"I CAN'T GET MY HEXTECH REWARDS THIS IS SO UNFAIR"

Astôlfo·Mar 19, 2016·35 votes·4,438 views

"So like, it's totally everyone else's fault. They were being rude to me. So I decided to be a complete asshole to them back! And then I got in trouble! That makes no sense!1!1!!11!! If they didn't want to hear it, they should've used the mute button or chat filter, right? Mute function and chat filters TOTALLY excuse being a complete dick to other people! SO IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT!!!1!!!11 I shouldn't get in trouble, I don't deserve it! I SPENT LIKE OVER 9000000000000000000000000000 DOLLARS ON THIS GAME, THAT MAKES ME IMMUNE TO BREAKING THE RULES!

I BET THEY WERE ALL A BUNCH OF KIDS WHO DON'T EVEN SPEND MONEY. So like, why do I get in trouble and not them! Such unfair! And like, thanks to them, now I can't get free rewards that are given to people who've been on good behavior! I've been on good behavior for 999999 years, and I've been playing since Season -9999999999999999! They were being rude to me and I was just defending myself!

Calling them f****** and s**** and telling them to go kill themselves and telling them to uninstall and/or otherwise being a complete asshole to them is totally just defending myself because THEY STARTED IT!!11!!!!1!!! So how come I can't get my rewards?!1!1!!?!! THIS IS SO UNFAIR!"

/s [slayer-jinx-wink]

71 Comments

Space Boy Lynk Mar 19, 201610 votes

I understand where you're coming from, but I've been reading a lot of these threads, and the general consensus seems to think that fighting fire with fire isn't the way to do it, and this thread basically comes off as flaming the flamers for being punished due to their flaming. I was banned from hextech as well, but I haven't really cared enough to make a thread (I know i'll reform soon enough, as I try to be as positive as possible), and I just posted that comment in this thread and in one other thread to maybe ask people to show some mercy to the people that were banned. One thing that I learned in psychology is that positive reinforcement is extremely effective, but negative reinforcement only controls behavior due to fear, doesn't really fix the behavior, and causes a lot of mental health issues in the future, including sensitivity, aggression, and chronic anger.

AstôlfoMar 19, 20164 votes

I mean, I've gotten a 2 week ban on my first infraction a really long time back when I was still really immature and got angry way too easily. After going through it though, I've calmed down a lot and become a lot more helpful and kind to players. If someone angers me whether intentionally or not, I usually don't pay them attention, or I offer encouragement/advice if they're just doing badly/etc. It's helped a lot. I'm still restricted as well, but I know I fully deserved said punishment, so I don't question it. I find just the fact I did good enough to get an S ranking is pleasurable in the first place, to be honest. I mean, we didn't have Hextech anytime before now, so it really doesn't mean too much. Yes, I am encouraged to become better because it's a nice system of reward, but I'm not trying to become better for the rewards.

Yeah, I get the thing about psychology, I've studied abnormal & social pschology both as well. Negative reinforcement/using fear isn't really the best/most optimal option, but it still works, and can sometimes be easier/more efficient than positive reinforcement, hence current systems. And yeah, I get it would just anger the people who get punished more, but I'm of the opinion that one should realize they're making themselves a nuisance and work to fix that themselves, instead of just complaining when they get punished.

Not sure why your earlier post got downvoted, it wasn't me :P I agree with your points, and you're being civil about it, so upvotes from me :P

DJ KatarinaMar 20, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Flux Aeterna,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=NM6YVNXb,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-19T22:24:35.758+0000)

I understand where you're coming from, but I've been reading a lot of these threads, and the general consensus seems to think that fighting fire with fire isn't the way to do it, and this thread basically comes off as flaming the flamers for being punished due to their flaming. I was banned from hextech as well, but I haven't really cared enough to make a thread (I know i'll reform soon enough, as I try to be as positive as possible), and I just posted that comment in this thread and in one other thread to maybe ask people to show some mercy to the people that were banned. One thing that I learned in psychology is that positive reinforcement is extremely effective, but negative reinforcement only controls behavior due to fear, doesn't really fix the behavior, and causes a lot of mental health issues in the future, including sensitivity, aggression, and chronic anger.

QFT

AstôlfoMar 20, 20161 votes

What's QFT?

DJ KatarinaMar 20, 20161 votes

Quoted for truth.

Space Boy Lynk Mar 19, 20164 votes

I don't think it's that simple.

I earned the summoner icon for positive behavior, the Santa icon for positive behavior, the New Year's skin for positive behavior, and had the friendly ribbon before Riot decided to take away 90% of the community's ribbons.

I had one really bad day on here where I was swearing like a sailor because I was stressed out that day and didn't realize it when I logged on, and my teammates were extra toxic; like four people flaming each other, and me, even though we were ahead, and then inevitably losing. That was most of the games that day, as well.

I managed to earn myself a chat restriction in one day, after two years of positive behavior and nothing but honors and friend requests and smiley faces. Now I'm ineligible for Hextech, and being reminded of that after every game I earn an S in, and after every game teammates say the community would be more positive if there were more people like me.

Edit: Also, you're being just as toxic as most of the people crying about bans and punishments. You might want to rephrase your post to avoid unwanted bias.

AstôlfoMar 19, 20162 votes

I get that the ineligibility period seems a bit long, but I'm talking about the people who just more or less recently got a punishment/just came off said punishment (as in a few games after restriction ended/a few days after ban ended/etc). Then they go and complain and raise all hell in a thread about it being unfair they can't get the rewards, which make no sense.

And the whole point of the post was to parody threads like that, which is why it's phrased like that.

Braum MechanicsMar 20, 20162 votes

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I get that the ineligibility period seems a bit long, but I'm talking about the people who just more or less recently got a punishment/just came off said punishment (as in a few games after restriction ended/a few days after ban ended/etc). Then they go and complain and raise all hell in a thread about it being unfair they can't get the rewards, which make no sense.

And the whole point of the post was to parody threads like that, which is why it's phrased like that.

I understand where it is coming from. But this topic isn't even funny anymore, not that it ever was.

Also this pretty much feels to me a mockery or bullying to me. It's like you are sticking your tongue out at other kids because you got a candy for being on good behavior and they didn't get one because they misbehaved.

It's nice that Riot is commending good behavior and implementing reward/punishment policies. But we all are adults or at least know what is right and what is wrong. We shouldn't be expecting a pat on our back for not telling poorly performing team mates to go die IRL.

I don't appreciate threads like this, pretty much feels like rubbing salt into wounds.

AstôlfoMar 20, 20161 votes

It is a mockery, that's the point. And I'm restricted as well, but I'm intelligent enough to know that I deserved it and that there's no reason for me to complain about it being stupid or undeserved. So it's not really bragging about me getting rewards while they didn't. And Riot does it because that's just how bad this community is. lol

And yes, I am rubbing salt into wounds because I find it amusing.

Space Boy Lynk Mar 19, 20162 votes

I agree with a lot of those points. I'm actually having the same conversation in another thread, where someone brought up the point where they needed external help specifically to point out when their behavior was getting out of hand. It makes me wonder if the mind is designed to see itself as flawless until questioned from an outside source, and to what lengths does it go to prove that false perfection.

I've noticed one common theme among all of the most successful actors, successful business owners, artists, entrepreneurs, etc., and that's a support group. Nobody really ever improved themselves by themselves. Nobody gets successful by themselves. You can argue that one makes the decision to want to improve and then seeks help, but I think that even if someone wants to improve themselves, they won't know what to improve until evaluated from an unbiased third-party. A good metaphor is music production, where the general rule of thumb is that the original beat maker should never mix and master his own instrumental, because he won't really hear any errors, and think they belong in the song. It takes a third-party engineer to mix and master a song to its fullest potential. Another example more relatable to League would be someone wanting to improve their play, but when watching their recorded games, they don't see anything wrong, so they go on YouTube to watch guides on positioning and decision-making.

I think all of that translates to League pretty well, in that, people tend to forget they have a 4-man support group, and at the end of the day, we all want the same goal, which is to have fun and win. I feel like the toxic behavior comes in when one person wants to do all the work themselves and flames the instant an unexpected variable comes up that can compromise their solo glory. My favorite games are when nobody carries, everyone on the team does extremely well, and nobody trash talks the enemy team.

AstôlfoMar 19, 20161 votes

I mean, to be fair, it's also part of just a self-preservation instinct. It can be hard to admit that they themselves were the cause of the problem. Why? Because the brain is trying to protect itself. So the easiest solution is to pin the blame on something else, so that it doesn't reflect as badly on you. However, while I do understand this, it gets a bit ridiculous sometimes, as easily visible in some other PB&M threads.

And I mean, third parties for help are perfectly fine (counselors/support groups/etc). But what I mean is they shouldn't have to step in and baby someone through it. The ones who are in trouble should seek out said groups and then work with them to get better. And while I get that it's hard for people to admit that they're the source, people need to take the effort to realize that and then work on it. Because nothing will ever get anywhere if they just continually deny they're the source of the problem. Like with your music maker example. They themselves should realize it'll obviously be biased if they're the only ones looking at it, so they should go through the effort of seeking out someone else who can help with that from another viewpoint (the mixer/etc). They shouldn't rely on mixers to come looking for them and volunteer to help out. Get what I mean?

And yeah. People are too obsessed about being the one to carry the whole team or be the star or have some amazing KDA. The thing people need to realize is the other 4 people on your team are there to help the whole team, not just one person feel fabulous. The whole point is teamwork and working together, but people get too stuck on killstealing/people not doing well/little things for it to work over well usually. And I agree with you. Games like that are really nice.

Space Boy Lynk Mar 19, 20162 votes

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I mean, to be fair, it's also part of just a self-preservation instinct. It can be hard to admit that they themselves were the cause of the problem. Why? Because the brain is trying to protect itself. So the easiest solution is to pin the blame on something else, so that it doesn't reflect as badly on you. However, while I do understand this, it gets a bit ridiculous sometimes, as easily visible in some other PB&M threads.

Agreed.

And I mean, third parties for help are perfectly fine (counselors/support groups/etc). But what I mean is they shouldn't have to step in and baby someone through it. The ones who are in trouble should seek out said groups and then work with them to get better. And while I get that it's hard for people to admit that they're the source, people need to take the effort to realize that and then work on it. Because nothing will ever get anywhere if they just continually deny they're the source of the problem. Like with your music maker example. They themselves should realize it'll obviously be biased if they're the only ones looking at it, so they should go through the effort of seeking out someone else who can help with that from another viewpoint (the mixer/etc). They shouldn't rely on mixers to come looking for them and volunteer to help out. Get what I mean?

That's the thing. Mix engineers don't come to you unless you're part of a label. Every artist knows that from the get-go. You have to find one that is familiar with your musical genre, and then pay for their services. In the music industry, you're forced to seek out help and education and invest in yourself financially to even have a chance at being successful. That's why it's so difficult. You can invest so much into it and still get nowhere. At least with League, your success is measurable, and inevitable, if the right steps are taken.

And yeah. People are too obsessed about being the one to carry the whole team or be the star or have some amazing KDA. The thing people need to realize is the other 4 people on your team are there to help the whole team, not just one person feel fabulous. The whole point is teamwork and working together, but people get too stuck on killstealing/people not doing well/little things for it to work over well usually. And I agree with you. Games like that are really nice.

Yeah, I used to play with a couple of friends who would play a carry role and rage if they were 0/2/16. At the end of the day, it's up to you to last hit. I can understand being upset when the support walking up and last hitting your kill when you have ignite on them and the tower shot is on the way, but really, it doesn't matter. Everybody needs gold, because gold gets you items which is better stats. When I play a tank or a bruiser, and I take kills, I say sorry just no nobody gets uspet, but really, I'm trying to get as beefy as possible so I can protect my carries and soak up an absurd amount of damage for how early in the game it is. My Amumu average over 32 games is 6/4/16, and nobody has complained about me getting kills, because they know if I soak up all the damage and peel enough, everybody will get their portion, and we all get LP, as a team.

AstôlfoMar 19, 20161 votes

Agreed. And about the last point. Sure, kills are nice because it gives you specifically more gold last time I checked. But the thing is, no matter who gets said kill, it still was a kill, meaning the enemy's down one player. Sure, it's probably better for someone that's not a support to get it because the support's not the one directly attacking and more gold helps for more damage items, but there's no reason to rage at support for a few kills accidental or not here and there. They're also the ones who soak up damage partially, keep the team alive, coordinate things, and help you get kills and stay alive early on as well as later in teamfights. So the whole thing about the concept of "kill stealing" is just really stupid imo. Yeah, I get it if you basically had it and someone snipes you, but in just normal fighting, it shouldn't really matter who gets the kill, because everyone's trying to help the team overall (usually). And if you win the game, everyone still gets LP, so... yeah.

Space Boy Lynk Mar 20, 20162 votes

Exactly. There have also been a few times where I acquired 300g for an assist, which leads to me believe that assist gold is assigned based on actual contribution to a kill, so if someone walks up and takes it, you can still get more gold than you would've for just black shielding a teammate as Morgana.

I also like how this turned into a friendly conversation about League, lol.

AstôlfoMar 20, 20161 votes

There's a lot of factors that decide the rewards from a kill. I don't know all of them, but they include damage done, participation in the battle for it otherwise, duration of time (probably?) involved, etc. So yeah.

MyozthirirnMar 20, 20161 votes

Assist gold = 50% of kill gold split beetween all the people who assisted Max kill gold = 500 Max assist gold = 250 (split beetween all assisters, aka 250 if only one assisted)

EvilRabbittMar 20, 20161 votes

Including or excluding shutdown? Nice math btw :)

LevyathynMar 21, 20162 votes

I hate to play Devil's Advocate, and this is hard for most people to do, but I want you to remember one thing that's kind of important to me, though I've never had so much as a chat restriction.

There are a shit ton of once toxic or even just reprimanded players out there patiently waiting on getting into Hextech rewards, who aren't posting about it, complaining, or trying to change it. And some of them may even be reformed or considering reform, if they truly needed it.

I just think it's nice to remember the silent majority every now and then.

AstôlfoMar 22, 20161 votes

Yeah, no that's fine. I completely agree with you. This was just poking fun at those who are toxic, obviously still are, and aren't making any attempt to get better :P

LevyathynMar 22, 20161 votes

Fair cop, and not only do I understand where you were coming from with OP, but I both supported and enjoyed it. I just know there's people in the comments who will undoubtedly be colored to associate all toxicity with that exact mentality--and all trouble players, past present and future, with toxicity. The truth is just more complex, and I just hope people understand that.

LordGeovanniMar 20, 20161 votes

if people were being rude to you first riot should be able to filter those cases and show them some compassion you dont know what it is to take shit from 3-8 people in a lobby and some times its just for dieing once and they go off and they proceed to no play along with you which can cause you to die more then they call you out for feeding

MeilinIIMar 20, 20164 votes

Except not, because 2 wrongs don't make a right and them being mean to you doesn't mean you get to break rules.

LordGeovanniMar 20, 20161 votes

i didnt say be rude back but people will label you as toxic cause you defending your self and if you dont the guy who was complaining and calling you names gets other people to believe that you are the problem cause you might have not camped them or ganked for them or snowballed or missed a mia. if you didnt notice people in this community like to hop on the band wagon

mikemcpartyMar 20, 20163 votes

Just mute the chat. Once again, the "eye for an eye" approach is not going to work for the community.

LordGeovanniMar 21, 20161 votes

just sit back and do nothing while that possible 1-2 reports turns into 6 reports mute it and pretend like it doesnt exist. be the bird that can run 40 mph but stick your head in the ground

Nik NikersonMar 21, 20163 votes

It doesn't matter how many false reports you get. If you aren't actually intentionally feeding, nothing is going to happen to you. By retaliating, you create a situation in which you can be reported validly, and those will get you punished.

LordGeovanniMar 22, 20161 votes

as much as you guys say that i never said bm them back

Nik NikersonMar 22, 20161 votes

Then what are you saying?

AstôlfoMar 20, 20164 votes

Or no, because what other people do is irrelevant. You control your own behavior. If you decide to be an ass, that's on you.

Troll for TrumpMar 20, 20161 votes

So what, that justifies allowing you to be a complete asshole to anyone who's trying to reform?

Do you also pick on people who are trying to live a normal life after getting out of jail?

AstôlfoMar 20, 20162 votes

But they're not trying to reform. They're playing the victim and whining.

Troll for TrumpMar 20, 20162 votes

That's the ones posting on the forums. You are addressing all of them in general.

Usually, the ones posting on boards about it are the actually toxic people. There a few who "Reform" themselves by making similar posts along the lines of "im sorry for being toxic I deserved the ban etc."

Most are trying to reform.

See, the Flux guy's post

I don't think it's that simple. I earned the summoner icon for positive behavior, the Santa icon for positive behavior, the New Year's skin for positive behavior, and had the friendly ribbon before Riot decided to take away 90% of the community's ribbons. etc. etc.

AstôlfoMar 20, 20161 votes

Yes, I'm parodying the ones specifically like that, not every person who's been restricted. I get that there's people honestly trying to reform and I applaud them. I mock those who aren't and just whine about it. :P

EndlessCycleMar 20, 20161 votes

I think its a matter of people being punished for BEING PUNISHED IN THE PAST, which is raising flags within the community. For example, if you were being sent to jail due to a retro-active law being put into place that called for everyone who served jail time within the last 10 years needs to serve another 6 months for additional rehabilitation purposes, how would you feel? Exactly.

Edit: Disclaimer: I am not exempt from Hextech Crafting, and haven't even received a chat restriction.

AstôlfoMar 20, 20161 votes

Or, you'd realize it's nothing like that. You got punished and went to jail. The country you're in has always had a reward-the-good system, where people who do well are rewarded with something. They decide to add another gift to the rewards system. It's still part of the same reward system, and since you've been punished, it doesn't apply to you.

aj502 OneillMar 21, 20162 votes

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I think its a matter of people being punished for BEING PUNISHED IN THE PAST, which is raising flags within the community.

Huh...I wonder who is "raising those flags"? I certainly aren't....

EndlessCycleMar 21, 20161 votes

Cool, dude, you're one person out of thousands..you speak for yourself, not for the community.

aj502 OneillMar 21, 20163 votes

You sure, with more thought, that you wouldn't conclude that the only ones "raising flags within the community" are the asshole rage-trolls that cannot get Hextech rewards???

Yea...Pretty sure I speak for more than myself on that aspect.

XVgayyJxXoMar 20, 20161 votes

I don't like being punished once then punished again because riot says so.

AstôlfoMar 20, 20162 votes

Or, it's not being punished again, and it's just another result of your original punishment that was attached to it.

XVgayyJxXoMar 20, 2016

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Or, it's not being punished again, and it's just another result of your original punishment that was attached to it.

I was banned over a few months ago, how was is nearly new system an attached punishment?

AstôlfoMar 20, 20162 votes

The rewards system has been around much longer. It was usually at the end of each season, where people who've been on good behavior have gotten stuff. This is just an extension of that, except it's determined per game rather than per season.

XVgayyJxXoMar 20, 20161 votes

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The rewards system has been around much longer. It was usually at the end of each season, where people who've been on good behavior have gotten stuff. This is just an extension of that, except it's determined per game rather than per season.

first, the passive aggressive downvote is unnecessary, second this is not an extension. This is a brand new system developed by rito hence why they don't even have an actual 100% stable reform system. Those "rewards" have always been usually icons. I see you're a huge riot fan but this obviously isn't a good case of scenario marketing by riot. The hextech system shouldn't be available to those who are toxic AFTER its release, not those attempting to reform months before it was even a conceivable idea.

AstôlfoMar 20, 20161 votes

Uh, they do have a reform system, but they're still working out the kinks. And no, I'm not a huge Riot fan and I disagree with some of their practices as well.

And this isn't just for marketing, lol. If they wanted just money, they'd make it only achievable through buying with RP and then put Hextech only rewards with that. But that's not what they did. They make it easy to get without spending money, and have nice possible rewards for it too.

XVgayyJxXoMar 20, 20161 votes

{quoted}

Uh, they do have a reform system, but they're still working out the kinks. And no, I'm not a huge Riot fan and I disagree with some of their practices as well.

And this isn't just for marketing, lol. If they wanted just money, they'd make it only achievable through buying with RP and then put Hextech only rewards with that. But that's not what they did. They make it easy to get without spending money, and have nice possible rewards for it too.

uh, as i said it's not 100% but thanks for supporting my statement while contradicting your own by saying kinks. Time to move on.

AstôlfoMar 20, 20162 votes

kbai

Rain NTMar 22, 20161 votes

instead of them muting you, maybe you should mute all of them before game starts

AstôlfoMar 22, 20161 votes

??? I'm not actually complaining about not being able to get rewards. This is a parody thread to mock people who are obviously still toxic and have no intention of reforming but then complain they can't get Hextech.

Rain NTMar 22, 20161 votes

Lmao now that I reread post it in that context..