Will the autofill support ever be addressed?

KoKoboto·May 7, 2017·1 votes·922 views

You know those bad supports who literally do nothing in the game, I can say a ton about how these kinda players play but that's beyond the point. This is mostly an issue in lower elo, I find I get one of these players ever few games or so. What is often certain is that our bot laner will have an unpleasant experience, pretty much playing the lane 1v2 and going on to lose the lane.

I think these players are part of the scummiest scumbags ever, what do we do with em?

33 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 7, 20175 votes

well wouldnt it be save to say in lower elo it dont matter cuz no one in lower elos know how to play the game anyways?

KoKobotoMay 7, 20171 votes

Hah hah maybe lack of experience and knowledge means technically everyone plays bad.

The basics of support are probably the easiest to pick up though, it usually can be summarized as "use my abilities to protect adc", and at that point it becomes just acting off reactions and being near the adc.

So let's say everyone knows just the basics at low elo, even if they're not the best they still know how to lane. An adc that has a support that knows this simple basic makes the lane so much easier.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 7, 20175 votes

well here is my OPINION on supports and the lack of "skill" at support.

people wanna turn this game into ( has been for a while if you see the meta at support ) cod, mortal combat etc ... people only wanna see damage and kills. they dont give a flat fawk about the strategy of the game and all that entails. so you see people playing full damage ap burst mages at support who are more worried about getting damage instead of wards...

no one on the team picks or builds anything to help the adc survive. you get damage carries top, jungle, mid and support now. and if any of those fail with out having a proper team comp that means the adc usually fails and the team usually loses. so when people get auto filled at support they typically will flat out refuse to get a Sightstone, typically play off meta supports or ap mages as support which dont really help the adc that much.

and by doing that and not having any kind of tank/peel/ cc / engage./disengage etc the team comps are usually shit. i am a support main... from the old school of league starting back in season 2. i cant stand to play adc and have a full ap mage support . it makes me have to be more cautious about any trades or engages i may attemp. lack of vision worries the hell out of me... and if we get ganked its not like a i have a braum, leona, janna someone who can stop the gank and let me be safe. this is where the snowballing of bot lane gets out of control. i have to be super careful of my positioning because if i make a mistake i dont have a tahm, taric, or someone save my ass.

and the issue about autofill supports being bad goes to that support actually does take skill.. maybe not mechanical skill . but map awareness, positioning, game knowledge . etc. and when you get people filled at support who dont know how to play the role it really hurts the entire team.

KoKobotoMay 7, 20171 votes

Hmm I'm just looking at the basics to specifically the support role. Map awareness and positioning are skills all roles require, game knowledge is really broad. Also it's one thing to be an 'carry' support and one thing to be a bad support. Like I said in OP that I could go on and on about what auto fill supports do but I feel we all know that. The thing about most auto fill supports is that they DO NOT protect their carry and that's the issue.

I could be playing LeBlanc support and pressuring the enemy laners, which is already ions better than sitting behind the carry. Although I get slightly agitated seeing the Lux support, if they are keeping the carry safe I'm fine with it, if they're staying back than I call them an auto fill support.

So anyways staying on topic, how do we deal with these auto fill people who straight up are ignorant about support fundamentals or just don't play support?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 7, 20173 votes

well people look at autofill in a negative light. and all the see is how its effecting the game they are in at that moment. i see autofill in the big picture of the over all game play. here me out ...

people now days (last two seasons ) in my opinion try to one trick to much... instead of learning all the game, roles, champs, match ups, etc by having auto fill and people being put in roles they dont normally play they are being forced to learn those roles and all that entails with it (champs, match ups , game knowledge from that role etc ) and in time every one will be better well rounded players ... and it will have a trickle effect that when you go to play rank ( is what every one cries about) that even though you dont get to one trick yi jungle and might have to support you will have enough game knowledge and experience to be comfortable in that role that you arent a complete liability to the team. it will take time. people will continue to bitch over auto fill but in the end it will be good for the player base and the game

KoKobotoMay 8, 20171 votes

So youre saying its mostly an issue on players refusing to play, yet alone learn other roles. I can agree with this but in my journey out of silver and from overall experince I feel auto fill supports players are the worst offenders.

A lot of people just dont like playing support and I feel that is creates auto fill support players to be useless more often than other auto fill roles. Auto fill players might be bad but at least they play their role, get the gist of it which helps win.

Imperial PandaaMay 8, 20171 votes

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The thing about most auto fill supports is that they DO NOT protect their carry and that's the issue.

Yeah, well, I'm not an auto fill support and I don't always protect the carry marksman. If my AD kept ignoring pings to fall back from a gank or ignoring my 5% mana signaling, and still decides to go all in with next to no health. I'm going to look at the other people in game. Pick one and focus on keeping them alive. My friend and que partner could be my adc and I will still abandon him in team fights if I know someone else would be better received for my shields/heals and peels.

The carry isn't always the most important person.

Even had a recent game where we didn't have a marksman and instead had 2 jungles. We won.

KoKobotoMay 8, 20171 votes

Uhhh okay but this is not really related. Also its one thing to be a bad player but play your role and another to be a good play your role. Also understanding who is the most valuable member of your team and who to play around os a higher level skill, im focusing on the basics.

meowwow7May 7, 20171 votes

and lets see what the summary for adc is "gotta do damage" now see adcs should be doing more than that and same with supports because the support also spoon feeds their adc kills and make sure that the god forsaken fed jungler doesn't get the drop on them

KoKobotoMay 7, 20171 votes

Well that is the summary basically. Once learning the fundamentals and how to kite that is great.

The King DiscordMay 10, 20173 votes

ive seen people who get autofilled as sup just go anivia and max w first and spoon feed their adc to the enemy adc so the adc gets reported for feeding

KoKobotoMay 10, 20171 votes

This is exactly what I'm talking about, first person to see where I'm coming from!

Magical PlayerMay 7, 20171 votes

Did you know you can be autofilled in any role? I didn't until I was autofilled jungle I lost that game :D

YerroFeverMay 8, 20171 votes

You have to match your support's play style OR your support has to match your play style.

Being rigid and expecting the support to always match your play style is pretty self centered and unrealistic, especially if they pick passive champs. I see ADC's do this way too much. They blame the support for not supporting when they just mechanically can't.

Also, if you're going all in and your support is a timid player, then you can't be upset that you've been feeding the whole laning phase if you're always forcing fights and seeing that your support isn't going in with you.

Die once or twice and then just play safe and understand your support isn't a match for your laning style. Just farm CS and get to mid game so you can start having team fights. Don't keep forcing fights and complain because that frustrates everyone.

KoKobotoMay 8, 20171 votes

Sure. How does this deal with auto fill supports? I think a lot of people here are just thinking that Im calling all support players bad. In specifically calling out people who get auto filled into the role and dont do there job.

YerroFeverMay 9, 20171 votes

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Sure. How does this deal with auto fill supports? I think a lot of people here are just thinking that Im calling all support players bad. In specifically calling out people who get auto filled into the role and dont do there job.

What do you mean when you say they "dont do their job"? Your statement is too vague because what your definition of what their job is might not be the same as what support mains think.

KoKobotoMay 9, 20171 votes

I'm looking at the very basics and I'm thinking lane pressure and protecting the carry, this is mostly during the lane phase as well.

For example your typical mage support who sits behind the carry in lane phase. Also I'd say I main support second.

YerroFeverMay 10, 20171 votes

Lets parse out your examples:

Lane pressure I don't know what your definition of lane pressure is so if I am misinterpreting your words, I apologize but here's my definition and hopefully it matches and the explanation will help.

Pressure in LOL (to me) is forcing the enemy to choose a different strat and sacrifice something to compensate for your strat.

So for example, punishing an enemy ADC by bursting them if they get too close to trying to last hit. Or you punish them for engaging your ADC while they are farming. Or another example would be pushing up to their tower and making it more difficult to last hit by poking them but still keeping vision in the river so that the jungler has to come down to try and save the bottom tower instead of ganking other lanes with enough notice to escape a gank.

Things like that are what I consider pressure in a lane and in general on the map. I would consider things like split pushing or forcing objectives more of overall map pressure rather than specific lane pressure but I hope you get what I mean by lane pressure

Not all supports are going to put on lane pressure depending on the enemy play style, ADC play style, and jungler. For example, if you have a very low mobility ADC and no healing support, you aren't going to try and focus on exchanges with an enemy lane that has high ADC mobility and a healing support. Why would you try and put lane pressure on in a comp where you are out sustained and your ADC cannot escape as well if they get caught out badly?

It's like... if you have a Varus and a Vel Koz on the enemy team and you have a Miss Fortune and Nami on your team, your bot lane isn't going to focus on trades because you're seriously out damaged. What your lane is going to do is focus more on farming until your junlger can come down and help with a gank and put them on the defensive. Do you really expect your Nami to start going all in? No, that's just suicide.

You have to look at the overall situation before you judge someone because sometimes there's nothing you can do during lane without outside help.

Protecting the carry This depends on how adaptive the ADC is for me. If I see that the ADC is suicidal and does not understand that the comp was countered at champion select, there's no point in protecting the ADC. Even if you use every single summoner and spell you have, you're hard countered and you'll lose the exchange, your ADC goes in anyway? What is the point? This isn't on the support and it has everything to do with an inflexible ADC.
Typical mage support who sits behind the carry Some mage sups are long range and sometimes they stay behind the ADC because they can safely poke the enemy team.

Now if they're like an annie and they're standing behind you, I get the complaint. Annie has shorter range and should be a little more in your face because that stun is super important.

However, this also might be due to the ADC's play style and that if the support sees that the ADC does not follow up on good exchanges. The ADC is AAing and pushing instead of last hitting and neither of them have escapes except summoners.

Overall I guess what I'm saying is that the ADC should work in tandem with the Support. The point of the support isn't to be the ADC's slave and sacrifice themselves all the time for the ADC. The support will only do that if the ADC is worth saving. That means the ADC has to respect the support. Whether you agree with it or not, support is actually a difficult role.

The support is the one who is tasked with warding the map, despite the fact that Riot has already capped the number of wards a player puts down. If there aren't enough wards, everyone blames the support even if there are only 4 wards on the map and they're all the support's. They get blamed for not being placed in better places.

The support is also tasked with judging lane exchanges and also team fights. Knowing who to cast what spells on. Constantly casting spells on the ADC isn't always the best because if there is say someone else who is doing a better job at taking down enemies and the ADC is being super lack luster, spamming all of the support abilities to protect an ineffective ADC is pointless and actually detrimental to the team. You have to know how your spells affect your teammates and how they affect the enemy team mates. What is better to cast when? Who do you target in your lane match up?

The support has to know how to AA minions and set them up for last hits in the event the ADC is being pushed and is losing farm to the tower.

The support has to know how to freeze a lane when their ADC backs or know how and when to push and reset.

Etc...

I don't think it's fair to just dump all over the support in general because the point of the support IMO isn't to cater to the ADC, but to cater to the team.

KoKobotoMay 10, 20171 votes

Mhm is all I have to say to most of your examples. I feel this is a huge tangent. I have a good understanding of support

I don't think it's fair to just dump all over the support in general because the point of the support IMO isn't to cater to the ADC, but to cater to the team.

Once again:

I think a lot of people here are just thinking that Im calling all support players bad. In specifically calling out people who get auto filled into the role and dont do there job.

Here's an example from The King Discord that would match my definition of an auto fill support

ive seen people who get autofilled as sup just go anivia and max w first and spoon feed their adc to the enemy adc so the adc gets reported for feeding

To me auto fill and being a bad are the same thing and I don't care about bad players. On the other hand players who make it obvious that they have no intention of support are scumbags.

Quoting myself again:

Give me the Alistar that messes up combos occasionally and gets caught out sometimes over the Lux that provides no lane pressure and takes farm any day.

YerroFeverMay 10, 20171 votes

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Mhm is all I have to say to most of your examples. I feel this is a huge tangent. I have a good understanding of support

Once again:

Here's an example from The King Discord that would match my definition of an auto fill support

To me auto fill and being a bad are the same thing and I don't care about bad players. On the other hand players who make it obvious that they have no intention of support are scumbags.

Quoting myself again:

So you're just labelling someone an "autofill support" if they intentionally assist the enemy team by either getting you killed or intentionally not assisting you in fights and intentionally losing the lane?

KoKobotoMay 10, 20171 votes

Edit: I glossed over what you said sorry, short answer: Yes

I take it your main issue here is semantics.~~~~ I only call people who do this auto fill supports because I find this only happens with auto fill supports, no other lane actively refuses to do their role if they get auto filled into it as much as with the support role. ~~I imagine this is because people in general would rather play their mains or don't think that support is fun but that's off topic.~~

~~If it makes you more comfortable we can call them something else though troll but I really don't care whatever you call them.~~

I made this post to address the issue of players who do this and I've really only gotten one comment that only skims the surface of the issue. Also got another comment that sees the issue. The rest are people thinking that I'm bashing support as a role or feel the need to tell me support is not easy / the team needs to work together, which I already know.

So going back to the topic, what do we do with these players?

YerroFeverMay 11, 20171 votes

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Edit: I glossed over what you said sorry, short answer: Yes

I take it your main issue here is semantics.~~~~ I only call people who do this auto fill supports because I find this only happens with auto fill supports, no other lane actively refuses to do their role if they get auto filled into it as much as with the support role. ~~I imagine this is because people in general would rather play their mains or don't think that support is fun but that's off topic.~~

~~If it makes you more comfortable we can call them something else though troll but I really don't care whatever you call them.~~

I made this post to address the issue of players who do this and I've really only gotten one comment that only skims the surface of the issue. Also got another comment that sees the issue. The rest are people thinking that I'm bashing support as a role or feel the need to tell me support is not easy / the team needs to work together, which I already know.

So going back to the topic, what do we do with these players?

Attempt to build a rapport as quickly as possible in pregame chat to make sure they'll try to help you. You can't completely control whether they actually plays support to the best of their ability but you can sway them away from trolling you by trying to treat them like people and if they didn't get the lane they wanted, if you're comfortable with playing support, ask thm if they want to trade roles and see if they like playing your more. Typically this will lead to other teammates offering to trade roles if their preferred role is also up for grabs and it can lead to rearrangements of lanes but usually ends with overall more happy teammates rather than one super bitter teammate and 4 happy teammates which turn to 5 unhappy teammates at the end because 1 intentionally lost the game for them.

If you don't want to offer your role to trade, then just try to be nice and hope for the best. If they still decide to troll you in game, report and let Riot deal with them.

KoKobotoMay 11, 20171 votes

Yes strategies that I have tried before and generally cant say anything is nothing works 100% of the time.

"Man I hope I dont get another shitty support."

"What ADC do you want?"

"What are you gonna play?"

"I usually play passive as X but I can play whatever"

"(Random friendly comment unrelated to league)"

"Bot lane I'll try to gank if you pick CC"

"We could use some more engage/CC/peel/heals/damage"

"What's the game plan?"

"Can I support? I dont want to have another trash support on my team."

I shouldnt have to BS kindness or anything just to get a person to play their role.

Also here's another thing about auto fill supports is that they dont always activemy go out of the way to ruin a game. More often than not it is inaction that screws over my bot lane carry with things like lane pressure, warding, not helping the carry farm, not peeling.

Problem with reporting is that these kind of things cant be banned because the cases are really unique and stuff. You cant check chat logs/KDA/damage dealt,healed/wards placed to tell a person is doing nothing and ban them. When I report someone for feeding I usually get the report message thing. When I report someone for being an autofill support nothing happens EVER.

Mizuki ZahraMay 9, 20171 votes

as a support main I hate it when I get an autofilled adc that flashes instead of taking lantern, or worse those pesky autofilled junglers who don't gank until they are lv6 and just afk farm for 15 min.

autofilled mid omg don't get me started about not following nor even pinging mia like yyyyyyyy

and top nothing happens top when both are autofilled like the gam ewas a 4v4 for 30 min and top wasn't even touched -.-

KoKobotoMay 9, 20171 votes

Mhm but all of those can be equated to just bad players. Auto fill support players on the other hand are different than just a bad support. They often knowingly do not perform the role of the support which in my opinion far worse than any other role doing bad. Support isn't just for protecting the carry but is for the whole team and enhances the whole team's ability to perform. Not to mention that an auto fill support assures the bot lane carry will lose lane.

Give me the Alistar that messes up combos occasionally and gets caught out sometimes over the Lux that provides no lane pressure and takes farm any day.

Mizuki ZahraMay 9, 20171 votes

jungle isn't just for jungle but for the team by helping all lanes

top should help out by split pushing/ tp bot ganks

mid should be pressure from mid lane to both top and bot and sometimes jungle

autofill any role is bad

I was supporting for an autofilled adc and they fed a lot they flashed instead of taking lantern and their cs at 20 min was under 100 where enemy adc cs was 200 ish

KoKobotoMay 10, 20171 votes

I think you're completely missing my point here so I'm going to repeat myself.

Auto fill support players on the other hand are different than just a bad support. They often knowingly do not perform the role of the support which in my opinion far worse than any other role doing bad.

Mizuki ZahraMay 10, 20172 votes

No ur missing the point completely like dude any role auto filled is bad for the team so why attack support role

KoKobotoMay 10, 20171 votes

By saying that you're saying that there are problems with auto fill when their really isn't. If auto fill made the game worse entirely for the team it would result in higher loss rate for those situations but this isn't true anywhere. Lemme give an example so you can understand.

Your typical Yasuo only player gets auto filled to support, picks some cheese like Donger and proceeds to take farm and do nothing to help the carry throughout lane phase. The reason this happens to the support role most often is because there is arguably less support players and people who like to play support in total. Now should this Yasuo get auto filled top, mid, jg than they'd just try to play to those conditions, farm the jg, fight top lane w/ tp plays, or play mid like normal.

Mizuki ZahraMay 10, 20172 votes

I'm done you are too dense and one sided it's agree with your opinion because it's fact. Good luck in life bruh until you learn to see all sides you will never truly see

KoKobotoMay 10, 20171 votes

No I completely understand you, auto fill in any role is pretty bad but I'm not focusing on bad players I'm focusing on neglecting the responsibilities of your role.

I could have a 0/7 Lee Sin or a 0/7 Soraka, I don't think either of them higher or lesser at all they're just doing bad. When I get an auto fill support that say locks on Donger and refuses to actually support then I have a problem.

The King DiscordMay 10, 20171 votes

they somewhat fixed it with the coin rework forceing the "afk sups" to go into minion waves to get their gold

DrCrackerr85May 11, 20171 votes

i know the feeling, just farm and let them keep dying. Don't get baited by them and follow them up and u die too. Thats what i do in these situations. Wait for your jungler to go aggressive on them!