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The Candylandman··1 votes·1,081 views

Can we get a clarification on what is considered toxic in this game? It seems people can report for anything now a days because they "Pretend" to be offended.

If hate speech/racist slurs are considered toxic then please only punish those people, stop punishing people for simply speaking the truth. Prime example...

On my other account. our team has 10 kills theirs have 43, we have 2 afks and lost a majority of our turrets. I say " Please ff, this game is over" , next thing I read is report him for being toxic. 2 minutes later I get a report, I logg off and back on I am now chat restricted because of saying that, that is litterally the only thing in game that could even be remotely considered toxic.

Another game we had a lee sin on our team, he got ganked in jungle and I said "how did lee not see that coming? oh ya he is blind".. Apparently he didn't get the joke and went off on a rant thus asking the enemy team to report me which they were glad to do .

So please clarify what you mean when being toxic, if you mean anything you say can be considered toxic based on peoples opinions then that logic is very flawed and needs to be changed asap. I shouldn't have to worry about spending money on a game and losing my account because some people can't take a joke or some people find everything offensive. That's the direction our society is headed in today and it's laughable at best.. don't make your game follow suit with it.

As it is right now I just mute everyone now and don't even talk for fear someone is gonna get offended by anything I say.. A game especially a team oriented game should not have that sort of limitations on it.

20 Comments

Deep Terror Nami10 votes

Could you post your reform card?

Daen4 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Candylandman,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KVAJvaoI,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-12-30T17:47:02.890+0000)

So you're an asshole? cause only a keyboard warrior asshole would make a statement like that.

I wouldn't expect a section 8 GED idiot to understand logic though.

[{quoted}](name=The Candylandman,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KVAJvaoI,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-12-30T17:48:05.482+0000)

If Riot asks I will, I don't give two shits about your opinion, your not RIot you are a no body.

If these sorts of comment constitute normal everyday interaction for you, I'm not sure any level of explanation of what's toxic or not will really help.

The Candylandman1 votes

Not gonna get a reply anyways , i'm ranting which i'm allowed to do so

Pentch3 votes

Riot doesn't need to waste their time explaining what toxic means to assholes.

The Candylandman1 votes

So you're an asshole? cause only a keyboard warrior asshole would make a statement like that. If they want my money they better if not then my money goes else were and there are thousands of people who feel the same way which = millions of dollars. I wouldn't expect a section 8 GED idiot to understand logic though.

Go to Heck1 votes

Yeah because of banning people then will lose some money. But it doesn't scratch the surface of what they make. When they ban people they make a better community. If there's a better community more people will play. Then vuala, more money because those new players are buying skins and champs with rp. And if this is how you communicated during games with people, your very well deserved a ban.

Tract1 votes

Please post your reform card with your logs on it.

The Candylandman1 votes

If Riot asks I will, I don't give two shits about your opinion, your not RIot you are a no body.

Tract1 votes

Of course, I am just a player, however your going about this very wrong. First, from your attitude, especially the "I don't give two s**** about your opinion", your making it very clear you where quite toxic without even needing to post logs. Second, there is no chance Riot will be asking you to post them, almost no chance. Also, by not posting them, you make it very clear you have something to hide. Finally, you ask what is clarified as toxic? Well if you actually posted your logs, we could easily tell you specifically which things you said where toxic. Riot wont be asking you for them, either you post them and we can help you, or you don't and achieve nothing at all.

Not much of an "opinion"

PlsTouchMeGently1 votes

Yus pls post reform card; we are waiting with bated breath.
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The Candylandman1 votes

If Riot asks I will, I don't give two shits about your opinion, your not RIot you are a no body.

PlsTouchMeGently1 votes

Just like youuuuuuu :-D

AJStarhiker1 votes

We ask, because Riot's system is based on player opinions, using report patterns and Tribunal votes from when it was still active.

Although, based on your responses here, I'm pretty sure a Tribunal case would have been a "Punish" vote.

The Candylandman1 votes

Tribunal is down, player opinions are irrelevant.

TrulyBland1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Candylandman,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=KVAJvaoI,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-12-31T12:35:38.780+0000)

Tribunal is down, player opinions are irrelevant.

Players report when they see something inacceptable. Players abstain from reporting when they see something acceptable. And, as the person you replied to pointed out: The current system also is strongly built on how players voted in Tribunal when it still existed and even a few surveys Riot made with random players. Besides, the entire purpose of the system is also to maximize the average player's happiness in order to maximize Riot's profits.

You say player opinions are irrelevant... then if you don't mind me asking: What is relevant?

The Candylandman1 votes

The report system is based off an auto mated system to look for certain words and sentences and account for the number of reports to punish someone. It doesn't show why you said what you did, it's count for if it is a joke and it doesn't account for someone taking something the wrong way.

Prime example.. I say "fuck I messed up I'm a noob" the system with see the words "fuck & noob" and assume I am being toxic to someone, then if someone reports me later in the game for something stupid I'm going to get punished for those words in that sentence.

That is a irresponsible lazy ass system. When I said player's opinions are irrelevant I mean on forums, you guys can't judge me or punish me or even request Riot to punish my account based on what I said or did on forums. The forums are simply for ranting and posting your opinions, it's ultimately up to Riot how they deal with it not the player.

I asked a Simple question for Riot to answer and now people are trying to look for reasons to argue and that is what this community is all about, looking for or starting drama and arguements. I read through forums every day and 99% of the time players are trolling comments and starting arguements rather then trying to help or have a real discussion on the matter.

That's why i'm not taking anything anyone says seriously on this thread because it was for Riot not players opinions.. People asking for my reform card as if they are staff and can do anything about it is pointless it has nothing to do with my question at hand to Riot. So ya everyone who asked that question is just baiting and eager for an argument, so why should I give two crap about their opinions , it doesn't matter.

I'll await your reply of how you "think i'm wrong and you are 100% right without even considering what i just said as truth" then I will ignore this thread and wait for a message from Riot saying someone was offended and the thread was deleted.. Trust me i know exactly how it works here.

Trolls get defended by riot and people who defend themself get the ban hammer or their posts deleted.

TrulyBland1 votes

Just that there's not a single example of somebody receiving any punishment for saying something like that. That's why people ask for reform cards. Not because they're staff, not because they can change anything about it, but because they simply don't believe you and they would like to see proof.

As it stands, the lack of any examples that would support your idea of how the system works strongly implies that you are wrong about it. Does that mean you're wrong? No. But it means that until you actually back your argument up with more than just assumptions I choose not to believe what you say.

The Candylandman1 votes

Not a single example? You know how many people get suspended/banned on a daily basis of reform cards you don't see? Go look at the old Tribunal, you will find plenty of examples of people who got punished for shit they shouldn't have simply because some player took something the wrong way or was over sensitive about it.

My friend used to go on tribunal and just randomly vote to punish people cause he thought it was funny... is that the kinda system we should praise? So now we have no tribunal, they have an automated system that does the job for them.. great so as if people haven't had enough trouble with automated shit in real life now we have to deal with it in a game..

Your account lies soloely based on how many reports you get, eventually you are going to offended people enough rather that was your intent or not and will get punished and you will see exactly what everyone else has been bitching about for years.

Riot does not look at every report, there is no way they could maunally keep up with thousands and millions of reports each day with the staff they have, that's why they have an automated system. The problem with that is there is no accountability for punishing people.

There is nothing in the automated system to fairly judge anyone based on each report...

Why did I afk? Power went out.. Oh well punished anyways Why was I Toxic? I wasn't i simply told someone a good way to build and they got mad and reported me

Things like that the automated system does not account for. Now it's gotten to the point people mute everyone at start or change their language so boxes show up or even disable chat in game.cfg so they won't risk offending someone that could get them banned... Great so now I got people i can't communicate with on my team cause of that to win it. Sure I can use pings but thats if they look at map, but I can't tell my team to split push with pings, I can't tell them they should build this to win..

The system is fucked. Thank God at least for now Real life punishments aren't automated and handed out and dealt like this in real life, there would be a fucking riot.. Yet for some reason here it is praised.. go figure.

TrulyBland1 votes

All I see are assumptions and claims stated as facts. You say there are examples: Then show me examples.

*sigh* Let's take a look at each of your claims.

Go look at the old Tribunal, you will find plenty of examples of people who got punished for shit they shouldn't have simply because some player took something the wrong way or was over sensitive about it.

My friend used to go on tribunal and just randomly vote to punish people cause he thought it was funny... is that the kinda system we should praise? So now we have no tribunal, they have an automated system that does the job for them.. great so as if people haven't had enough trouble with automated shit in real life now we have to deal with it in a game..

Tribunal... Tribunal was an entirely different system. Most non-reverted punishs with a very tame (or even completely innocent) reform card were based on other games that were not even visible. A lot of punishs of that sort even only were punishs, because Riot (seeing more than the Tribunal-users) manually reviewed the case and decided to override the vote and punish. The thing is, since you needed so many (accurate!) reports to even get into Tribunal, most people that made a case there were actually guilty enough to the extent where they deserved punishment. Your friend? Had no impact. Spamming punish makes your vote worth nothing. Literally.

Your account lies soloely based on how many reports you get, eventually you are going to offended people enough rather that was your intent or not and will get punished and you will see exactly what everyone else has been bitching about for years.

As I said... you only claim things as if they were facts. This right there? Bullshit. Simple as that. Just take a look back at Tribunal. 95% Punishes. Less than 1% undeserved punishes. Ninety-fucking-five percent accuracy before even a single person looked at anything You can't achieve that without a really good report filter. The funny thing is, Riot probably could have even gotten a higher accuracy... but to detect people that spam punish you need a tangibe amount of pardons.

Riot does not look at every report, there is no way they could maunally keep up with thousands and millions of reports each day with the staff they have, that's why they have an automated system. The problem with that is there is no accountability for punishing people.

The one thing in here that is not just a blind claim but that you logically concluded. Also vastly irrelevant and closes with something that is also completely wrong. Riot can be held accountable. Maybe not legally, but when you start banning all your customers and people stop giving you money, I'd consider that being held accountable.

There is nothing in the automated system to fairly judge anyone based on each report...

Not quite sure what that sentence is supposed to mean. But you'd be surprised at what machine learning can do. The system is also not fully automated. The idea about machine learning is feeding the system more and more manual decisions; so there'll still be plenty of manual reviews. Plus, again, take a look at Tribunal's pre-vote accuracy of 95%.

Why did I afk? Power went out.. Oh well punished anyways

Yes. Because you still afk'd. Often enough to be detected as such. If you're that unreliable a teammate, you're screwing over your team and deserve a punishment to remind you of that. This also doesn't even have anything to do with reports and is an entirely different system.

Why was I Toxic? I wasn't i simply told someone a good way to build and they got mad and reported me

Again, people don't get banned for stuff like this. If you claim otherwise: Show me examples of it actually happening

Now it's gotten to the point people mute everyone at start or change their language so boxes show up or even disable chat in game.cfg so they won't risk offending someone that could get them banned...

Yes... half of those are people that simple can't grasp the concept of not being a dick to other people (in which case not talking at all is probably a good idea, to be honest), and the other half are people like you, that just believe what they want to believe and spread it around like facts. Just to make this clear: People like you are the reason why people are this paranoid about the system. So don't complain about the system here. You want people to stop being this paranoid? Then stop spreading misinformation. Or alternatively, because it hasn't been said enough yet: Back up your claims.

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