How is this enough for a permanent ban?

Dominish·Feb 11, 2019·1 votes·1,935 views

This is my chat log?

Game 1 In-Game Dominish: Why ban talon? Dominish: She's your mother Dominish: I'm your daddy Dominish: Next time, call me daddy Dominish: Karthus did I say your dumbass could leave mid? Dominish: You said the t word reported Dominish: this bot and jg... Dominish: tbh this jg is trash Dominish: wtf why did this jg and bot leave me? Dominish: i do the most damage i get the kills why would you leave? Dominish: im not toxic i asked you a question Dominish: sure but why dont you try playing seriously as well then Dominish: i dont want a loss cause of you 2 Dominish: whats eve doing shes ulting spirits and stuff Dominish: and this cait what;s she doing too? Dominish: you can tell shes not trying Dominish: shes only placed 3 wars Dominish: wards* Dominish: if you dont have the ability to do two things at once why do it? Dominish: eve dont tell me to do something else just so you can screw yourself up Dominish: you dont have that right Dominish: how bout you just dont play games requiring teams Dominish: im not forcing you to Dominish: is eve high or drunk? Dominish: naut you're her friend do you know? Dominish: I didnt say anything toxic Dominish: I just questioned their actions Dominish: And they got mad Dominish: I never called them any words Dominish: Didn't swear or insult Dominish: Wait, so first you say we both are, and now you are saying my duo friend is? Dominish: I didnt talk garbade I asked questions to your actions Dominish: I think I have the right considering this is a team game Dominish: Its not my fault you got mad about me questioning you and you being unable to respond Dominish: Who? Dominish: Squirm how? Dominish: Maybe I am tilted, but its not like i insulted him Dominish: Bro, Naut you have been far more toxic then I have Dominish: I didn't even insult you, yet you just did Dominish: You never say anything straight you either change your claim Dominish: Its hypocritical Dominish: This naut gets mad at me for being toxic before proceeding to insult me Post-Game Dominish: already reported you Dominish: I want to see you report me when I didnt insult you Dominish: Tell me what I insulted you on? Dominish: All I did was ask you questions Dominish: And he leaves Dominish: Nice Dominish: He said I am toxic when I didnt insult him Dominish: THen he insults me Dominish: I like it

Asie from the beginning of the chat which should've been obvious joking between me and the enemy team and the ban which I assumed was due to nautilus, how was I toxic? i questioned my teams actions but I didn't insult them. Explain it to me? I questioned them something I feel like I had the right to do but there were maybe one or 2 sentences I said that could be considered toxic, yet you went and permanant banned me. This is not NEARLY enough for perma bans. Especially considering i have sent many reports on toxic players which the feedback system said nothing about any sort of penalties on them. Yet because of this you permanantly ban? PLease explain.

32 Comments

Jo0oFeb 11, 20196 votes

Well, your two-week ban looks like it ended about three weeks ago, at which point you'd have been warned against further bad behavior at the risk of a perma. Your account was on its final warning, so any breach of conduct would result in a perma.

You're quick to claim that you weren't insulting, but you're just arguing pedantics at this point. Fact is, you put your teammates on blast the entire game, keeping a constant argument going and making sure that you made as many people upset as you were capable of. That's classic, textbook toxicity, and I can't fathom engaging in such behavior when you knew how thin the ice was that you were on.

DominishFeb 11, 20191 votes

So because I was on thin ice I have no right to argue? I wasn't insulting? I was questioning my teammate. As someone trying to win do i not have the right? Do I have to play along for everything? On what basis did the other guy not get penalty. On what basis does this level of toxicity get punished yet worse gets nothing? Its not equal penalties so how it valid? Arguing pendantics? Can't I? Is there a rule that says I can't argue? On what basis are you saying I was the one who made a blast on the entire teammates when I was supporting the argument of another teammate?

Jo0oFeb 11, 20194 votes

You have the right to mute them, report them, and move on with your life. Arguing constantly with your team ruins team cohesion and is toxic behavior, and you were wrong to do so. It's really that simple.

HotarµFeb 11, 20195 votes

As you rise through the punishment ladder (10 game chat restriction > 25 game chat restriction > 14 day gameplay ban > permanent ban) your account is placed on thinner and thinner ice each time. It takes consistent positive actions to restore your account's standing, also meaning that any negative action can push your account into the next tier.

Dominish: Karthus did I say your dumbass could leave mid? Dominish: tbh this jg is trash Dominish: if you dont have the ability to do two things at once why do it? Dominish: eve dont tell me to do something else just so you can screw yourself up

None of your language is acceptable throughout this match. You're constantly going back and forth with your teammates, ultimately taking your focus off of the game and not being constructive.

When you just got off a 14 day ban, this type of behavior will push you to the next punishment tier.

DominishFeb 11, 20191 votes

I got a 14 day out of nowhere without any restrictions prior that I remember for a long while.

HotarµFeb 11, 20193 votes

You receive an instant 14-day ban for using zero-tolerance phrases (otherwise known as hate speech such as racism, homophobia, inciting self harm, etc.) and intentionally feeding.

If you didn't do one of those but got a 14-day ban on your first offense, file a support ticket. If you did one of those things, don't bother.

MrFawknSunshineFeb 11, 20192 votes

14 day out of no where typically from hate speech /zero tolerance infractions

DominishFeb 11, 20191 votes

If riot can unban tyler1 for much worse, then how come this not okay? They have wishy-washy standards with no clear criteria many people can confirm that don't deal out equal punishments and some people get out of something scot-free. Is this okay? Are they allowed to discriminate? Isn't this grounds to sue?

HotarµFeb 11, 20194 votes

Tyler1 wasn't unbanned, he had his ID ban lifted, meaning he's free to play the game again so long as he makes a new account. His banned accounts were not unbanned.

Also, you're not allowed to sue for anything surrounding punishments because of the TOS we agreed to when we signed up to play League.

DominishFeb 11, 20192 votes

Okay but this just doesn't change the fact that they are dishing out unequal punishments. They decide its okay to let people randomly go? No. If you want rules, they need to apply to everyone. I have reported many people for being toxic. Yet none of them get banned. Do you think this helps people reform? Is that what riot thinks? Do you think players feel good and try their best when they see themselves getting punished but no one else getting punished? When riot won't try to help the players reform aside from straight up punishing them, how can they expect them to reform and see change in the community?

Jo0oFeb 11, 20193 votes

They dish out equal punishments. You just aren't a Riot employee and therefore don't have access to see the results of your reports. Doesn't mean they don't work.

DominishFeb 11, 20191 votes

When Riot penalizes a player they send a report to you saying your report got someone penalized. So yes you do know they don't dish out equal punishments. And before I got my 14 day ban I know people reported me when I was toxic and until I said a zero-tolerance phrase I wasn't ever punished. I know they don't dish out equal punishments for a fact. Many players do. They have an ambiguous system you only figure out after getting perma banned.

Jo0oFeb 11, 20194 votes

Sorry, but that's not true. You can find plenty of official statements clearly indicating that feedback is very rare and not guaranteed when your reports trigger a punishment.

Riot could certainly do a better job of providing transparency to the report system, which I've detailed in a recent thread on these boards. But that doesn't apply to you: You engaged in zero-tolerance behavior, which you shouldn't have needed any warning against, and then ignored the warning against further toxic behavior.

HotarµFeb 11, 20194 votes

Okay but this just doesn't change the fact that they are dishing out unequal punishments. They decide its okay to let people randomly go? No. If you want rules, they need to apply to everyone.

And they do. Tyler1 was banned the same way you were. He broke the rules and was punished. The only reason he was un-ID-banned is because he reformed and stopped the behavior he was exhibiting before. ID-bans are also different from account bans, neither you or Tyler1 will receive their accounts back.

I have reported many people for being toxic. Yet none of them get banned. Do you think this helps people reform? Is that what riot thinks? Do you think players feel good and try their best when they see themselves getting punished but no one else getting punished?

IFS messages are inconsistent. You, me, and every other player in the game has absolutely no way of knowing who does or doesn't get punished. Don't dwell on it so much.

Normal, positive players don't get punished for no reason. You got punished for toxicity (evident by your chat logs), don't try to separate yourself from people who break rules.

When riot won't try to help the players reform aside from straight up punishing them, how can they expect them to reform and see change in the community?

Why does Riot have to monitor your behavior? At what point do you take responsibility for your actions?

Nobody forced you to call your Karthus a dumbass, nobody forced you to go back and forth with your teammates all game, nobody forced you to even use the chat. Self control goes a long way.

Sorry, but there's nobody to blame here but yourself. There's only so much that Riot is responsible for.

DominishFeb 11, 20191 votes

Maybe, but from what you say, there's nothing stopping anyone who was perma banned to create a new account continue to be toxic as long as this person never incurs a 14 day ban by using zero-tolerance phrases and they are free. Because until I got a 14 day ban, this was the case for me when knowing for a FACT I was reported. So I guess thanks Riot for the message you are trying to send? Basically know your limits and you're good right? Thats what they are telling us with this system.

HotarµFeb 11, 20192 votes

If you break the rules, you get punished.

It's that simple.

Yes, you can make multiple accounts. Yes, you can do whatever you want on those accounts until you get punished. This goes for every game or service in existence, _it's not limited just to Riot. _

Take responsibility for your actions, stop looking for a way to blame the system. Good luck.

DominishFeb 11, 20191 votes

Don't worry I will, I promise not to be toxic anymore. But before that I want a clear picture of the system before I let this matter go. You still haven't been able to clearly deny that as long as you don't do extreme toxic things you have a high chance of getting away with being toxic. Not getting a 14 day ban and you will never get perma-banned. So just don't get a 14 day ban through zero-tolerance phrases and keep limits to toxicity and you can consistently be toxic. These few things is what I have managed to ascertain from your comments, my previous time as a league player before my 14 day ban. I have been PRETTY toxic before but until I used a zero tolerance phrase I don't think I was ever really punished for maybe years.

HotarµFeb 11, 20194 votes

I'm going to debunk everything you're saying by just redirecting you to the Player Behavior boards.

There are countless cases of people getting permanently banned for repeatedly using negative language.
Here's a post of someone who just got banned for intentionally feeding.
Here's one of someone getting banned for AFKing.
And another for someone using zero-tolerance language.

I have been PRETTY toxic before but until I used a zero tolerance phrase I don't think I was ever really punished for maybe years.

Yeah, probably not enough to trigger a punishment. Either that or people weren't reporting you, in either case you got the punishment and the end result is the same.

Good luck.

Jo0oFeb 11, 20191 votes

Tyler1 hasn't had a single account unbanned. You have exactly the same rights as he does now: You may make a new account.

XidphelFeb 11, 20191 votes

HE DIDN'T GET ANY OF HIS ACCOUNTS UNBANNED! THEY'RE STILL GONE! HE SIMPLY GOT HIS ID BAN REVOKED MEANING HE WON'T BE BANNED ON SIGHT!

AAAAARGH!

MrFawknSunshineFeb 11, 20193 votes

so im gonna guess you just came off a 14 day ban?

if so then your next punishment is typically always a perma banned

DominishFeb 11, 20191 votes

I came off 14 day ban at the end of December maybe, but in most cases this amount of toxicity is not enough for a warning or chat restriction or anything like that. Yet they just decide to ban me for this? That's too much considering many other players who I reported for much worse get no type of punishment. How is this fair? This is just discrimination. I didn't really even insult too much I questioned everything the other players did, and I feel as a team member doing that is something I have a right to. If I want to win can't I question their actions in the hopes they'll do something different? And did the other person who I was talking to who did heavily insult me get ANY sort of ban? Based on what are they dealing any sort of punishment for this one? Because the guy on my team asked the enemy team to report me and I didn't tell them to report him instead? Their system of penalties is biased and full of discrimination because it doesn't allow for equal penalties. Some people get no punishment for worse yet I got a perma ban. This leap is too much.

MrFawknSunshineFeb 11, 20191 votes

on its own maybe its not worth a chat restriction but the fact is you had a 14 day ban and didnt change /reformed it takes months /100s of games with no infractions to get out of the limbo of being perma banned after that 14 day ban.

you have no one to blame but yourself

DominishFeb 11, 20191 votes

I tried to change, but I argued with someone? Is arguing not allowed as well? Am I not allowed to question someone? The rules say you can't question other teammates and argue their actions either? Then whats the point of team games and team chat? Who decided a system like this?

MrFawknSunshineFeb 11, 20191 votes

not after you are already flagged as a toxic player, hence the 14 day ban.

what is the point of arguing and flaming ? that just creates a toxic environment in the game .

toxic = punishable after a 14 ban the next punishment is perma

DominishFeb 11, 20191 votes

The point most players see in it is because they feel they get punished and none others do for doing the same thing and riot expects people to reform. Yet others as long as certain key words aren't expressed they can always get away because of the instant feedback system. Yet players think its okay to be at that level where players don't get banned but those punishments apply to them. So for example I create a new account and as long as I avoid certain zero-tolerance phrases and I am toxic I am almost guaranteed to get away with it every single time with the very rare occurence that I don't. But if I get punished for zero-tolerance phrases only then do the punishments that don't apply to other players come into affect on me. For example arguing is enough to get me perma banned as can be seen from the chat.

MrFawknSunshineFeb 11, 20191 votes

its not the fact that you argued its the fact that you just had a 14 day ban

what about this escalation do you not get?

whats the point of using chat if all you want to do is flame, argue and harass others?

Jo0oFeb 11, 20191 votes

Not exactly.

The system has a shitload of leniency built into it, you can get away with plenty of low-key toxicity before your first 10-game chat restriction. Your log above wouldn't get you a chat restriction on a clean account by itself, but if you made a habit of such logs, you'd eventually get restricted. And of course, as you've seen, having reached the 14-day ban tier means any misbehavior at all and your account gets roasted.

DominishFeb 11, 20191 votes

I am aware. I know I was toxic all the time, and I never got punished until I said a zero-tolerance phrases which i regret and never repeated. That's the only reason I was watched. Trust me, lots of players can confirm this.

MagicFlyingLlamaFeb 11, 20191 votes

Because you ignored all previous warnings and punishments, giving proof you are incapable of comprehending you are doing anything wrong or fixing your behavior.

DominishFeb 11, 20191 votes

No I have been trying to fix myself. I have been attempting to lower the amount of times I am toxic and ignore people. HOwever when I get really mad I lash out but to a low level of toxicity at the point which riot almost 100% lets players get away with it.