - in my opinion - justly meet a clearly toxic player with a bit of their own medicine. Like I'm sorry and toxicity is never good, but if someone is inting, flaming their team or just one player, and blaming everything on others when it's actually the individual's fault who is doing the flaming... they deserve to hear that they're being stupid. If they're a halfways decent human being with some basic knowledge, they'll admit it, shut up with their ACTUAL toxicity, and start being a decent teammate again (at least a tolerable one). If not... then you tried and you just illustrated all the more that they shouldn't be allowed to ruin more matches for OTHER people.

I've made numerous other posts on this issue and I'll be happy to re-iterate specific examples or further explain anything not made clear. But I'm ending this initial post here because it's already far too tl;dr.

Eedat9/5/2018, 5:33:31 PM2 votes

My suggestion would be to turn in an applications to Riot games. You can flame people with no consequences if you're an actual rioter

Koiyaki9/5/2018, 7:52:07 AM2 votes

The problem is...how do u change people? All riot can attenpt to do is punish/attempt to conform people after the fact. And its not juat leagues fault in general. When i playes over watch on ps4 (top kek, i know, but this was back in season 1-2 so its fine~) people trolled by continuously dying to the enemy/ jumping off the map. I've had people threaten and actually dc because they hear my voicw and aak why im not playing a healer since im a girl(support is boring af in OW btw), people blaring noise/music in voice comms to annoy people (mind u evrythig im saying is for ranked OW). In fighting games ive been kicked from many custom rooms just cuz of how i sound. In wow you have people in LFR(A true cancer hole) constantly aggroing bosses, and back in vanilla wow, people wpild ninja loot from their guilds. In smite, people spam ATTACK LEFT/RIGHT LANE wheneevr someone dies once...Overall its juat gamers in gwneral that are the problem, not the games they play.

The inherant co.petative nature of most multiplayer games bringa out the worst in people...and people complain when they see it in game ans expect game makers to solve it. Its like trying ro cure a disease before its even known about. Until all trolls agree that they hate dealing with aomwone like themselvea in game...well always see trolls.

Over the years, and as a mid diamond support main in league, ive grown numb to idiots as theyre not worth the energy. But im not holier than thou. Im just a jaded player who cant be bothered to put forth the energy to flame. Ive seen it all. The inatant give ups, the inters, the afks, the dcs, the 'im a smurf so idc about this acc', the 'oh no we have a girl on our team we lose afk', the 'im banning ur hovered pick on purpose, the 'report x for y and z'....and so much more. I love leafue ans so many other games...but the same games i love are made so bad by players like me and u. Until some sort of revalation comes to delete that jerk gene we all have...or at least lower it to a more dealable quota...therea not much companies can do than rrly on the same jerky players to help them weed put the slightly smellier eggs...all while trying to makw their systems as un abusable as possible.

All i can really say is, mute the people that flame u. And try ur best to focus on your gameplay. You can only change/control yourself. Idiots will bw idiots. Keep working to improve your individual skill/ make a friend or two and meme it up in a discord. Make the best of a harsh world, cuz u owe urself that much at least. But thats just my 11 cents :3.

Saezio9/5/2018, 9:48:26 AM2 votes

Muting is actually not a hindrance to communication. I mean you alt click to show what you gonna do and if your ally disapproves they ctr click to tell you to back off. and then the ? ping which is my favorite is the "You fked up" ping. Then you got the vision ping to show where enemy can see your ally and thats pretty much all you need to tell someone in a game. Everything more than that is redundant. Nowadays you can even ping certain champs to show they are off the map or an item so your allies know what to expect. It's also way faster than typing. Ever seen how little chat there is in challenger games? thats because you don't need to do it. I just have to mention the ? ping again. I FREAKIN love it, it adds a comic relief to the game i like using it and i feel offended if i miss an ult/fail flash and there are no question marks immediately " Come on guys is none paying attention to me?". Your problem seems to be you don't relax enough.

Kei1439/5/2018, 1:54:36 PM2 votes

You need a break.

You also need to better understand how the behavioral system works.

Finally, there aren't that many trollers, inters and griefers ingame. You probably are defining them wrong and thus ending putting unnecessary mental stress on yourself.

Malefic Reality9/6/2018, 7:40:49 PM2 votes

I really am frustrated at how the community has been shaped in over a course of a year. I used to at least be able to enjoy a game of Ranked with little if any toxicity. But now, I've experience toxic players in Ranked, Norms, Featured Game Modes. Like no matter where you go, there is someone who wants to call you a flaming piece of shit for dying ONE time. Or if they just don't like you they will make you a target of their anger. I should not have to resort to muting all when I start the match or legit thinking about quitting the game because of the community. I fucking love this game and want to continue playing it. But I honestly can't even push myself to play a solo queue game in fear that I'm just going to be placed in a group with 4 other toxic players, maybe even 9. Hell, I can express that I have been toxic in the past, hell I do it sometimes now. But really it's only my reaction to the toxicity I have to face. Other than that I keep my damn mouth shut. But I'm just assuming that's not a thing anymore.

Kattzy9/6/2018, 11:31:44 PM2 votes

You are not alone. I've been actually keeping track of how many of my games feature the above behaviors, and it's over 65%. It's not you, I promise. It's sad how excited I am to have a losing match that had no trolls/flaming/afk/etc. because even if I didn't win, at least I didn't have the stress of watching trolls acting out. That said, it's so much easier to win when your team has a good attitude and patience and wants to help. I wish more people would understand that.

SIEGE2UK9/6/2018, 4:08:57 PM1 votes

Sounds like you are overly sensitive. Mute all is a perfectly viable option especially with pings of abilities and spells and everything else that is pingable.

LetMeCarry19839/14/2018, 5:26:10 PM1 votes

I call bullshit. Op reminds me of 90% of my team mates. I'm gonna go through your list and tell you based on my own experience why I think you're full of shit.

Feeding

I'll give you this one. Shit happens. People feed. I blame Riot for this. Kills give far too much gold and teams suffer immensely by having one noob on their team that can't stop feeding.

**Trolling **

I generally don't approve of trolling but I have done it. Most times, it was because a team mate didn't approve of my pick and bans it in champ select which makes no sense since I NEVER do shit like Braum top or Soraka jungle. I stay pretty meta but my champion pool can seem a bit rare. Like how many times do you see Kayle top? I've trolled as jungle when people lose their lanes and decide it was my fault and start stealing my camps. I've seen people spew venomous insults at their team mates at the slightest incident, only for the insulted team mate to start trolling.

Point is, 90% of the trolling in League is a direct result of assholes being assholes to their team mates for no sensible reason. You probably did some shit to cause it yourself and now you come here playing the victim. I shudder to think how many times you abused your team mates into trolling....for what? Not ganking your feeding ass?

Toxicity/Vulgar language/Lying about teammate's actions on [All] chat for negative reasons

This internet is a toxic place, not just League. Don't be so delicate. Humans are assholes, it's fact of life.

Ping spam/Chat spam

These can be muted easily.

Blaming/Flaming

We have ALL done this. Don't act like you're so holy and pure and never blamed a team mate for something.

AFK'ing

See trolling.

Also, life happens. Plus you have bad connections, power outages, PC crashes, none of which can be helped 100% of the time.

Intentionally leaving a teammate to die

You want to go into unwarded areas while not seeing 3 of the enemy players on the map? You deserve to be left to die for being a moron. You want to trying and defend a low HP tower vs 4 fed enemies after they crush your team in a team fight? I will leave you to die. Better to let them get the tower than 2 kills with the tower. You want to gank my 4-0 enemy lane while I'm 0-4 and you're 0-3 and he is 2 levels ahead of us? I will leave you to die. Better to let him get a single kill rather than a double.

Stop making obviously bad choices. There is a reason people will leave you die.

Giving up because of a single death / Opening lane because of a single death / Sitting in fountain because of a single death

This isn't season 5. If every lanes feeds one kill during the early game in season 8, 95% of the time, the feeding team will lose. Better to surrender rather than waste time watching your team get crushed constantly until they inevitably end the match. Problem is, some of you have this attitude where you believe you can win and refuse to surrender which effectively holds your team hostage. Some times you do win but that is rare. I'd rather not frustrate myself on the slim gamble. Learn to surrender lost games.

Surrendering a perfectly winnable game at 15 minutes for no viable reason

Again, this isn't season 5. Most games are over by 10 minutes. Do we really need to waste the time?

Intentionally AFK farming to hinder the team

When every other lane feeds hard and refuses to surrender. Farming myself back into the game is the ONLY viable choice other than trolling the game. I will not join your feeding asses in team fights against a fed team. Instead I will stay as far away as possible from all of you and farm my ass off so I can maybe try to do something later on. This is especially effective on scaling champs like Fiora and Kayle.

Revealing an ally's position intentionally in order to assist the enemy team

See Trolling.

Intentionally banning an ally's pick/Playing a first-time champion in Ranked

I'll give you these ones.

Running down lane

See trolling.

Intentionally building a champion in a way that is not viable to purposely lose

Some people are just that horrible at the game. They are not doing it on purpose. They are noob. Big difference.

Refusing to communicate with the team in any way for negative reasons

99% of communication in League is about being assholes to your team mates, especially junglers. I mute all in like 80% of my ranked games. Nothing positive is gained by communicating with anyone in matches. Pings are enough.

Refusing to take responsibility for one's actions

I don't even know what in Christ's balls you're talking about here. I'm not even sure we're talking about League of Legends with this one.

Purposely hindering ally team because of an internal dispute

See Trolling.

Intentionally putting the game to a halt to engage in a 'chat war' with allies, enemies, or both

A simple trick I use when people start shit with me, I tell my team that I'm muting all and I say nothing else the entire game. What ever shit was gonna brew is stopped dead in it's tracks. No chat war ever happens. Half the time I don't actually mute anyone. I just say that. It's shuts everyone up rather quickly.

Point is, it takes two to make a fight. When the aggressors don't get acknowledgement, they just wilt and keel over.

So there you have it. Why I think OP is full of shit.

HungryAngry2SPP10/5/2018, 10:32:55 PM1 votes
  • Playing a first-time champion in Ranked

LOL

Telephone Booth9/5/2018, 11:59:13 PM1 votes

You're playing a team game with complete strangers. A free game. Of course you can't actually take it seriously when you play with anonymous random strangers. If you want to be competitive, find competitive people to play with. I dont know why people are surprised that complete strangers in a free game troll and flame a lot.

Dat Kat9/5/2018, 10:32:49 AM1 votes

Why the hell do you even pay any attention to toxicity? Just ignore them and play, toxic people are found on every online game. FACT. You can't just rant about toxicism and expect anybody to just vanish it.

Riot is certainly banning and punishing a lot of people each day for negative behavior. Like, just because you don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Just get over it and continue playing, you'll also find Positive people too, but you probably won't mention that because well . . why would you, right?