imaqtpie chat restricted

Lutique·Apr 22, 2018·3 votes·4,381 views

imaqtpie is one of the most famous league streamers on earth. He's an ex-pro, and someone who ranks new accounts to challenger all the time. I've seen him play with many other pros, the creator of league legends, and even do a QA with their lead developer. imaqtpie is not toxic in the least, but guess who just got chat restricted? https://clips.twitch.tv/PricklyJazzyOilOptimizePrime

so I want all of you who've spent the better part of years on here pretending NA's ban system is holier than thou and amazing to really let that sink in. I want you to really take a moment and realize how wrong you've been and change your ways, and stop talking down to those who've posted here. Those banned are not the problem, NA's system is the problem. That is all.

39 Comments

AeroWaffleApr 22, 201819 votes

so I want all of you who've spent the better part of years on here pretending NA's ban system is holier than thou and amazing to really let that sink in

You mean calling someone a retard could result in a punishment? No way!

LutiqueApr 22, 20182 votes

are you really that sensitive? does someone REALLY need to be punished for that? come on now buddy...

redniwediSApr 22, 20186 votes

Does he sound sensitive? It's one thing to overreact to someone calling you a retard, and another to see the situation as it is. Riot punishes people for that, and it really doesn't matter what we think about it.

XidphelApr 22, 20184 votes

He agreed to the ToU. He agreed not to act that way. He broke that agreement. His fault.

archerno1Apr 22, 20188 votes

It just shows that punishment system is fair, that there are no favourites or exceptions and that everyone is treated equally. So yes, it makes me appreciate Riot even more.

Umbral RegentApr 22, 20185 votes

I don't even need to click "play" and I can already see two snippets that tell me the chat restriction is justified.

imaqtpie: listen retard imaqtpie: camp bot

imaqtpie: ur trolling mid

It's like, right there. Hate speech, insults, and accusatory remarks. I'm gonna guess he only got reported for harassment and/or negative attitude, 'cause I've seen cases where calling people "retard" resulted in a 14-day ban from the gate. He should certainly count himself lucky.

This just goes to show that popular streamers aren't above the rules.

LutiqueApr 22, 20182 votes

if you really think someone deserves to be punished for calling you a retard, then I don't know what to tell you, other than don't play other regions. Stick to NA. Trust me on this, if that offends you, stick to NA, where daddy FP has you nice and safe.

archerno1Apr 22, 20181 votes

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if you really think someone deserves to be punished for calling you a retard, then I don't know what to tell you, other than don't play other regions. Stick to NA. Trust me on this, if that offends you, stick to NA, where daddy FP has you nice and safe.

Does someone deserve to be punished for calling someone else fat? Is fat worse than retard?

Umbral RegentApr 22, 20183 votes

if you really think someone deserves to be punished for calling someone* a retard...

Fixed, and also, yes, I do think players who call others "retard(s)" deserve to be punished. 'Cause Riot has rules against doing so.

...then I don't know what to tell you, other than don't play other regions.

If you don't like Riot's rules, then I don't know what to tell you, other than don't play Riot's game.

...if that offends you...

It doesn't. I have no mental illnesses or disabilities to speak of, and really, there's hardly anything in the world that could offend me. But, what offends me is irrelevant. What is relevant is what Riot deems offensive, as per the Terms of Use, Section 5, Article 1, Subsection V.

5.1. Can I troll, flame, threaten or harass people while using the Riot Services? (No. If you do, you might get banned.) While using the Riot Services, you must comply with all laws, rules and regulations in the jurisdiction in which you reside. You must also comply with certain additional rules that govern your use of the Riot Services (the “Code of Conduct”). The Code of Conduct is not meant to be exhaustive, and we reserve the right to modify it at any time, as well as take appropriate disciplinary measures including account termination and deletion to protect the integrity and spirit of the Riot Services, regardless of whether a specific behavior is listed in the policy as inappropriate. In addition to the Code of Conduct, please review the Summoner’s Code for additional guidance on exemplary gameplay behavior.

The following are examples of behavior that warrant disciplinary measures:

v. Transmitting or communicating any content which, in the sole and exclusive discretion of Riot Games, is deemed offensive, including language that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, or racially, ethically, or otherwise objectionable;

Don't like that ImAQTPie got a chat restriction for breaking the rules? Them's the 8r8ks. It's Riot's game, and it's Riot's rules.

Hellmaximus1Apr 22, 20181 votes

Listing off the Summoner's Code doesn't make your case, The Summoner's Code is well known for being flawed, in the fact that it uses vague, misleading text. The Code of Conduct was not design as a general guideline and using it as such is wrong despite the numerous amount of time people and rioters who refer to it, The Code of Conduct was written to be able to punish whoever, whenever.

Riot themselves have repeatedly stated that the community judges what should and what should not be allowed in league. The system is known to be flawed, actually at one point the IFS was so bugged out and flawed riot issued apologies to the people who made support ticket regarding the unfair punishments. Than there is the whole baiting debacle, and when you consider how hypocritical the maker of the IFS is you would understand why it's a giant sunk cost.

[Edit] The problem I have isn't that a famous twitch streamer was punished, it's that the chat logs they give to punish him aren't nearly enough to warrant a punishment based on riots previous first time punishment, the only time where calling someone a retard results in punishment is if you're on a 2nd or 3rd tier punishment.

XidphelApr 22, 20182 votes

Mkay.

archerno1Apr 22, 20184 votes

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Listing off the Summoner's Code doesn't make your case, The Summoner's Code is well known for being flawed, in the fact that it uses vague, misleading text. The Code of Conduct was not design as a general guideline and using it as such is wrong despite the numerous amount of time people and rioters who refer to it, The Code of Conduct was written to be able to punish whoever, whenever.

Riot themselves have repeatedly stated that the community judges what should and what should not be allowed in league. The system is known to be flawed, actually at one point the IFS was so bugged out and flawed riot issued apologies to the people who made support ticket regarding the unfair punishments. Than there is the whole baiting debacle, and when you consider how hypocritical the maker of the IFS is you would understand why it's a giant sunk cost.

Except this case is clear. He insulted teammate, he got chat restricted. Simple. No baiting, nothing vague.

Hellmaximus1Apr 23, 20181 votes

I'm fine with people getting punished for insulting or threatening a teammates, however this case isn't clear, was he using the word retard in a comical sense as this streamer is known to do? do he actually mean any harm in his comment? There is a good case to be made that he was making fun of the meta of the time, which is to camp botlane for free win.

archerno1Apr 23, 20184 votes

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I'm fine with people getting punished for insulting or threatening a teammates, however this case isn't clear, was he using the word retard in a comical sense as this streamer is known to do? do he actually mean any harm in his comment? There is a good case to be made that he was making fun of the meta of the time, which is to camp botlane for free win.

He wouldnt be punished if he wasnt reported. Person he insulted reported him. He got punished. Why are you trying to overcomplicate it? System doesnt ban without report.

Hellmaximus1Apr 23, 20181 votes

Over-complicate it? Punishment should be 100% accurate, it damn better be complicated regardless of who the punishment is for.

As for person he insulted reported him, that's not true, it doesn't matter who reported who, 1 report is all it takes. People have been punished in 5 man pre-made when someone for the enemy team reported them, and they got banned for stuff they said in *TEAM chat.

Umbral RegentApr 22, 20185 votes

Listing off the Summoner's Code doesn't make your case...

It's a good thing I pulled from the Terms of Use, and not the Summoner's Code, then, huh?

The Code of Conduct was not design as a general guideline and using it as such is wrong...

Except, it was designed to be a general guideline. Like, here's the rough version:

I. Don't impersonate others, especially not Riot Employees II. Don't post identifying information about yourself or others III. Don't harass, stalk, or threaten others IV. Don't break copyright stuff V. Don't use offensive chat (especially not hate speech) VI. Don't spread viruses or malicious software VII. Don't spam the chat VIII. Don't scam/defraud people IX. Don't use unauthorized third-party programs that screw with the game X. Don't try to access non-public areas of the game XI. Don't create a Screenname that breaks rules I, II, or V XII. Don't leave a match until it's actually over XIII. Don't play on another person's account, especially to boost them XIV. Don't encourage others to break any of these aforementioned rules

It's a guideline of stuff you can't do, and using it as a guideline is well within its intended purpose.

...The Code of Conduct was written to be able to punish whoever, whenever.

And yet, Riot doesn't ban just anyone and say "you broke rule number...fifteen. banned." - they only ban players who break the rules continuously and refuse to play by them.

And, also, to address something you said in a separate comment string:

Retard isn't considered hate speach(sic)...

You're wrong on this. Calling someone a "retard" as an insult is hate speech. Hate speech is:

Hate speech is speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as race, religion, ethnic origin, sexual orientation, disability, or gender.

Intellectual Disability held the term "Mental Retardation" at one point, which, wow, I wonder why it changed?

And, since mental retardation/intellectual disability is, as the current name implies, a disability, using the term "retard" as an insult is in fact hate speech.

Hellmaximus1Apr 23, 20182 votes

The summoner's code remark wasn't made at you, umbral my apologies I should've replied directly to the person instead of including it with my reply to you.

You're rough version of the Code of Conducts is great, unfortunately that's not what the Actual CoC example's say, in fact some of the stuff in Code of Conducts contradicts what rioter have previously stated.

Further more riot doesn't have any guidelines in the Code of Conducts, they instead give you Examples of thing that (may) warrant disciplinary measures. (I say may since riot & rioters have express there intent not to punish certain action that the CoC says warrant disciplinary measures)

Riot states at the very top of the CoC that they every right to instantly remove accounts, which they have done in the past. (tlyer1 lost 9 accounts in a row that had no previous history of negativity or botting) (The Code of Conduct is not meant to be exhaustive, and we reserve the right to modify it at any time, as well as take appropriate disciplinary measures including account termination and deletion to protect the integrity and spirit of the Riot Services, regardless of whether a specific behavior is listed in the policy as inappropriate.)

The actual definition for hate speech is**_ [Bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social or ethnic group or a member of such a group.]** however definition can change over time and the new pseudo-definition to some (but not all) is **[speech that attacks, threatens, or insults a person or group on the basis of national origin, ethnicity, color, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, or disability.]_** which is extremely open at best and oddly vague at worst, as you can consider any type of insult, harassment, or threat as hate speech which is probably why it's not used in the professional sense. Retard, stupid, imbecile, moron all inhabit a special place in the English Lexicon, and the evolution of those words from professional use to insults should be look at more thoroughly since people will use whatever word replaces those words.

I've seen more than my fair share of people calling other mentally handicap, intellectual disabled etc, the meaning of the word doesn't change just because you change the word, it still remains the same and will be used the same way and it just so happen one of the way people use it, is as an insult.

LimmieApr 22, 20185 votes

He called somebody a retard and got punished for it, what's the issue here exactly? You don't get a free pass because you're an expro wtf.

XidphelApr 22, 20184 votes

OMG! HE GOT A SIMPLE 10 GAME CHAT OFFENCE FOR BEING TOXIC! 10! GAME! CHAT! RESTRICTION! HIS CAREER IS RUINED! HIS LIFE IS OVER! HIS GIRLFRIEND WILL LEAVE HIM! HIS FAMILY WILL DISOWN HIM! ALL BECAUSE RITO WAS ACTING WORSE THAN THE BASTARD CHILD OF STALIN AND HITLER BY GIVING THE LOWEST POSSIBLE PUNISHMENT YOU CAN GET!

LutiqueApr 22, 20181 votes

Perhaps you don't understand how the ban system works. It's 4 tier, first is 10 chat, second 25, then 2 week ban, then perm. Sometimes the system skips a step, but it usually doesn't. Also once you get one type of restriction/ban it's much easier to get another, i've tested this thoroughly. It also does not reset for a very long time, so out of sure principle and logs, Riot just put on full display how broken their system is. One of the most popular players in the world is now punished because of it. But i'm happy to report qtpie is still a millionaire, and Riot staff are not. Nothing they can do to take away that simple fact, who's winning, who's not?

XidphelApr 22, 20185 votes

I know how it works. I hang out on PB when I visit the boards. I still love how people overreact to a mere 10 game chat restriction. Just have to stop being a dick and you eventually go down a tier.

Actually, if the whole "retard=hate speech" is true, then Riot DID fuck up by giving him a 10-game chat restriction instead of tossing him into 14-day ban. Either way, he deserves punishment. On Twitch, he's a celebrity. On LoL, he's just another summoner.

Imperial PandaaApr 23, 20182 votes

What about the cow though? Did he bring dishonor to his cow? Answer me!

ArammusApr 22, 20183 votes

since you claim calling someone a retard should NOT lead to a punishement... what should in your opinion? and dont get me wrong... just because he is a former lcs player and around for ages... he still can be toxic.

dKiWiApr 22, 20183 votes

wow the word retard is so damn toxic! Toxic enough to melt snowflakes for sure

archerno1Apr 22, 20185 votes

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wow the word retard is so damn toxic! Toxic enough to melt snowflakes for sure

Yes it is. It falls under category of hate speech.

fatherdariusApr 22, 20182 votes

I don't consider it 'so damn toxic' but I do consider it quite rude and rather unsportsmanlike behavior.

If a NASCAR driver called another a retard, said driver would probably get a fine or a race suspension. When engaged in 'sport' are not expected to be gentlemen?

The punishment fits the crime. Silencing his metaphorical biting tongue for 10 games will hopefully encourage this ex-pro to be respectful to others.

AntelathApr 22, 20182 votes

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wow the word retard is so damn toxic! Toxic enough to melt snowflakes for sure

Kinda have to agree, People are just so sensitive nowdays that saying a single bad word can get you banned LOL. [garen-swing]

Yara0Apr 24, 20182 votes

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wow the word retard is so damn toxic! Toxic enough to melt snowflakes for sure

The people that dont understand why its fucked up to use the word "retard" in that fashion are the real morons here.

HyquiemApr 22, 20181 votes

Eh now you all want to deffend your memeing legend. Well to bad he ain’t not god.

LutiqueApr 22, 20181 votes

he's definitely not a God. He is one of the most famous league streamers in the world though.

XidphelApr 22, 20186 votes

About as effective as spending money when it comes to preventing yourself from being punished.

fatherdariusApr 22, 20181 votes

This times a thousand. We're all treated equally on the rift.

Hellmaximus1Apr 22, 20181 votes

The only problem I see is the fact he got punished for 1 game of calling someone retard once, which isn't a IFS Non-tolerance word.

Retard isn't considered hate speach, It can be considered slang or offensive based on the context.

Retard inhabits a place with moron, imbecile, stupid.

Sure calling someone any of those as a tool of harassment isn't okay, but does it deserve the amount of punishment as using the word [Edited] or kill yourself? I don't think so, and I'm sure a majority of the community feels the same.

zPOOPzApr 22, 20182 votes

If you truly believe retard is not an IFS non-tolerance word, would you kindly try using it a few times in your next game. After all, it is not right...?

Hellmaximus1Apr 23, 20181 votes

I have, I say things such as "man that was a retarded play by me guys, mb" and "man that X enemy champion just did something retarded and gave us double buffs" and I do get reported in some of those games by teammates who are mad at me from playing poorly or thinking that I'm intentionally feeding, or maybe they don't like the fact I give them advice on the next game who knows. If retarded was a Non-Tolerance word, a lot more people would be considered _toxic _a huge majority in fact, which is why riot wouldn't do that. The boards would be flooded with chatlogs of people saying retarded once and than nothing but normal speech.

BrightWîngsApr 22, 20181 votes

I love qt but he's no exception what he did was wrong and he should be punished for it I think it's great Riot doesn't just look the other way because they are a famous streamer or pro player

EbalsymtiLigataApr 22, 20181 votes

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Thee Pie ManApr 22, 20182 votes

I support people being chat restricted when they legitimately call other players something. There's a huge difference between cussing because you messed up, and cussing/berating someone else. Feel free to think I'm wrong about that, you know it's true. I don't get what makes people degenerates for following the rules that everyone signed up for.

I think morally speaking you're a degenerate if your stance on anything is "I'm right, you're wrong." Before the discussion even begins!

DolynaApr 22, 20181 votes

From what I've seen, Riot doesn't actually include "retard" in it's list of hate speech that violates Riot's zero tolerance policy. If it did count as hate speech by Riot's standards, it would earn a two week ban right away, rather than a chat ban. However, it's obviously an insult, and Riot doesn't tolerate a pattern of insults in games.