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new report option: not taking assigned role

theArtifacts··311 votes·12,682 views

Recently to avoid long queues some players have been taking "fill" and then taking what ever role they want anyway. This is completely inappropriate for ranked and a complete disregard for the summoners code and sportsmanlike behavior. This should result in bans.

Asking to trade positions is one thing but trolling your team is another. If you cant play all roles don't take fill. If you're avoiding long queues by taking fill and then taking w/e lane - go to normal mode and practice.

Another option could be to add a third position option instead of just two.

EDIT:

After much discussion in this thread it seems that adding a reporting method in champ select may be helpful.

109 Comments

Dr Birdie25 votes

I have also run into this problem. However I don't think this is how to fix it.

I KNOW that if this were to be the report category, my friend and I would be banned within a week.

Do we steal lanes? No. Him and I like to go off meta bots together, like Nami-Wukong.

Now we don't do this in ranked mind you, but the amount of harassment and salt we get for trying to have fun in norms is silly.

It doesn't even make sense, we choose bot and support he goes Wu bot with me as Nami support, and people start screaming because we are "trolls" because "Wukong isn't a bot."

Mind you, more often than not, they shut their mouths by the time we are 4-0. But for the games where we don't do well, we already get reports for "trolling" and I would rather not start getting reported for more things that I am not doing.

That's just my two cents.

Poro Snax3 votes

I understand this side of it too because I typically top as Sona with my friends but I get yelled at because "You're support you HAVE to go bot" I feel like if you're comfortable with a certain lane and a champ, you should be able to play there. But I am new and don't know much about ranked and such so my opinion may be invalid xD

LF Annie18 votes

realistically, riot has the tech to tell what lane you go into and if you selected bot, you don't have to be a MM bot, as long as you go bot, riot doesnt care what champ you play as long as you play it where you say you're going to.

thats from 4+ years playing.

theArtifacts6 votes

Exactly!

Tridem1 votes

I feel that if you truly "main" a champion you have to play him everywhere so you know EVERY type of matchup and different ways to build your champion

Aeolian Melodies3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Sun Yat,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QEcFOL3E,comment-id=000500000001,timestamp=2016-01-19T22:12:29.148+0000)

I feel that if you truly "main" a champion you have to play him everywhere so you know EVERY type of matchup and different ways to build your champion

Not all champions can actually go everywhere.

Knoyle1 votes

Soraka JUNG!!!

Proxknight1 votes

Can it jungle? Lol

dannykun7 votes

I'll say that this doesn't fall under what OP is asking, going off meta champs in a role is still fine, and isn't reportable.

An example of what OP wants: say you wanted to go nami/wu bot and put bot as primary and fill for secondary. When you get in screen and get put in the jungle you say "I'm going Bot" and lock in wu. THAT'S what he wants reported, not what you are talking about.

Supreme Senpai691 votes

How often do you and your friend get bot? The new queue'ing system is making that impossible for me and my friend. What do you put as your secondary role?

Shin Gouki3 votes

I would put bot primary/support secondary for you and vice versa for your friend. The matchmaking will always put the two of you in a game where one of you gets bot and the other support.

Supreme Senpai692 votes

Unfortunately, that isn't a valid queue. It won't let you search for a group for whatever reason.

Carpe Victoria2 votes

The game can detect what lane you played in. They could easily add a check into the report feature that sees if you laned where you selected and validate the report or not. It wouldn't have to make any calls about what champ you played and if its appropriate, just that you took the lane the system rolled you. Double that up with punishment for excessive false reports and that would at least make after game reporting fine. I personally want a during champ select report option that dodges but thats trickier.

ahferroin72 votes

The problem with this is that it would flag people who are legitimately trading lanes.

theArtifacts1 votes

as mentioned in another comment - they can add a lane trade to the champ select screen.

Carpe Victoria1 votes

Its kind of just a risk you have to take too. You shouldn't really be getting reported falsely in a lane swap unless someone chooses to abuse the system with an alterior motive. Just like the current one, they look for multiple reports and repeat behaviour. Negative action against too many false reports would also sway people. Behind the scenes they wouldn't need to punish uncertain cases but the obvious ones could easily be punished. Ex. If a player falsely reports every mid because he picked mid primary and didn't get it. That's a huge red flag for him. Meanwhile the mid lane that got reported played mid and no one else reported him. In turn this would sway lane swap false reports because no one really knows their algorithm if it would pick up on it...and they might be able to also.

GhastlyGhoulMan1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Midnight,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=QEcFOL3E,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-01-19T18:52:19.805+0000)

I have also run into this problem. However I don't think this is how to fix it.

I KNOW that if this were to be the report category, my friend and I would be banned within a week.

Do we steal lanes? No. Him and I like to go off meta bots together, like Nami-Wukong.

Now we don't do this in ranked mind you, but the amount of harassment and salt we get for trying to have fun in norms is silly.

It doesn't even make sense, we choose bot and support he goes Wu bot with me as Nami support, and people start screaming because we are "trolls" because "Wukong isn't a bot."

Mind you, more often than not, they shut their mouths by the time we are 4-0. But for the games where we don't do well, we already get reports for "trolling" and I would rather not start getting reported for more things that I am not doing.

That's just my two cents.

I agree, I like seeing off meta picks and I wouldn't want them to be punished. However, I would say that adding it as an option to report isn't necessarily a bad thing either. The biggest problem I'd say is when say someone gets assigned "bot" but says "I'm going top mo fo." Even if someone else already got assigned top position. I could care less what champ someone plays in a given role, if it's off meta I say go for it.

Maybe they could add this but with the caveat that each "report" will be looked at individually according to things such as what was in chat, or something.

Original Quitter9 votes

Yes this needs to be addressed.

It needs it's own report that results in bans or low priority que.

If you select fill and you get put in as first pick adc and then pick brand and say going mid that person needs to be reported and set in low priority que plain and simple.

Tohob5 votes

i'm fairly certain theres a more broad report option that would cover this. isn't there a "refusing to communicate" option? just look through the report options and choose the most fitting one

FoodMalfax9 votes

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i'm fairly certain theres a more broad report option that would cover this. isn't there a "refusing to communicate" option? just look through the report options and choose the most fitting one

Pretty sure that does not fix the problem, and besides reporting him under "Refusing to communicate"(which i may add, it's a ghost report that does nothing) will do absolutely nothing. This problem needs to be addressed in a timely manner, but lets face it and not act like naive people, it's highly unlikely this will be added ever or at least any time soon.

dannykun3 votes

Refusing to communicate isn't a ghost report. people can be timed out or banned for that.

However there's usually agressive communication in this instance, with the person just saying "I'm going X" and locks in their champ. It needs to be a reportable offense because it's highly disruptive for the team. If they ask it's fine, but flat out refusing to go in a role that they Voluntarily put as a role they could do is WRONG. Now we just need a button that can relay that information to riot. or at the very least put it in a category so that it is easier to communicate that this is in fact happening.

Lucifer3 votes

the big issue is people pick "fill" and then want anything but support. I think this speaks to a larger issue of that particular role still not being attractive enough to the playerbase as a whole.

theArtifacts1 votes

Go back to the old queue for a second - there is ALWAYS one person who has to play support. It's only unattractive because your job isn't to get kills but to keep the carries alive. People want to be the deciding factor in a game. It's the same in WoW or any other game with support champs/characters. This queue just makes it known who gets support when no one wants it.

Lucifer3 votes

Yah, but I main support, so it was never an issue for me. I actually enjoy supporting, and I like to play support unconventionally. There's also the issue of picking "support" as a secondary role and almost NEVER getting your primary role if you choose that. Seems kinda unfair.

CarameI Frappe2 votes

Funny, I love Supporting but the Fill option usually makes me go as ADC 70% of the time. Good thing i'm pretty good at Caitlyn and Kalista now to work with Fill :)

SecretAgentHulk3 votes

I suspect that once Riot gets in a good bit of initial data this will be something that gets flagged automatically like LeaverBuster.

DarkRitual2 votes

But first, there needs to be an added button during selection/bans: Position Swap Sometimes people do swap positions legitimately, and there needs to be something in place that won't punish that.

Moses Broseph3 votes

I would like a third option anyway because there are three roles that I play well and I feel like with this new system I may stop playing one of said roles.

Restless Slumber2 votes

I've had people ask to trade, but I say no and they just deal with it. Most of the toxic players I play with are only toxic in game.

Maximum Morde2 votes

I don't like this unless it has manual review. Because people can trade with their team mates if they want with communicstion, but you know some salty bastard is gonna report if they know the system will auto punish. Esp if that person happens to do bad in game.

Many many times when I lane swap with folks who get countered or whatever.

High51 votes

There are a hundred scenarios that make this impossible to enforce. That's the problem with the system.

Before, at least the pick process was quick and I could just minimize the screen. Now, we have the same amount of trolls, we have to watch them troll and the selection process takes longer.

theArtifacts1 votes

It could be set to require at least 3 reports and in-game evidence. you could also have it so that if you agree to trade positions you swap roles just as you would a champion in champ select.

dannykun1 votes

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It could be set to require at least 3 reports and in-game evidence. you could also have it so that if you agree to trade positions you swap roles just as you would a champion in champ select.

I like this, they could do it during the intended champion phase, and allow people to send in requests for lane swaps and the things like that.

Brndd2 votes

Is disregarding the assigned roles and picking whatever you want "because muh pick order" actually against the rules in the first place?

It'd make sense for it to be, because avoiding that was one of the main reasons behind the new champ select in the first place, but has Riot actually said it's forbidden?

There are people in this very thread claiming that you don't have to follow the assigned roles if you're first pick, so it'd be nice to nip this mentality in the bud.

EDIT: https://twitter.com/RiotLyte/status/689623553340080128 Nevermind, looks like Lyte touched on this minutes before I posted.

Aeolian Melodies1 votes

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Is disregarding the assigned roles and picking whatever you want "because muh pick order" actually against the rules in the first place?

It'd make sense for it to be, because avoiding that was one of the main reasons behind the new champ select in the first place, but has Riot actually said it's forbidden?

There are people in this very thread claiming that you don't have to follow the assigned roles if you're first pick, so it'd be nice to nip this mentality in the bud.

EDIT: https://twitter.com/RiotLyte/status/689623553340080128 Nevermind, looks like Lyte touched on this minutes before I posted.

What if you legitimately trade roles though? Is it report-based or auto-ban?

theArtifacts2 votes

If you legitimately trade then you wouldn't get a report - it's report based currently but you have to report under unsportsmanlike and explain why. It should be an option on its own.

Draco Nyon2 votes

I've just run into this problem too. First pick had Top and then asked if he could have mid (that was me). I politely declined, because that is what i chose and I finally for once got it. Well not only did he choose to take mid anyways (because he was first) he picked the champ I preselected I wanted to play. This is highly unsportsman like, and trolls like that should be dealt with.

Cabalist2 votes

First off, it is part of Leauge to have these players but the report you suggest should only be in Ranked, not in Norms, where the sky is the limit. Trolling in Norms are quite normal too. But that is what makes the game itself

Oberic3 votes

Your opinion is wrong.

ahferroin72 votes

His opinion is his opinion, and you disagree with it.

I also disagree with it, but your statement is false, opinions are subjective, and are therefore not correct or incorrect.

Kaeyonn2 votes

I wish there was some way to report players for stuff like this somewhere besides after a game as well. I had someone do this to me, and not only did he say he was going to take my role, his friend lower down banned the champion I had hovered, and they were being real jerks about it, too. It would be nice to be able to write down their summoner names and dodge so I don't have to deal with them for the rest of the game.

theArtifacts3 votes

Agreed .

Or even better - an in champ select reporting option that exports the chat/ban/pick log to riot and gives you a free dodge if upon review a dodge was warranted due to breach of the summoners code.

Laisenberg1 votes

Hey but i was just experimenting stuff. You gonna ban me cuz im off meta?

theArtifacts2 votes

This isn't about being off meta. It's about being assigned a certain lane and then going a different lane anyway and trolling your team in the process. You want to take Raka Jungle - that's your decision if you get jungle. You'd probably get a report for that too but it wouldn't be for "Not taking assigned role"

Nautricity1 votes

What about Support Kalista in normals?

theArtifacts1 votes

What about it?

Nautricity1 votes

{quoted}

What about it?

Some consider it troll / Not playing your specified role.

theArtifacts2 votes

{quoted}

Some consider it troll / Not playing your specified role.

If they take kalista support and are playing bot lane, supporting the intended carry then it isn't "not playing specified role". If they take it and just farm CS and play intentionally as the Bot Carry then it would be reportable.

RookPusher1 votes

Adding it in Champ Select is not helpful. That's only going to try an enforce a meta.

Whiskey Snob1 votes

I just got some dude that refused to support me because i had the new prestige Kaisa skin. So he ditched me, left me with Xayah / Morgana and went top

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