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Please Remember to Lead by Example on PB

ModThe Djinn·6/7/2018, 7:28:51 PM·62 votes·15,676 views

Hey there, Player Behavior.

I just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone engaging in discussion here on Player Behavior that we all -- banned or unbanned, in favor of the system or not in favor of the system -- are deserving of civility and respect. This means a few things:

  • If someone asks in good faith why they were banned, tell them simply and without judgment.
  • If someone asks for help, give them good suggestions without impugning them as a person.
  • If someone offers help or advice and it is not appreciated, simply ignore it or respond respectfully.
  • If someone disagrees with you on whether or not a punishment (or the system) is justified, don't attack each other as people.
  • If a conversation gets heated, it feels someone isn't willing to discuss things civilly, or you're frustrated that someone isn't listening to you, simply bow out -- you don't need to get the last word.
  • If you wish simply to complain about the system, let us know in your opening post so we don't try to offer advice.
  • If you are not happy with your punishment or think the system is flawed, do not attack those who are telling you how it works, or why it works that way -- the system isn't their fault.
  • If you think someone's actions are horrible, remember that it is their actions you should take umbrage with, not their personhood. Their behavior may have been toxic, but address their behavior and not the individual.

#Remember the purpose of this board is to inform, advise, and discuss player behavior and the punishment system. It is not to prove yourself right, change the opinions of people who do not want their opinion changed, laugh at/belittle players who have been punished, or laugh at/belittle players who support the existing system.

39 Comments

Hambone20136/7/2018, 7:32:11 PM9 votes

This really ought to be stickied

Karunamon6/7/2018, 8:53:11 PM4 votes

If someone asks in good faith why they were banned, tell them simply and without judgment.

And when they're not asking in good faith?

I want to copypaste a post I made yesterday along these lines:

{quoted}

"It feels like a large percentage of forum users talk to players who are currently suspended as lesser beings. " There's a three part reason for this.

Part of the reason for this is because the people who frequent this board have heard every single excuse a million times.

  • But context!
  • But they started it!
  • But I was "defending myself"!
  • But I was playing with a friend who knew I didn't mean it that way!

and so on, when literally every bit of this is covered under the dual principles of the summoner's code and the saying "don't be a dick".

Part of the reason is that the ingame systems for toxicity are wholly unsatisfying and opaque, and so people come here (including myself in this) to see the system actually working and revel a bit in the Demacian JUSTICE! of seeing someone who acted like that troll last game getting their comeuppance.

And the final reason is the frequency with which people lie on these boards. Even the most socially ignorant person in the world knows you don't call people slurs in mixed company, and so there's this pre-existing presumption of bad faith simply because bad faith (and wanting to argue, rather than learn) is a lot more common here than the opposite.

I'd say the breakdown in punishment posts is about 98% "I got punished, I know why, I just want to vent/gloat/argue about it", 1.9% "I got punished, I have no idea why", 0.1% "I got punished, and it was actually unjust"

Not gonna lie, I would expect and want people who come in for the 9001'st time to tell us how "kys" doesn't mean "kill yourself" and anyways it doesn't why are y'all so snowflakey and sensitive they're just words you can mute me you sjws... to be received poorly.

If you're asking in good faith, that's something else entirely, but there's a shocking lack of good-faith posts to reply to. This board could do with an FAQ and threads to be closed when common things pop up. If the replies of "this is what the SC says, here's how you broke it, here's how the punishment system works" aren't enough to convince someone, further discussion is fruitless.

Invidie6/8/2018, 1:25:13 AM2 votes

why even have to ask? they did something stupid, thats why riot banned their ass.

Galiö6/7/2018, 8:36:51 PM2 votes

I just want people who make fun of other players, insult their intelligence in offensive ways, and talking players to kill themselves to be I instantly banned.

Unstoppable Monk6/7/2018, 9:48:09 PM2 votes

Having witnessed a permabanned player IRL for their behavior, it is definitely ironic when they say people need to grow a thick skin. When they themselves are so volatile in the first place, a papercut of a narcissistic wound would send them into a rage. So don't feel too bad if a toxic player blows up on you just explaining how homophobic and racist slurs are not allowable in league chat.

Although methinks the current wave is quite justified in being upset from the fringe cases of sophomoric griefer-mobkdaer reports on the currently and recently punished.

HungryAngry2SPP6/8/2018, 12:34:19 AM2 votes

Pin it up so anyone can see it any time

FOR JUSTICE6/7/2018, 8:10:53 PM2 votes

Im gonna be totally honest, do have a habit of belittling others in PB, BUUUUUUUT only when I feel the need to. I.E they bash the system calling it broken/trash or insist they haven't trolled or have been toxic, but when I point it out or show proof and they rage and act like man children and they just look like fools.

StrikeZone6/8/2018, 12:57:36 AM2 votes

i dont think its fair that when i show i plan to pick my champion and another teammate bannes them because they dont like that champion that i should be punished becasue i dont want to play with them for griefing. if they dont want to be sportsman i shouldnt be forced to play with them.

PooSprinkle126/9/2018, 9:04:34 PM1 votes

Why is riot a bunch of pussies and bans you for swearing at people. Give me a chat permaban, like is riot a bunch of 8 year olds who dont want their feelings hurt? I am so confused why you would take away someones entire account just because they swear. Stupid company.

King Manatee6/7/2018, 7:50:42 PM1 votes

Preach.

DearPear6/7/2018, 8:10:34 PM1 votes

One thing you all might want to remember is that one is more likely to listen to your advices if you're being nice and kind to them!

SoundChaosDebug6/7/2018, 10:36:36 PM1 votes

i tell people good luck have fun™ at the begging of every match.

Arammus6/8/2018, 4:15:20 PM1 votes

hm i came to this board to help and to see that riots system is still working. yet i myself kinda "went the wrong way". its good to read this post, it reminds me that i myself tend to sometimes look down on banned ppl.

mabdu6/9/2018, 2:29:57 PM1 votes

This post sadly proves that the current IFS is failing and is by far the weakest part of LoL.