I just don't understand this..

OatheSworn··2 votes·453 views

I went into a ranked game and got my chosen lane (mid). I flagged Zed but unfortunately the enemy team picked him before me so I went to my second pick (Fizz) but he was banned. Third pick Yasuo? Banned. My only option was Katarina who I rarely play and am not good with but I knew this and so I asked my teammates if I could maybe switch because the only champion I had left was Katarina who I could not play. They weren't bothered and said it was ok. I specifically remember one of them saying "You main Zed and so you should win because you know him better." I tried again for switch but this time none of them replied and so I had to lock Kat (the timer was at less than 10 seconds).

I go into game, not knowing what I'm doing and just as I thought, lost lane. Darius immediately starts flaming me, "You can't even play Katarina, never play her again. Why'd you even pick her." I was trying my best, I didn't recklessly engage, played safe, and didn't try to cs because he was zoning me but even after all that Zed was 6/0. It's a little after mid-game and my tower is gone. Sejuani (Jungler) finally decides to come but at this point, Zed is too strong. I was pretty sure he could 2 v 1 us and so I ask her "Why come now? It's too late. I'd rather you gank another lane where you can actually do something, mid is lost." Darius pipes up, "Stop crying, you suck. What are you whining about." Sejuani then says in [All] to report me for flaming. Doesn't mention the Darius who was picking on me all game. I wasn't flaming, all I meant was that there was nothing she could do.

I honestly don't understand people like this. Whenever this happens I always warn them that I can't play mid because (reason) and that if anyone is offering to switch I'd take it. Sometimes someone does offer a switch but the times they don't they either encourage me or ignore me but it doesn't matter because end result is always the same. I get flamed and reported as trolling even after I told them I can't play the role.

Because I run into this problem so often, I tried to broaden my champion pool and who I can play decently. I've bought Ahri, Veigar, Annie, Ryze, Brand, and even Galio for this purpose but unfortunately I'm not good enough with them to go against Zed. I am utter garbage at all of them. I can sort of play Galio but whenever I play Zed against him I win and so I didn't pick him.

I don't know what else to do, I bought more mid lane picks, warned my team of why I shouldn't play my role, asked for a switch, was denied this and ultimately flamed at and reported. I'm starting to dislike League because most players are so toxic or so focused on themselves, they don't care about other's situation until it starts to affect them.

14 Comments

Sp33d Zer04 votes

You should really pick up some easier low mechanical champions that you can fall back on. Something like Malzahar or Annie. That way you don't have to worry about unfamiliar muscle memory as much and can focus on beating your mains.

OatheSworn1 votes

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You should really pick up some easier low mechanical champions that you can fall back on. Something like Malzahar or Annie. That way you don't have to worry about unfamiliar muscle memory as much and can focus on beating your mains.

I've tried Annie and I wouldn't say I'm bad but definitely not "average" (basically I'm bad). She's also pretty boring (my opinion, don't flame me Annie mains) compared to Zed and I typically don't play as well when I'm not having fun. It's like I can't focus and I constantly make simple mistakes. Never tried Malzahar but I have played against him many times. He is the most annoying champion in the game next to Lulu so I'm surprised he slipped my mind. I'll save up for him next. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Kei1431 votes

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I don't know what else to do

Broaden your game knowledge, and not your champion pool. Learn how to trade , abuse cooldowns, wave management., And roam timings.

If you can't win against your main, it means there is a long road of mastery for you.

OatheSworn1 votes

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Broaden your game knowledge, and not your champion pool. Learn how to trade , abuse cooldowns, wave management., And roam timings.

If you can't win against your main, it means there is a long road of mastery for you.

I think you missed the part where I said "the only champion I had left was Katarina who I could not play." I have next to no skill on Katarina and so it doesn't exactly matter if Zed is my main, I just can't play my champion.

Kei1431 votes

I did read your post carefully. I can pretty much win against zyra regardless of who I play. Even those whom I have pretty much no skill on.

I know her cool downs, I know her range, I know her damage , I know her positioning tricks, I know her power spikes, I know what to watch out for when I'm facing against her, I can tell if the player is a good zyra or not. I won't loose against a Zyra, because Zyra is my main.

If you can't fight against your main and win, then you don't know your main enough.

OatheSworn1 votes

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I did read your post carefully. I can pretty much win against zyra regardless of who I play. Even those whom I have pretty much no skill on.

I know her cool downs, I know her range, I know her damage , I know her positioning tricks, I know her power spikes, I know what to watch out for when I'm facing against her, I can tell if the player is a good zyra or not. I won't loose against a Zyra, because Zyra is my main.

If you can't fight against your main and win, then you don't know your main enough.

Yes, but Zyra and Zed are 2 completely different champions with different playstyles, different abilities, and different capabilities. You can't just group your understanding of Zyra to Zed's and expect it to be the same, it doesn't work like that. Can Zyra teleport to 3 different areas and still manage to kill a target? Do you honestly believe that just because you main someone, you cannot lose to that certain champion? That is half-baked logic and I sincerely hope you don't believe this. The only way a person can benefit from facing off against their main is being more aware of what they can and cannot do but it doesn't help much if you yourself cannot pull off your combos correctly or at the right time and place to take advantage of that.

P.S. I don't think I could have climbed to Platinum with the majority of my wins being with Zed if I "didn't know my main enough" so make sure you check a player's stats before making assumptions. I think that a 61% winrate on a champion in 225 games is good enough to be considered decent and would likely point towards that person knowing their main don't you think?

Kei1431 votes

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The only way a person can benefit from facing off against their main is being more aware of what they can and cannot do but it doesn't help much if you yourself cannot pull off your combos correctly or at the right time and place to take advantage of that.

Doesn't this say that you don't have enough mastery on zed?

If you were that good on zed, you would have known when and how to trade with him and when you should just back off. At least you'd know the mindset of most zed players based on how they play their trades, so you can predict their moves better.

If it was a matter of not having the skills to execute on what you wanted to do to win against your main, then you should stick with simpler champs so it's easier to punish against you main.

Just because you are plat with 61% we doesn't automatically make you a master of zed, you should be able to win decently easy against him if you knew him well enough.

OatheSworn1 votes

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Doesn't this say that you don't have enough mastery on zed?

If you were that good on zed, you would have known when and how to trade with him and when you should just back off. At least you'd know the mindset of most zed players based on how they play their trades, so you can predict their moves better.

If it was a matter of not having the skills to execute on what you wanted to do to win against your main, then you should stick with simpler champs so it's easier to punish against you main.

Just because you are plat with 61% we doesn't automatically make you a master of zed, you should be able to win decently easy against him if you knew him well enough.

See, you ignored the part where I said that I can't pull off my Katarina combos correctly. Meaning, even if there was a chance for me to kill him, because I can't efficiently position myself or my daggers and the fact that I am terrible with Katarina's combo and not fast enough, I would miss the opportunity. You also forgot where I said that I played safe all game, even at the cost of cs. I hugged tower, rushed Zhonyas, got boneskin as my rune, and didn't needlessly put myself in dangerous situations but as I stated, it wasn't enough. Once he got his ultimate he started giving me under tower and because my low cs, I got my Zhonyas at a much later time than normal.

I've also specifically said above that I have bought simple champions but even with them can't beat Zed either from my lack of understanding or skill. I'm currently saving up for Diana because in my opinion, she is the most difficult matchup against Zed. I have not ever stated that I am a "master at Zed," just said I consider myself decent or at least sufficient enough to reach Platinum with much of my success tied to him.

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

You might try playing someone you're more comfortable with mid. For example, if you have good games with MF bot, try bringing her mid. Or try things the other team won't be expecting, like AP Nasus mid. I tend to have great lanes with AP Nasus mid. I can't guarantee this method would work, but it's worth a shot. Also be prepared to get flamed often, because people expect you to be able to play every role perfectly in ranked. This is why some of my most amusing games were when I got stuck with jungle and went top support, huhuhu.

Lord of Math1 votes

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You might try playing someone you're more comfortable with mid. For example, if you have good games with MF bot, try bringing her mid. Or try things the other team won't be expecting, like AP Nasus mid. I tend to have great lanes with AP Nasus mid. I can't guarantee this method would work, but it's worth a shot. Also be prepared to get flamed often, because people expect you to be able to play every role perfectly in ranked. This is why some of my most amusing games were when I got stuck with jungle and went top support, huhuhu.

Darius mid

OatheSworn2 votes

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Darius mid

I'll keep this in mind thanks... . . . ...at the very back of my mind. [sg-lulu]

sleepysithlord1 votes

I mean, if you play a high mechanical champion in ranked that you know you are going to feed on...what exactly did you expect? You could of at least ran it down mid with mobis and had fun with it. Seriously though, your plan of getting low-mechanical back up champs is the right call. Something brain dead like malz should be fine

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

it doesnt matter what you do. people are going to rage at you a lot in this game. you will get used to it.

the only thing to do is try your best and have fun.

DrTeath1 votes

Against a mid Zed? Your other mid champs banned? Grab Nasus or Trundle and giggle at their frustration while you out sustain and farm them , and just slow junglers and walk away when they try to gank.

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