People get too easily offended

BeNiceToOthers·Feb 4, 2019·4 votes·2,572 views

Just had a game where my morgana simply refused to bind the enemy tahm kench when he was right in front of her multiple times. The enemy adc was an ezreal. I politely said " Just q tahm, even if you q ezreal, he will just dash or be swallowed" in which Morg said " just stop talking"... and proceded to save bind for ez again...

Like, I get that there are people out there who talk shit to you constantly, and maybe you're just used to it, but at least give me a chance. Bot lane is a 2v2 lane, in a meta that already doesn't favor adc at the moment. To have any semblance of success, can you at least try to work with me here.

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EvilDustManFeb 4, 20196 votes

Then stop. You don't know what that person's deal is. Maybe they are having a bad guy. Maybe people won't stop giving them shit about how they play. You have no idea what's going on behind their screen.

ShinikaruFeb 4, 20192 votes

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Then stop. You don't know what that person's deal is. Maybe they are having a bad guy. Maybe people won't stop giving them shit about how they play. You have no idea what's going on behind their screen.

This is a perfect example of kids not trying to see the Other person, before they react. 1.What are you saying stop too? 2.What assumptions are you making that makes you assume anything. 3.You also have no idea whats going on behind the Other Person screen, but your comment already seems to assume that anything said here-to-fore was abusive?

Communication between two people requires both people to engage in honest back and forth discussion. --.One person saying to someone else that they have never met in a PUG game "dude can you try to play it safer and not feed so much so early" is not toxic, that's actually really good goddamn advice. and if that's as far as it goes is hardly toxic unless your a snowflake.
UNFORTUNATELY as the OP points out, usually even a simple comment such as this ruffles up feathers to the point that the speaker is considered toxic, and the other person not only ends up being the troll for reporting, but doesn't actually try to adapt their game either. Sadly, as it stands, it's the speaker that is punished, Not the reporter. So I stand by the obvious assessment, never speak. Find some regular friends to play with, but If you Must PUG, DON'T TALK. You'll not only end up more sane in the end, you'll also beat their screwed up system, because they don't know what your screaming at your walls. ;)

FF or QQFeb 4, 20191 votes

Thank you for restoring some faith in humanity. I posted a similar response about the hypocritical viewpoint being tossed around this community.

EvilDustManFeb 4, 20194 votes

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This is a perfect example of kids not trying to see the Other person, before they react. 1.What are you saying stop too? 2.What assumptions are you making that makes you assume anything. 3.You also have no idea whats going on behind the Other Person screen, but your comment already seems to assume that anything said here-to-fore was abusive?

Communication between two people requires both people to engage in honest back and forth discussion. --.One person saying to someone else that they have never met in a PUG game "dude can you try to play it safer and not feed so much so early" is not toxic, that's actually really good goddamn advice. and if that's as far as it goes is hardly toxic unless your a snowflake.

UNFORTUNATELY as the OP points out, usually even a simple comment such as this ruffles up feathers to the point that the speaker is considered toxic, and the other person not only ends up being the troll for reporting, but doesn't actually try to adapt their game either. Sadly, as it stands, it's the speaker that is punished, Not the reporter. So I stand by the obvious assessment, never speak. Find some regular friends to play with, but If you Must PUG, DON'T TALK. You'll not only end up more sane in the end, you'll also beat their screwed up system, because they don't know what your screaming at your walls. ;)

I never said it was abusive. It was reasonable advice. But if they don't take it, that's it, move on. You won't get punished for it.

ModPeriscopeFeb 4, 20196 votes

If he’s not willing to take your advice, then adapt. You can’t expect everyone to always follow your commands.

ShinikaruFeb 4, 20191 votes

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If he’s not willing to take your advice, then adapt. You can’t expect everyone to always follow your commands.

Periscope, these are PUG games. The first conversation is always that a conversation, or a suggestion, never a 'COMMAND'. That would be totalitarianism or enforced Communism. I'm all about the team effort baby. Do 'Not' ignore or discourage the fact that we all know, those of us that are over 30 and play this game, that simple suggestions and asks in games Lately are considered 'Trolling' by PUGS. Riot can track all sorts of stats per-champ, why isn't this on the RADAR?

ModPeriscopeFeb 4, 20194 votes

Call it what you will. If they’re not willing to heed advice, then you play around it.

FF or QQFeb 4, 20191 votes

I can't believe this is a moderators response, so conceited and vane in his approach. All you clearly want to do is one up him. Not have a fruitful conversation, it's a hypocritical point of view. "Call it what you will", not "Can you go into more detail about that friend?" Similar to the Morganas logic. Her saying "Stop talking" back to him was more toxic than him asking her to Q Ezreal. Dissing someone for dissing, essentially. Language is subjective, if you disagree with someone, it's not always because their point is wrong, but more likely rather, that you simply did not understand it.

Don't be so quick to go on the defensive friends, imagine each others perspective, think critically, if there is ANYTHING remotely true about their position, bring that to the forefront. Then make the incorrect points sub plots to the conversation. I guess I'll stick around and teach you guys some debate club stuff.

People on this forums are so confused, I find it laughable. - Which you find offensive and hypocritical of me to say. I hope you now understand our position a little better.

ModPeriscopeFeb 4, 20192 votes

I don't know what more detail I could go into or that the other poster could go into. He seemed to take issue with my wording "command."

The issue at hand is that players are not always willing to follow your advice, so you should play accordingly.

R107 GamesFeb 4, 20193 votes

NA is an extremely sensitive region.

No one is willing to listen to criticism or advice. They get emotional after you call them out in anyway. They get offended/upset over the most trivial things imaginable.

Sensitivity is a huge weakness/problem in NA

silverreignFeb 4, 20192 votes

Solo queue bot is inevitably going to cause many bans in this game because people tend to be too prideful to consider that working as a team could actually result in a win and instead be toxic towards one another.

Apricot JamsFeb 4, 20192 votes

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ShinikaruFeb 4, 20191 votes

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yea dude you cant say shit without these kids getting chapped as if ur their dad telling them what to do or something. You could literally be giving the most neutral sounding objective advice and they'll go "toxic" or "muted" lmao snowflake mentality

^THIS, So this.

Awf MetaFeb 4, 20192 votes

Well every time they whine, Riot comes in and punishes the big bad. If it works, why stop?

ShinikaruFeb 4, 20191 votes

hey don't be negative dude. say GLHF. that's all your allowed to say. Chat in games isn't about communicating or asking for anything out of your pug teammate...THAT'S CRITICISM. Just shut up and have fun, that's all were allowed to do. This is Sarcasm, but a lot of you know its fact as well. If you do anything other than say GLFH, or any other meaningless tropism you will just end up getting reported by the person you were trying to talk to, as well as likely 1-3 others on Your team, (and often calls for blind reports). The ban system is garbage, communication is discouraged. once you accept these facts you'll understand just go with the flow, and never speak, lol.

ModPeriscopeFeb 4, 20193 votes

communication is discouraged.

That just isn’t the case. Healthy communication is definitely encouraged. If you feel that’s just not the case, then you can post whatever chat logs caused you to get punished in a separate discussion.

ShinikaruFeb 4, 20191 votes

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That just isn’t the case. Healthy communication is definitely encouraged. If you feel that’s just not the case, then you can post whatever chat logs caused you to get punished in a separate discussion.

Not for nothing, but your first comment 14 minutes before this one that i'm replying to was this:

[{quoted}]Periscope (NA) Moderator - 14 minutes ago

If he’s not willing to take your advice, then adapt. You can’t expect everyone to always follow your commands.

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And it was not preceded by anything, or given a closing by anything. Kind of my point....Far too reactionary to another persons perspective, with no communication at all. When one person shuts down it becomes one sided. When one person shuts down and then reports the other person it was not only one sided, it was unfair. The mistake people that get reported make is to keep talking. And I'm sure i'm wearing out My welcome on this thread so, I've made my point, I'll move along.

ModPeriscopeFeb 4, 20194 votes

The mistake people that get reported make is to keep talking.

That’s not why they’re punished, though.

They typically have aspects of negative communication in their logs.

ShinikaruFeb 4, 20191 votes

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That’s not why they’re punished, though.

They typically have aspects of negative communication in their logs.

That is incorrect because RIOTS system does NOT look at the entire picture. It judges you on your logs, while at the same time pretending that every other speaker doesn't exist. They do this to save $$money$$, not because its 'fair'. (thereby they don't need actual people to look at these things) It's far easier to scan one persons logs for 'trigger words' and make a 'Judgement' with an algorithm. -The same algorithm isn't smart enough to make a Judgement on 3-6 persons worth of chat-log, and determine not only intent but guilt. Lets be serious here Periscope, the system is a computer, it shows you only YOUR logs because that's all the math their system can handle, and it only looks for KEY 'indicators'. (Which is why it's always better to never speak in game) But it's also why it favors reporters and not speakers for punishment, it makes it inherently easy to gang-up on one person. The Math is easy, I can see the program..... Hell I could write some of it. What bothers me is the personal aspect, and RIOT selling it as a "fix". It's not a fix, it's lazy. But it's cost-effective.

Hazy ShadeFeb 4, 20195 votes

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That is incorrect because RIOTS system does NOT look at the entire picture. It judges you on your logs, while at the same time pretending that every other speaker doesn't exist. They do this to save $$money$$, not because its 'fair'. (thereby they don't need actual people to look at these things) It's far easier to scan one persons logs for 'trigger words' and make a 'Judgement' with an algorithm. -The same algorithm isn't smart enough to make a Judgement on 3-6 persons worth of chat-log, and determine not only intent but guilt. Lets be serious here Periscope, the system is a computer, it shows you only YOUR logs because that's all the math their system can handle, and it only looks for KEY 'indicators'. (Which is why it's always better to never speak in game) But it's also why it favors reporters and not speakers for punishment, it makes it inherently easy to gang-up on one person. The Math is easy, I can see the program..... Hell I could write some of it. What bothers me is the personal aspect, and RIOT selling it as a "fix". It's not a fix, it's lazy. But it's cost-effective.

So by your logic, it's relevant whether the other person gets their 'feathers ruffled' because Riot is only going to look at your chat logs and if all you did was suggest the other person stop binding champ x, focus champ y, go to drag, and so on then there are no 'trigger words' for you to get banned for. If it works like this then why fear talking in chat since as long as you don't say anything negative you can't be banned.

SyrileFeb 4, 20191 votes

Truly, that is a problem with NA. It is why the NA region tends to be weak. If you watch say.... Wolf stream back when he was amazing... He made a mistake using a new support, Rakan actually, and caused the ADC to miss a canon minion. The ADC snapped at him. Ya know... Wolf... 2 Time World Champion support. Support to Bang. SKT T1 Support Wolf. Getting a comment thrown at him for making a mistake. His response? He apologized and said in stream that he needs to be careful because ADCs get really upset over missing a cannon. He recognized it was his mistake and took the criticism. This guy is not beholden to him. This guy is clearly a better player than the person who he was supporting. This is the SKT that was considered nearly untouchable. Yet, he made a mistake and was not saying the mean ADC was wrong to tell him to play better. Instead, he reflected on himself and decided to do better next time. He did terrible the whole game to be fair, heh. New support and Rakan took some getting used to when he first came out. In NA, a lot of supports would have insta-reported the ADC for daring to tell them that they need to pay attention to the game.

ModPrandineFeb 4, 2019

While I get that it's frustrating to have people who won't listen to your advice or tips, unfortunately there are people out there who are like that. When it gets to that point it's better to just drop it and move on rather than persistently nag them about it.