@Riot. if your in game player moderation. Doesn't WORK. what are we supposed to do?

MunchCrunchLunch·Sep 7, 2016·1 votes·1,639 views

My last thread got deleted because riot doesn't want people to see the failure of their system. If someone admits to intent feeding. and does so. why don't they get punished?. 3 times today. 3 they admit to intent feeding. by the way. one of them. was on the enemy team. and i felt bad.

how the hell does your system work?

an i talk to someone. at riot moderation. to specifically. talk to them about these incidents. and get some justice going. why can't we have a clean experience in this game. ?

a player our whole team reported. and the enemy team. hours ago. is in a game right now. he literally typied in chat that he will intent feed. how is this okay?

18 Comments

Deep Terror NamiSep 7, 20168 votes

My last thread got deleted because riot doesn't want people to see the failure of their system.

The moderators are a third party and don't likely care much about the in-game systems, because it's got nothing to do with them. You should've received a notification that explained why your post was deleted.

MunchCrunchLunchSep 7, 20161 votes

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The moderators are a third party and don't likely care much about the in-game systems, because it's got nothing to do with them. You should've received a notification that explained why your post was deleted.

my post was deleted because apparently. THE INGAMGE. INGAAAAAAAME (geez they are so confident of the ingame system oh boy). is supposed to take care of those issues. but it isn't. riot is supposedly. supposed to punish intent feeders. when you feed. and say that you are feeding on purpose. you are feeding on purpose. you are intent feeding. and you should be banned. why is this allowed?

Kei143Sep 7, 20167 votes

Oh .. I guess you were naming and shaming?

No wonder you got it deleted. That is not allowed here.

Intentional feeding is very different from feeding, and dying over and over again cos they are trying to make a play and recoup or they are just are bad. Looks like you are confusing that with real intentional feeding.

MunchCrunchLunchSep 7, 20161 votes

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Oh .. I guess you were naming and shaming?

No wonder you got it deleted. That is not allowed here.

Intentional feeding is very different from feeding, and dying over and over again cos they are trying to make a play and recoup or they are just are bad. Looks like you are confusing that with real intentional feeding.

no i wasn't naming and shaming the game started. the support was like. imma inetent feed. literally. he said it in chat. in fucking words. and he did.

can't riot look up chat logs. and if i was the reason why they fed, because am "toxic" am happy to get permabanned

i dont fucking lie kid.

ModMod CuratorSep 7, 20163 votes

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no i wasn't naming and shaming the game started. the support was like. imma inetent feed. literally. he said it in chat. in fucking words. and he did.

can't riot look up chat logs. and if i was the reason why they fed, because am "toxic" am happy to get permabanned

i dont fucking lie kid.

It was Naming & Shaming. It even said so in your notification.

You can't show names even if it's just in Match Histories linked here. No names.

Kei143Sep 7, 20162 votes

lawl ..

summoner 11

MunchCrunchLunchSep 7, 20161 votes

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It was Naming & Shaming. It even said so in your notification.

You can't show names even if it's just in Match Histories linked here. No names.

okay i understood that wrong. however. will they get punished or no? i just want to get a grasp of your magnificent system? can you answer a question that makes your system look bad. or no? can you answer this question at all?

what am i supposed to do if your system doesn't work? when am giving you all the things you need. to make it work. why are intent feeders. people that ruing other player;s experience. not being punished. i wouldn't be here. if the system works. why can't there not be a problem to begin with in the first place so i don't have to come here

if your gonna call me for naming and shaming. fine. you got me thats my fault. but am calling others for intent feeding. and so are the other 8 people in those matches. what are you going to do about it? you have the proof. you have evidence. what is the system for?

ModMod CuratorSep 7, 20165 votes

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okay i understood that wrong. however. will they get punished or no? i just want to get a grasp of your magnificent system? can you answer a question that makes your system look bad. or no? can you answer this question at all?

what am i supposed to do if your system doesn't work? when am giving you all the things you need. to make it work. why are intent feeders. people that ruing other player;s experience. not being punished. i wouldn't be here. if the system works. why can't there not be a problem to begin with in the first place so i don't have to come here

Boards Moderation has nothing to do with in-game behavioral punishments. That's why it's pointless to post names on the Boards. We literally can't help you. We only deal with Boards issues.

If you want someone to get punished for in-game actions, you absolutely, positively have to report them using the in-game system.

Keep in mind, not all behaviors get punished instantly. In some cases the player needs to show that they do this consistently before they are punished.

Not xPekeSep 7, 20161 votes

And that's wrong imo.

I'd rather punish someone for an extreme outburst even if just a couple times, than someone with a mild negative atittude that does it more often than the true toxic player that goes full ham.

Quality over quantity (but in this case reverse of quality XD, and in this case, "quality" would be bad to have of course).

Has Riot never considered this by the way? Genuine question. It's not the first time I hear you have to be consistently negative to be punished in most cases, some don't get punished immediately because "bad days happen". I'm sorry being wished cancer and witness heavy amounts of toxicity due to a "bad day" is not acceptable. That is much worse than the salty passive aggressive player that can't help his saltiness (though should of course, I'm not condoning him). At the end of the day, he's not the one going completely out of his way to hurt, offend, threaten someone.

I know for a fact that 90% of players I've reported that used the word "cancer" are all alive and well playing this game without a single suspension, let alone chat restriction. Mind you the times you witness someone saying "cancer" when flaming is not a one off sentence. It might be a bad day but if they say that and similar insults for 20+ minutes in the game they should be banned for that one game alone. They should not be given a pass because they don't usually "flame".

Riot's got it wrong on this one.

Kei143Sep 7, 20163 votes

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I know for a fact that 90% of players I've reported that used the word "cancer" are all alive and well playing this game without a single suspension, let alone chat restriction. Mind you the times you witness someone saying "cancer" when flaming is not a one off sentence. It might be a bad day but if they say that and similar insults for 20+ minutes in the game they should be banned for that one game alone. They should not be given a pass because they don't usually "flame".

Actually you don't know who has got a chat restriction. You also won't know who has been punished at a later date cos the only thing Riot currently notifies you is that the game that just ended and that you reported someone in, if that person was punished, then you'll get the notification.

We also don't know which punishment will show that notification (so we might not get a notification when someone gets chat restricited).

That being said, Riot is looking to improve on behaviroal visibility. Probably will see it after the new client is up and running smoothly.

Not xPekeSep 7, 20161 votes

Actually I do. My friend actually tested it himself. He formed a premade and used words such as "cancer" and similar stuff. Got his team to report him and he wasn't punished. He spent ages typing negative stuff like "get cancer", and received no chat restriction. Maybe he doesn't flame usually, but that's exactly my point. His one outburst should have been enough to trigger a suspension. Again.. quality over quantity any day of the week. He should have been punished.

Riot is too busy banning people for simply arguing with their teammates like normal human beings do, than banning true toxicity or trolling.

And.. NO I'm not chat restricted or banned, I simply see it this way, can't help it sorry, it's how I see it.

Also, they say that if it's your report that triggers the suspension you do get notified. And that's exactly my point. The system should trigger the punishment on my report if this guy was throwing the word cancer around. I should have been notified immediately. Not have the system wait and see if the player does it again.

Are you sure you don't get notified if they get a chat restriction? I'm pretty sure you do. I added a guy that flamed my team in game to ask him what punishment he got after seeing the message pop up. And he said it was a simple chat restriction, which would also make sense as he wouldn't be able to talk to me on the client if he was suspended for 2 weeks or perma banned right? So I did get notified. And you know wha'ts funny about that incident? I was with a premade of 4 and 1 of my "friends" flamed the solo player so hard, legit really badly. Guess who got punished? The solo player. Nice system.

Also, if indeed he was punished but I didn't get a notification, then I am not to blame if I don't trust/believe in the system. It's common sense to feel that way.

Kei143Sep 8, 20161 votes

Nice to see that chat restrictions also get notifications. So thanks for that tip. I've always questioned whether it worked that way.

One thing that Riot has said, that the system takes in account you are playing with friends, and playful bickering between friends won't have an effect on punishment.

So maybe your buddy didn't get punished for cancering cos he was with his buddies, and that reduced the reporting effectiveness? Who knows, we really don't have too much visibility in the current behavioral system.

Not xPekeSep 8, 20161 votes

Not all 4 of the players in that premade were friends with him. Besides my friend was typing stuff in the All-chat as well. But maybe you're right, being reported by friends or buddies might have had a reduced effect.

You're also right with not having enough visibility in the current behavioural system. And that's what annoys me.

It's only logical that players are not happy with how the system works when we are not given enough information and visibility to make us trust the system.

MunchCrunchLunchSep 7, 20163 votes

how do i get downvoted for bringing only facts. riot themselves. can go through the chat logs. and see what these players have themselves said. why are people. so defensive in this forum. how am i being offensive to you. why the hell do you try to put words in my mouth. why are you making assumptions. and believing them. with no substance what so ever,

MeilinIISep 7, 20168 votes

Simple. You don't have facts. You have a biased perception and are mistaking your opinion for facts. [slayer-jinx-catface]

Kei143Sep 7, 20163 votes

upvotes and downvotes mean as much as your e-penz0r. aka nothing.

people upvote / downvote for variety of reasons. It could be that they disagree with what you say, it could be that your facts are not straight, it could even be that they didn't read your contents of the post and just didn't like your title.

and no one posted here so far was defensive other than yourself.

SquarepusherSep 7, 20161 votes

Riot only cares about "rude/offensive chat" that their computer monitoring systems can easily detect (like curse words).

Feeding, although having a huge impact in ruining the actual game, takes too much work to really moderate unfortunately.

EvilDustManSep 7, 20162 votes

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Riot only cares about "rude/offensive chat" that their computer monitoring systems can easily detect (like curse words).

Feeding, although having a huge impact in ruining the actual game, takes too much work to really moderate unfortunately.

Ignore him.