I believe my temp ban was unjustified and here's why

Ben Sharpio··17 votes·1,753 views

I got an email as to why i was banned and both of them don't actually make sense:

http://imgur.com/a/lha7a

I assume that the part that says that i "dont play [my] respective role in champion select" stems from the fact that i take smite in nearly all of my games based on the fact that ** i like to use the summoner spell over other summoner spells**. You can review my account again, i queue as mid and jungle all of the time, and if i'm given either roles i TAKE SMITE NO MATTER WHAT.

It is unfair for me to be punished based on how i play this game, because the summoner spells that i use should not dictate whether i am "trolling" or not.

You can see here that i WIN games even though i take smite mid lane

http://imgur.com/a/k4swa

http://imgur.com/Hrybcyg

http://imgur.com/llM6oRB

and you can see that i ALSO LOSE GAMES WHEN I TAKE SMITE MID LANE

http://imgur.com/2pERwdc

ect.

At the end of the day, i get to choose what summoner spells i want to use in a lane, and it should not be considered as troll behavior, and especially for it to be seen as "not taking your respective role in champ select" makes absolutely 0 sense.

I also believe that the person/robot reviewing my account identifies my play style as "trollish" as well. Sure Sion is known as tank, and i do play him tank sometimes, but i also like to play him full AD as well. I also like to play tank **AND FULL attack damage in the same game **. By that i mean sometimes i sell my tank items for split push items/full AD halfway through the game _ I generally only do this if my team is good enough on their own, or if the enemy team comp has a better team fight than us. _ **You can see, ONCE AGAIN, that I WIN GAMES BY DOING THIS STRATEGY, AND I ALSO LOSE GAMES BY DOING THIS STRATEGY. ** (see build path)

http://imgur.com/WmK8Bqc

http://imgur.com/eBlGRhP

Now, BEFORE you say "unban this saint of a child at once", there was a recent game i had where i was once again mid lane with smite. The person that reviewed my account linked this chat log:

http://imgur.com/OLsRVQ6

I honestly cant find the game that this was taken from. But i do remember it so i will tell you the story in TL;DR form

  • I was sion mid, asked for help with ganks, i kept dying to their jungler and was "feeding" at that point so i did what any reasonable person would do and began to farm the jungle. I feel like i'm being picked on specifically for the fact that i have smite, and it is seen as me not taking my respective role. If i had not had smite i feel like this chat log would be seen differently. When people are so far behind in their lane, it is a **FACT ** that they farm jungle because the lane is just unsafe to be in at a certain stage of the game. I am no different from the average mid laner that feeds and has to take jungle because they cannot farm in lane without being killed. In final, i also don't understand how i could be banned for not taking my respective role in champ select when i have evidence of playing sion mid when i get sion mid.

MOVING ON:

I was also given a punishment for wanting to open mid because we had an afk.

http://imgur.com/5xQA9Kp

The chat log that was linked:

http://imgur.com/SEmwkiW

I honestly feel like nothing i said was actually toxic, and i wasn't spamming "open mid" if you consider the time span between messages

I also feel that this situation was unfair based on the fact that i didn't AFK at fountain, but rather continued to play the game:

http://imgur.com/cNnpwr5

I continued to play the game to output the most damage on my team, tank the most damage on my team, and earn the most gold income, which means i was **actively participating in the game ** and still technically cooperating with my team by making plays and defending my base. Which is what you TRY do as a losing team.

In the end my playstyle is just significantly different than the average player and shouldn't be labelled as troll behavior based on the fact that i have a 54 percent win rate. I am not actively trolling in any of these games, and i seriously believe that this temp ban was unjustified.

17 Comments

CEO of Aspergers4 votes

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Ben Sharpio1 votes

I don't know man this post needs more visibility i think, but i hope so.

WoonStruck1 votes

Ahh, Druiddroid...the player I met at Youmacon in Detroit, had an affinity for Irelia, and was just as garbage as I was...

This was back in 2011.

I was really surprised that he was the one that created Proxy Singed in 2013ish. I also love that in his stream he stated he was garbage, just that this strategy allows him to bypass that, and that later he drastically improved because he was in games with Diamond players all the time. Still, everyone knew he could only proxy Singed, so he always got his role. xD

Bag o Cats2 votes

Are you sure that by "We have noticed many games where you don't play your respective role in champ select", they aren't referring to the role you're assigned by dynamic que?

Example: You pick support as one of your two roles to get into a game faster, but push it on someone else when you get it because you don't actually want to play support.

Ben Sharpio1 votes

I'm 100 percent sure it isn't based on that. If you ask any other jungle main they usually queue as jungle/mid because you get your desired role 90 percent of the time because there are a lot of mid lane mains. I don't queue as fill/support ever.

Backup4now1 votes

I can confirm this, I pick jung/mid because mid lane is so popular you're virtually guaranteed jungle.

Sarutobi2 votes

Either way you put it, claiming Open Mid usually means that you have giving up the game or at least your lane. So that basically means you went to a different lane, or farm jungle which means you were taking someone's roles for the duration of the game. Also the fact you just wrote that Warding contributes nothing makes it seem like this is a troll topic. Had you warded you wouldnt have been gank, or if you were you would have seen it coming thus not being able to die a lot of times.

Ben Sharpio2 votes

K youre obviously not understanding what i'm saying so i'll just wait on my support ticket.

SuperGlide2 votes

Taking jungle camps is not something "good players do" when they get behind. First of all anytime you die to a gank it's your fault. You either didn't ward. didn't use the ward(watch the map) or just had horrible positioning. The reason you don't take jungle farm is because without jungle items you don't get full xp for jungle monsters. Meaning that farming jungle camps as a laner will not actually keep you in the game. What it will do is possible put your jungle behind the enemy jungle though. There is a reason that in the LCS when a lane gets dumpstered the team basically abandons that player and spreads its resources over the other 4 members. If you get put way behind in a game the best thing you can do is take on a support mentality and try and help your team that way. Otherwise you are taking up team resources and putting other team members behind just so you can go even. Think of it like this would you rather have person A behind but person B ahead, or would you rather have person A equal and person B behind. Its better for your team if you go with the first scenario and don't steal farm to try and pull even. Also as per champ select rules your position you select is in contention with where you are aloud to farm. That means the jungle has the sole right to jungle farm and by juggling you are playing his role. In the end you seem like an out of control emotional roller coster and I think your ban is deserved.

Juggernaut6281 votes

Like all posts like this, assuming your honesty I agree you shouldn't have been banned for personally preferencing smite mid. Plenty of LCS players have taken smite mid and top (although not this season, shush) so it's not unheard of and I hope another Rioter analyzes your account and helps you with a fix.

Ben Sharpio1 votes

http://imgur.com/vnCLY7M

thats the whole email, not hiding anything.

the email itself has the 2 chatlogs i posted already, the other info is just "this is your last warning" stuff

Juggernaut6282 votes

Don't have to prove it to me, I only said that because people have a history of lying about why they got banned. Senpaii don't hurt me :(

Sarutobi1 votes

Things like this are hard to prove because the only evidence there could be is of the actual game. Just showing the end game results proves nothing in your statement. Also you even stated you were feeding and taking the jungle creeps, which i understand people do, But for all we know the jungler could have asked you to stop but you didnt. Put into account that your were probably getting gank a lot in Mid because you didnt ward enough, nor did you even bother to buy a Pink ward in any of the game matches you shown.

Even your chatlogs shown that you just give up too easily. Yes it sucks having an AFK but you can still try to play and win the game. If its that bad just surrender giving up by saying "Open Mid" is just wrong, you have that negative attitude as you assume the game is lost before even actually trying. You assume you cannot win with 1 person afk!

All in all it seems a tad bit crazy to assume you got ban just because you took an off meta summoner spell. By that logic Supports who dont take exhaust should get ban as well, yet ive seen my fair share of supports would take heal/ignite, or even Smite and yet nothing happens to them. It just seem like there is more to this story than you are giving us!

Ben Sharpio2 votes

I already posted the whole email here. It's actually strange that you think opening mid is a bad thing it has become a part of the league culture and happens more often than you think. Did you not even read/see the statistics that even though i wanted to open mid, i STILL had the most damage tanked/dealt and most gold income because i was still making plays/trying to take objectives? Look at the fact that the game ended in 17 minutes. Does that not say something? I'm basing this post off of what was given to me in the email, not the entirety of my account's existence. Sure i didn't buy a pink ward/ward enough, but that contributes nothing really. You lose lane, you take jungle farm like anyone else if you want to keep up. There isn't anything factually wrong with that, even if the jungler had asked to stop its just what people do in order to try and keep themselves in the game. And when i said i was feeding, i meant in the sense that i was dying a lot, not in the context of "i was int feeding and taking jungle creeps" which seems to be the way you are reading it.

Morality Coach2 votes

The problem with open mid is that it's not allowed unless all 5 summoners on your side agree. Someone wanted to play that game through and reported you.

Also the chat log you linked, it looks like you are punishing the jungler for not ganking your lane, rather than farming the jungle as to not get picked in a lane midgame.

What this looks like is a player that's reached his ELO (Plat 5), can't climb anymore and has become toxic as a result. You may be able to climb a little bit more if you give up toxicity, it does help.

Mukens XD1 votes

Man, not being toxic for 6 months (thats not getting banned restricted or anything) and doing this in 1 game and getting 9x reported because of a 4 man premade is great! Being harassed and im the problem. BEING BANNED FROM A BULLSHIT SYSTEM THAT LYTE CREATED THAT DOESNT WORK IS GREAT! You are right, i should listen to them. I HAVE THE ROPE!

#\ `---' / #KILL MYSELF #KILL MYSELF #KILL MYSELF #KILL MYSELF #KILL MYSELF

ModPrandine1 votes

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Man, not being toxic for 6 months (thats not getting banned restricted or anything) and doing this in 1 game and getting 9x reported because of a 4 man premade is great! Being harassed and im the problem. BEING BANNED FROM A BULLSHIT SYSTEM THAT LYTE CREATED THAT DOESNT WORK IS GREAT! You are right, i should listen to them. I HAVE THE ROPE!

#\ `---' / #KILL MYSELF #KILL MYSELF #KILL MYSELF #KILL MYSELF #KILL MYSELF

From Riot Tantram:

Actually, Erdrik is correct here.

A report flags a game for review. They do not establish guilt. The game is then reviewed for harassment, feeding, etc. This is why 'troll reporting' or 'gang reporting' do not work. False or inaccurate reports are thrown out.

You cannot ever be punished for saying nothing .. unless of course it's for something gameplay related like feeding, afking or cheating. But, you can never be punished for offensive language, hate speech or verbal abuse if you said nothing.

P.S. They started it is not a valid excuse. Retaliating=both players getting banned, simple as that. From Understanding the Tribunal:

4) That player in my game was far worse than me. Why am I banned??? a) I'll keep this one simple: retaliation isn't OK. Reacting to a toxic player by being toxic just incites that player to be even worse--it also ruins the game for up to 8 other players. It is far, far worse to watch two people yelling at each other all game than it is to watch 1 player ranting into blank space. Almost everyone in the game can find someone out there that behaves worse than they do--but so what? Finding someone worse doesn't justify your behavior or justify retaliation. We expect more out of our players. What players often don't realize is... those other players in your game that you thought were worse? Nearly 100% of the time, those players were banned even before you were. If someone is being toxic, just report them and move on. If you retaliate, both of you will be banned. It's really that simple.

Post your entire unedited Reform Card in a separate thread of its own if you wish to actually discuss your ban.

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